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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 25 22:46:05 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 18:07:37 2017. Hoboken Terminal opened in 1907, Penn Station NY in 1910. A lot of people didn't think the PRR would be able to construct the tunnel that brought trains into Penn Station from the west, but of course they did manage it. But it was considered an amazing feat of engineering, which only a company with the resources of the PRR could have accomplished. Law or no law, I strongly doubt that the DL&W could have done it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 22:54:46 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Mar 25 22:46:05 2017. It was due to the law that they weren't permitted to do it. Still and all, there were several plans for rail bridges across the Hudson over the years, including one from Hoboken that the PRR was supposed to share with the other railroads (this was supposed to be in spite of the law in question). Also, there was this interesting idea dating from 1893, which would have joined the CNJ/B&O/RDG with the LIRR's Atlantic Avenue line and gotten around the law by not actually being in Manhattan per se.Before the H&M, the only rail crossing over the Hudson was the Poughkeepsie Bridge, and all of the trains running from Washington DC to Boston used that before the PRR/LIRR tunnels and Hell Gate crossing. Even the Delaware River had (and has) more rail crossings than the Hudson, in its lower tidal sections. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:18:36 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 22:54:46 2017. There's precious few rail crossings of the Hudson; we have:Hudson Tubes (PATH) More Hudson Tubes (PATH) North River Tunnels (Amtrak/NJT) -120 miles of nothing- Alfred H Smith (CSX) Bridge Livingston Ave (Amtrak) Bridge Pan Am Bridge -all of the above are 2 track, the below are 1 track- Canadian Pacific Bridge (the Adirondack uses it) Saratoga and North Creek bridge The only two I have not crossed are the Alfred H Smith and Saratoga North Creek bridge - hopefully SNCRR is still around this summer so I can get that one. I'm sure an Amtrak reroute or fantrip will eventually snag the AHS bridge, possibly during the Livingston ave bridge work. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 23:30:03 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:18:36 2017. There are also remarkably few road crossings over and under the Hudson. All traffic still has to squeeze into the Holland, Lincoln (with no Mid-Manhattan Expressway to help) or GWB, and the TZB is far enough outside the NYC city limits to not be viable for people traveling from NJ to Long Island. There were more ferries than bridges or tunnels, in the past; and no car ferries these days. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:57:41 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 23:30:03 2017. One of the reasons I wouldn't live on Long Island if I move back downstate is because of the isolation; you cannot reasonably reach the mainland without paying massive tolls.For the road crossings, we have: Holland Tunnel (4 lanes) Lincoln Tunnel (6 lanes) GW Bridge (14 lanes) -- end NYC limits Tappan Zee Bridge (7 lanes) Bear Mountain Bridge (2 lanes) Newburgh-Beacon Bridge (5.5 lanes) Kingstone Rhinecliff (2 lanes) Rip Van Winkle (2 lanes) -- begin Albany County -- Castleton Bridge / Berkshire Connector (4 lanes, 65 MPH) Dunn Memorial Bridge (8 lanes that merge into 4 mid-bridge due to cancelled connection) Patroon Island Bridge (6 lanes) Troy-Menands Bridge (4 lanes) Congress St Bridge (4 lanes) Green Island Bridge (4 lanes) Collar City Bridge (8 lanes) 112 st Bridge (2 lanes) --end Albany County, Begin Saratoga County -- Troy-Waterford bridge and all bridges beyond - 2 lanes The funny thing about this list: despite similar geographical distance, there's over twice as many lanes just connecting Albany and Rensselaer counties as there is connecting NYC to NJ. And, twice as many standard railroad tracks (even after the loss of the dedicated passenger bridge to Albany Union Station). |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:07 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 22:54:46 2017. It was due to the law that they weren't permitted to do it.What law? Penn Station and Grand Central kind of disprove the idea that any laws forbid railroads in Manhattan. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:09 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 25 18:07:37 2017. Bullshit. PRR did it. H&M did it. NYC did it. NYNY&H did it. Obviously, there wasn't any law forbidding railroads in Manhattan. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 02:52:31 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:57:41 2017. there's over twice as many lanes just connecting Albany and Rensselaer counties as there is connecting NYC to NJ.Because the Hudson is a much less consequential river that far north. And for all practical purposes, the Verrazano is a bridge over the Hudson. Troy-Waterford bridge and all bridges beyond - 2 lanes I-87 is 6 lanes and with 2 additional non-driving lanes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 02:58:20 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 02:52:31 2017. the Hudson is a much less consequential river that far northThat does not preclude building more crossings further south, whether over or under. And for all practical purposes, the Verrazano is a bridge over the Hudson Nope. Hudson River ends at New York Harbor. Might as well call the Bayonne Bridge a Hudson River crossing by that definition. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 03:01:45 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:57:41 2017. you cannot reasonably reach the mainland without paying massive tollsQuite a few people do. The traffic on the 3rd Ave Bridge and from the southbound FDR Drive to the 59th Street Bridge is jammed for large portions of the day with people intent on getting from Westchester to the Island of Long* without paying a penny in tolls. (It happens in the other direction too, of course, but is less obviously visible.) * That is, the whole island, including Queens and Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 03:04:52 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 02:58:20 2017. Might as well call the Bayonne Bridge a Hudson River crossing by that definition.No, because topographically, though obviously not legally, Staten Island is a part of New Jersey. If it weren't that Kill van Kull and Arthur Kill need to be navigable by very large ships, the bridges over them would not need to be such major affairs. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 03:16:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:07 2017. have to admit, never saw any references to any such law. and i would suggest that such a law would be as well known (to those who care about such things) as brooklyn banning steam engines is. