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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Oct 17 14:48:34 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 12:51:26 2016. My point stands. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 14:57:36 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:29:35 2016. The difference with the MannyB tracks is that they were held O/S due to problems with the bridge itself and beyond the control of the MTA unlike threat of the MTA’s maintenance which is direct responsibility of the agency. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 15:10:08 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 14:38:39 2016. What do you do about regular passengers who may need to use the station facility but are not actually attending the event? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 15:21:55 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 15:10:08 2016. pay your regular fare and board. My point was both to provide the agency extra revenue, and speed throughput. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:34:54 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:23:13 2016. Problem is, CEOs, COOs and CFOs in the west don't want games starting at 4:00 PM their time either. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:37:00 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 16 22:43:52 2016. Exactly.My point was, you cater to WMATA in this case by scheduling for 6:40 PM, and many CEOs, COOs and CFOs in LA and the rest of the Pacific Time Zone are LIVID because of employees looking to leave work early as say 2:30 or 3:00 PM to get to where they need to be to see the game. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:38:54 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:18:08 2016. And doing that has many CEOs, COOs and CFOs in LA and the rest of the west coast LIVID about a 4:00 PM PT start because many of their employees would be leaving work early to get to where they need to in order to see the game. That is the real problem, they have to cater to the west coast. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 17 15:47:11 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 23:34:06 2016. To a degree it is a public necessity. Keeps the drinkers off the road. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 17 16:07:47 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:34:54 2016. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 17 16:08:24 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:37:00 2016. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 17 16:08:45 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:38:54 2016. LOL! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Oct 17 18:24:31 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:38:54 2016. If you work in a office, you can stream the game online or listen to it on the radio, I'm sure that's what most Dodgers fan did. People are not leaving work early in the masses to watch a baseball game. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:25:41 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 16 19:01:29 2016. The president of the US is a fan of the other Chicago team, not the one playing right now... |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:30:02 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:38:54 2016. What happens when the Dodgers play on the east coast during the regular season? They don't have to cater to the west coast. Half the US population lives in the Eastern time zone. The only media market other than LA that is larger than DC is San Francisco, the others are all in the Eastern or Central time zones. And why wouldn't CEOs, COOs, and CFOs in DC be livid that their employees were up until nearly 1 AM watching the baseball game and coming to work exhausted the next day? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:31:01 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Mon Oct 17 14:20:03 2016. Added revenue from event attendees is still less than the cost of operating service. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:32:06 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Oct 17 12:51:26 2016. The most important market is people who need to get to work on time day in and day out and need the system to be maintained in the overnight hours for that to happen, not 40,000 people going to a playoff baseball game. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:34:30 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 16 22:11:39 2016. And who foots the bill for it to exist? An extra hour of service is not cheap. Why can't the Nationals, who have plenty of cash (their owners are the richest in MLB) and got a stadium built entirely using public funds, help to pay for the cost of transporting fans to and from their games? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:35:03 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:23:17 2016. WMATA made that very clear. MLB either listened and didn't care or didn't listen at all. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:36:57 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:34:54 2016. Why do their opinions (supposing they enough of them with influence over MLB and/or FOX) matter more than people showing up to work tired the next morning in DC where the game was actually played? How would the CEOs, COOs, and CFOs in Los Angeles know to be livid when the postseason schedule was announced BEFORE the teams had even qualified and been seeded? As usual, your posting nonsensical theories that do not stand up to a logical analysis. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:38:51 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 18:49:49 2016. Problem is WMATA has not learned how to properly exploit the crossovers they have to keep things moving.True that. Hopefully they don't listen to the "experts" at the Rail Transit Operations, Performance and Safety Group who have issued "urgent recommendations" that would only gum up the railroad even more. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:40:34 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:37:00 2016. And then by your own logic, many CEOs, COOs and CFOs in DC and the rest of the Eastern Time Zone are LIVID because of employees showing up to work exhausted because they were up as late as say 1 or 2 AM to be able to see the end of the game.Enough already. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:41:29 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Oct 16 16:37:33 2016. We've already determined you are not a good representation of the population at large beyond yourself when it comes to your sports and TV consumption habits. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 17 22:42:02 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:31:01 2016. But all passengers' fares are subsidized, and monthly-pass commuters (at least around here, I don't know about WMATA in particular) get the steepest discounts. A guy who only rode to a playoff game and never uses public transit otherwise is probably paying full fare for his one trip. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:42:35 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 16 23:10:31 2016. The escalators at Dupont Circle south have been replaced twice since that station opened. Who did those? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:44:00 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 17 07:29:35 2016. WMATA late night service was not well utilized, even before the constant single tracking and other trackwork related delays. Owl buses would be far more efficient and cost effective. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 17 22:46:26 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Oct 17 18:24:31 2016. "If you work in a office, you can stream the game online..."Not if the network administrator has anything to say about it. :) |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 17 22:48:28 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Oct 16 18:18:08 2016. MLB's been in bed with network TV. For decades. Remember when NBC had the playoffs and/or World series? Games would start at 8:00 PM (Eastern). To make money.Except on Thursdays. Then the game would start no earlier than 8:30 PM. Why? Because of Cosby. That's right. He may be disgraced now, but then his show was the #1 program. Not just on NBC but for the entire broadcast nation. And NBC was in no way going to preempt its #1 show just for baseball. Even it was the World Series. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 23:26:07 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:42:35 2016. The escalators at Dupont Circle south have been replaced twice since that station opened. Who did those?The origenal 2 were Westinghouse they were replaced by 3 from I believe Thyssen or Kone then replaced by 3 from another vendor. Schindler acquired Westinghouse Elevator and Escalator division in 1989 which happens to roughly coincide with the time WMATA began competitive bidding escalator contracts for individual stations. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 23:32:48 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:32:06 2016. The most important market is people who need to get to work on time day in and day out and need the system to be maintained in the overnight hours for that to happen, not 40,000 people going to a playoff baseball game.Of which something under half used public transit to get to and from the ballpark. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 23:42:01 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 17 15:47:11 2016. To a degree it is a public necessity. Keeps the drinkers off the road.Most pro sports franchise would prefer no public transit at all so they can get the parking revenue. FedEx Field, and The Harry S Truman sports complex are examples of that model. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 17 23:53:17 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 23:42:01 2016. Ok. I'm from NY and they wouldn't mind if you took the trains to the game.I don't know anything about those parks you mentioned but here they're not as concerned with feeding beer as opposed to fans and others arriving safely. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Oct 18 01:17:26 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Oct 17 23:53:17 2016. In a place like New York City where plenty of people do not drive and/or do not have cars - public transit access to a sports stadium is paramount.Hence Madison Square Garden is in a perfect spot concerning transit and transportation access. In places where the main method of travel is the car - getting to and from the stadium becomes a much different affair. I suppose that is why there are plenty of "tail-gate parties" as folks arrive very early before they are entire the stadium. Mike |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 02:21:30 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:30:02 2016. The belief in the eyes of many is that people can go on short sleep if they need to and that often happens anyway. Whether that is a good idea or not is another matter entirely. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 02:22:38 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Oct 17 22:48:28 2016. I remember that REAL well. NBC was not going to let World Series games interfere with Cosby.It just became an issue here because of the WMATA situation. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 02:28:15 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:36:57 2016. It has nothing to do with who is in the playoffs.The problem is, regardless of which teams are in the postseason, it seems those on the west coast have for as long as I can remember been the ones who force things on the east coast and if it were REALLY up to them, all major events would not start before 6:30 PM local time/9:30 PM ET and preferably 7:00 PM PT/10:00 PM ET (that in fact was one reason through 1979 the Oscar telecast for example never started before 10:00 PM ET, it was only when in '79 John Wayne's speech in what turned out to be his final public appearance did not go until 1:25 AM ET did that change). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 02:31:10 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Oct 17 23:32:48 2016. They won't be making that mistake again... |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 14:37:02 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:25:41 2016. I was only trying to point out that POTUS is a person who would have the power to issue such an order even if he doesn’t like the teams. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Oct 18 19:35:04 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Oct 17 22:42:02 2016. Monthly pass commuters don't really get as much a discount over the "true fare". A lot of the cost of a fare goes into fixed costs that are only used to their potential during rush hour. Monthly passes always cost more than 40 x one fare. So unless they are making multiple trips during each rush hour, the extra rides they use to bring their cost per ride down are all occurring outside of the time when equipment is used the most. While off peak service costs money to provide, there still is a lot of overhead being wasted outside peak. By incentivising people to ride transit over other forms (simply because "they already paid for it") they are better able to reduce car traffic during off peak times, which makes life easier for pretty much everyone. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Oct 18 19:53:06 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 15:34:54 2016. CEOs, COOs and CFOs don't know anything about the day to day operations of the companies they manage. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 20:11:07 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Oct 17 22:44:00 2016. That would make sense.Similar to what SEPTA in Philly has done since 1991 (and still does on weeknights, they went back to 24-hour weekend subway service a few years ago). |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 18 21:48:31 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 02:21:30 2016. Really? Where do you come up with this stuff? It seems to me you're just coming up with things as necessary to make your ridiculous theories work. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 18 21:49:25 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 18 02:28:15 2016. Over half of the US population lives in the Eastern Time Zone. About 80 percent of the US population lives in either the Eastern Time Zone or Central Time Zone. What you are saying in this thread makes little to no sense. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 18 22:26:10 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 18 21:48:31 2016. His imagination is remarkable. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 19 06:45:33 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Oct 18 21:49:25 2016. To most people on the east coast, it does, but the problem is, there is a west coast and based on everything, it seems the west coast has far greater influence than some realize.Basically, it's believed by some that those on the west coast are more affluent and matter more based on what we have seen. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 19 06:46:52 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 18 22:26:10 2016. Well, that's what some in the west I've dealt with have actually said.Some in the west seem to act like they should get priority over the east coast. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Oct 19 07:20:22 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Oct 18 22:26:10 2016. Wallyhorse lives in his own alternate timeline.Check his post in the Myrtle Avenue thread where he said New York City was driven to bankruptcy by the 1969-1975 recessions |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 16:01:54 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by merrick1 on Tue Oct 18 19:53:06 2016. That is unfortunate. Years ago when I took a supervisory/management course given by the MTA, the theory was that management is defined as “getting things done through other people” and as such is an activity unto itself. In plain terms, it meant that as a manager, I should be able to go to an A & P super market and run it efficiently, and the manager from the A & P should be a blue to come to the MTA and perform my job efficiently. Practical hans on knowledge of the functions of the subordinates was not required. I personally think that is a load of BS and the especially in the field of something as specialized as transportation, an exhaustively encyclopedic knowledge of every aspect of the industry from the highest manager to the lowest employee is an absolute non negotiable requirement for a manager in that field. Sometimes even taking manager from the outside as has been recently done with the MTA from other “Toonerville Trolley” transit systems don't put the best managers in place. From what I was told when I visited WMATA years ago, most if not all of the policy is made bet suits who have less than no clue about running a mass transit system which is probably the cause of most of WMATA’s problems.. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 19 16:27:36 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 16:01:54 2016. Good post. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 16:42:11 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 19 16:27:36 2016. Thanks! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 19 17:49:22 2016, in response to Re: Washington Metro criticized for not extending hours last night due to Nationals Game, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 16:42:11 2016. For sure. It truly was. |
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