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 03:52:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 02:14:09 2017. *that should say NYNH&H instead of NYNY&H. I blame the fact that I'm posting at this hour. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Mar 26 07:54:40 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 25 23:57:41 2017. There's also the Mid-Hudson Bridge at Poughkeepsie (3 lanes). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 11:02:44 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 03:16:04 2017. This page refers to the Board of Aldermen banning operation of steam locomotives south of 32nd Street in 1832.This article refers to steam locomotives being banned south of 42nd Street, by the Common Council; the year is not specified, but it says "after the Civil War". (What if GCT was built at the Battery?) The Kaufman Act would ban all steam locomotive operation within NYC proper. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 11:08:47 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 11:02:44 2017. Those laws ban steam locomotives, not railroads.As such, your claim of railroads being banned from entering Manhattan is just as bullshit as everything else you post. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 11:17:45 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 26 02:52:31 2017. I forgot about the Northway bridge (though I did not include non-driving lanes for any others).That said, the CSX bridge and Berkshire connector bridge are tall enough to handle the tallest ships that sail anywhere on the Hudson. Though if the same were built in the NYC area, it might be impossible to get to the ground in Manhattan from them :). For railroads though we could have something like the Victoria Bridge in Montreal; two adjacent 2 track lift or swing bridges. When a ship needs to cross, one pair of tracks will be out of commission while the ship enters a waiting area between the two. The first bridge goes down, and the second goes up, and the ship continues. Trains can be routed to whichever bridge is down. It is important not to count on there ever being 4 tracks available, so the rail line leading to the bridge should only have 2. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Mar 26 18:19:47 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 11:17:45 2017. I don't know the CSX bridge, but the Castleton Bridge (Berkshire Connector) is 135 ft clearance. That is certainly high enough for anything that far North, but not anywhere on the Hudson. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 26 18:42:36 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 11:17:45 2017. For railroads though we could have something like the Victoria Bridge in Montreal; two adjacent 2 track lift or swing bridges.Considering that NY is a major port and a lot of traffic went up the Hudson, would that have been feasible? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 26 18:49:57 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Mar 24 13:39:50 2017. Why wouldn't it increase capacity during the weekdays? Are the 2 tunnels not at capacity during rush hours? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 18:52:27 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 26 18:49:57 2017. I think the problem is that both the tunnels and the station are at capacity during rush hour.Adding capacity to the tunnels doesn't help if the additional trains have nowhere to go. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:41:07 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 18:52:27 2017. Someone here once posted a nice idea for a 5th ave commuter RR tunnel. It would combine NJT and MNRR/LIRR trains from GCT and send them south to lower Manhattan, with a stop at 14st along the way. By adding stops and spreading out the people, NYP can suddenly handle more trains while simultaneously having less people milling about.Of course NY completely lacks vision, things cost way too much to build, and the project would be seen as benefiting NJ, so it would never be built. Still, it's a nice what-if. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 21:32:37 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:41:07 2017. Again, maintenance is magically left out.If the LIRR found it viable to continue to run into certain NYC subway lines after NYP opened, they would have done so. But certain factors were in the way of that. There are advantages and disadvantages that would be connected with riding the IND from, let's say, 207th Street to Hempstead, average speed high on the list, and need for perhaps three doors per side another one on there. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Mar 26 21:58:07 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:41:07 2017. "Of course NY completely lacks vision, things cost way too much to build, and the project would be seen as benefiting NJ, so it would never be built. Still, it's a nice what-if."You are forgetting the basic "compact" made among the various rail services made a very long time ago. Basically "within city transit" would concern itself with distributing folks about the city, while "between city/town railroads" would concentrate on moving folks between large cities/suburbs/towns, etc. Where each type of service does what is does best. Mike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 22:13:07 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Michael549 on Sun Mar 26 21:58:07 2017. Was that a compact among private concerns, or was that forced on them by city government? History seems to indicate the latter. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 22:44:27 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 11:02:44 2017. interesting. related to this, there's a new book out called city on a grid that details the formation of the manhattan streets. haven't read it yet but sounds like a goody. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 22:53:09 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:41:07 2017. the lack of vision is sad. i'd be happy with a lirr station at park avenue. and hows about reopening the park avenue local stations between g c.t. and 125th? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 23:03:41 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 21:32:37 2017. wow. reminds me of the rosedale (lirr) "super subway". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 23:34:43 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Sun Mar 26 23:03:41 2017. Well, the MP41s were built to allow the LIRR to run into the IRT from the Atlantic Avenue line. Same dimensions, at 51 feet long by 8' 6¾" wide. Not unlike the operations of the North Shore Line in Chicago; the LIRR would have been somewhat "interurban" in nature should that operation have continued. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 00:31:55 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 26 23:34:43 2017. should have let that happen. with the lirr train making only three or four stops once it enters subway trackage. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 27 04:32:41 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 00:31:55 2017. ...and getting stuck behind frequently-stopping subway trains. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 27 04:34:29 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 26 20:41:07 2017. things cost way too much to buildThat, in a nutshell. Having "vision" isn't much good if all the projects you think up would bankrupt the city. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 27 07:27:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 26 18:52:27 2017. They could use one of the tunnels, at least, to send trains back out to NJ for storage - that yard near Harrison, for instance. Not as good as having 6 extra tracks to turn/store trains, but still. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 07:29:29 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 27 04:32:41 2017. right. although if they did follow that operating pattern (maybe rush hour only?) the convenience of not having to transfer is damn attractive. lirr passengers could remain in their seats until they reached their destinations.i don't know if they would head up the lex or the west side. never read anything about the planned routing. but...cold spring harbor direct to wall street? merrick to grand central terminal, the "honest" way? lindenhurst to penn station, "brooklyn style"? farmingdale to brooklyn bridge to union square to times square? all one seat. that level of convenient connectivity between both roads was definitely possible if different decisions had been made. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 27 17:38:41 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 26 18:42:36 2017. Railroad trains run very slow on long bridges, like the Victoria Bridge. Never 60MPH as they do in our tunnels. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 19:00:02 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 27 17:38:41 2017. The Victoria Bridge in its current form is close to 119 years old. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 27 19:06:57 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 19:00:02 2017. Once has interurbans or trolleys on it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Mar 27 20:35:46 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Nilet on Mon Mar 27 04:34:29 2017. I'm genuinely amazed that the Center City tunnel was built. While other cities were busy shuffling capital funds into operations budgets, Philly miraculously didn't get the memo and actually built what was intended. They (correctly) gambled that they would get the necessary funding for badly needed repairs after the tunnel was built, if only for the pols to save face.That said, it really is lack of vision keeping us back. The only ambitious project on the level of the CC tunnel in North America today is Metrolinx(Toronto)'s "Big Move" involving electrifying GO, buying MUs and through-running. Basically in 10 years they expect to be approaching the level of infrastructure SEPTA has, which is what MBTA wishes it had, and what the MTA/NYC is too dysfunctional to have. We can't even get MARC and VRE to through run, even though such would involve no construction. I'm sure MARC riders would love direct access to L'Enfant, Crystal City and possibly Quantico. While there could very well be some Virginians working in Baltimore, headed to College Park, or bound for BWI. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 22:26:19 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Mar 27 20:35:46 2017. like why shouldn't there be direct train service from long island to new jersey and upstate? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 22:32:58 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 22:26:19 2017. The PRR once owned the LIRR and never instituted anything like that. The only thing that came close was through sleeper service. There was a decent amount of through train service from Connecticut though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 22:34:52 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Mar 27 20:35:46 2017. The CCCT is no panacea. SEPTA even reverted to pre-Vuchic nomenclature for the former PRR and RDG lines, as if the services were again separate. What was the use? especially at the cost of the former diesel RDG services? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 23:13:53 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 22:32:58 2017. i was in jamaica station once and heard a guy asking for a ticket to linden. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 02:24:04 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 27 22:34:52 2017. Why does the nomenclature matter? What matters is how the trains operate, and for the most part they are going through Market East and 30th Street. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 28 07:32:28 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Mon Mar 27 22:26:19 2017. There IS thru service.You go thru NYP where ewe change trains. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Mar 28 10:42:03 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by ntrainride on Sat Mar 25 02:28:57 2017. As of now, the only mass transit available on Union Turnpike is the Q46 bus. Bus bunching was invented on that line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 28 12:35:00 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 28 02:24:04 2017. Why does the nomenclature matter?Ask SEPTA; they are the ones who felt a need to change things back to the way they were before the CCCT, as if the thing was never built. What matters is how the trains operate, and for the most part they are going through Market East and 30th Street And before that, they were terminating in those locations. "Market East" is a mere four blocks away from Suburban Station. And there used to be diesel service to Newtown, Bethlehem (briefly Allentown) and Reading, never mind electric service to West Chester. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Mar 28 17:29:47 2017, in response to Re: Boost in Ridership Leaves New York’s Penn Station Platforms Packed, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 28 12:35:00 2017. Ask SEPTA; they are the ones who felt a need to change things back to the way they were before the CCCT, as if the thing was never built.Are trains running through the CCCT? If so, then they've hardly changed things back "as if the thing were never built." And before that, they were terminating in those locations. But now they're running through. Because the system has been more thoroughly unified. And there used to be diesel service to Newtown, Bethlehem (briefly Allentown) and Reading, never mind electric service to West Chester. Cancellations of outlying services have nothing to do with the CCCT. |
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