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Posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016 What are or were Shuttles in New York City. Elevated, Subway, Trolleys and Busses?Let's start off with the Grand Central 42nd Street Shuttle. The original terminal of the 3rd Ave. El was converted to a shuttle when the El was extended North. When electrification came it was operated with two car trains. A motor car and a control trailer. There have been many more. Let's see how many of them are known. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 30 12:20:44 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. (H) Overnight Euclid/Lefferts shuttle(H) Rockaway Park/Broad Channel shuttle |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 30 12:44:04 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 30 12:20:44 2016. Culver Shuttle |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 30 13:12:22 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. Franklin. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Jul 30 14:57:34 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. "The original terminal of the 3rd Ave. El was converted to a shuttle when the El was extended North"Source of this information please. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 30 15:34:49 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. Bowling Green - South Ferry34 St. shuttle between 2nd & 3rd ave. el's. Astoria line IRT shuttle service, before its connection to the BMT. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 30 16:22:08 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 30 13:12:22 2016. Grand Central to Times Square.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Jul 30 18:51:57 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 30 15:34:49 2016. It was actually BMT shuttles on the Astoria and Flushing lines to Queensborough Plaza. The IRT had through service on the Astoria and Flushing lines for both Second Avenue Line and 42 St Line. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jul 30 20:48:18 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. 145th St-135th St, Lenox Ave shuttle; 129th St-Willis Ave; Fordham Road-219th St (3rd ave el); Rockaway Pkwy-Canarsie (el car, trolley, now bus); South Ferry-Canal St (3rd Ave el nights); Broadway Ferry (1908-1916); Holy Cross Cemetery shuttle; Flatbush Ave Shuttle; B'way Ferry-Marcy Ave; Van Brunt & Erie Basin Ry; 58th St/6th Ave. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Jul 30 21:15:03 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 30 14:57:34 2016. I believe means the GCT 3rd ave shuttle.also the 2nd ave shuttle{EL} dyre ave shuttle. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Jul 30 21:50:00 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jul 30 20:48:18 2016. Polo Grounds shuttle |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Jul 30 22:50:15 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. if we named EVERY shuttle, we'd be here all night... |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Jul 30 23:26:08 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Allan on Sat Jul 30 14:57:34 2016. Among others, "The Elevated Railways of Manhattan" by Eric Oszustowicz, page 21, |
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Posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 01:00:17 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Asgard on Sat Jul 30 23:26:08 2016. The Court St. Shuttle, home of the Transit Museum.The Bowing Green Shuttle, to South Ferry. Come on guys, think. There are more. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:28:43 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by northshore on Sat Jul 30 18:51:57 2016. The IRT Astoria Line shuttle service I was referring to, was the initial operation which began when the Astoria Line opened in February 1917.(1) IRT subway cars operated as a shuttle between Ditmars & Grand Central.(2)This service lasted about five & a half months. On 7/23/1917 the 2nd Ave. el's Queensboro Bridge connection was completed to Queensboro Plaza. Going forward from 1917 the initial services were 2nd Ave. trains to astoria; IRT subway to Corona. 2nd ave el & IRT subway services later served both lines.(year needed)(3) IRT Subway service from GC to Alburtis Ave. began April 1917.(1) BMT subway service reached Qnsboro. Plz. in August 1920. The BMT el car shuttles on both the Astoria and Flushing lines began in April 1923.(3) (1) IRT Co. Annual Report rep 1916-1917 IRT co. cited in Wikipedia Astoria line article (2) Astoria Line history - David Rogoff. ERA NY Division Bulletin (year and volume # needed) (3) Wiki astoria line article |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:36:22 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by The Silence on Sat Jul 30 22:50:15 2016. That's what good strong coffee is for. Next cup is on me. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:37:34 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 01:00:17 2016. I got Bowling Green.How'n'the heck could Hoyt Schermerhorn - Court St. have slipped my mind? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:39:21 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jul 30 20:48:18 2016. nice list!"Good show" to use an expression found in English WW2 novels. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 31 10:01:17 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:28:43 2016. 34th Street Shuttle? |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jul 31 11:18:59 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Asgard on Sat Jul 30 23:26:08 2016. I have never read that publication. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 11:27:09 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 30 15:34:49 2016. . |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 11:31:02 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 31 10:01:17 2016. yeah broadway pussycat,34st shuttle that ran between the 2nd ave EL and the lirr`s ferry service at 34st-n- the east river |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 31 12:19:15 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. 57/6 to 21 St57/7 to 21 St Broadway-Lafayette to Grand I think the first service out of W4 lower was a shuttle to East Broadway. |
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Posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 12:25:12 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 11:31:02 2016. 133rd St. Shuttle. Originally operated by the New Haven RR. Went from 133rd St. Station of the New Haven and New York Westchester and Back RR's, The Bronx to 129 th St. 2nd and 3rd Ave. Els in Manhattan. The shuttle was later taken over by the IRT. New car deliveries for the subway and el cars and old car disposals were operated over the line. A section of the elevated ramp on the Bronx side in the NH yard remained well into the 60's and was used as a coal hopper delivery tipple. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 31 12:52:05 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. The West End shuttle that ran rush hours with elevated cars between Bay Parkway and Coney Island. Similarly elevated car shuttles that ran between Kings Highway and C.I. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 31 12:57:55 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 11:31:02 2016. 3rd Avenue L to LIRR Ferry with a stop at 2nd Avenue, Ratty. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 31 13:01:28 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 31 12:19:15 2016. Some elevated subway extensions ran shuttles at the lightly used extensions until business built up. Sorry, I forget the details. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 13:44:13 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 12:25:12 2016. also operated by manhattan elevated. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jul 31 14:20:13 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. New York Botanical Garden Shuttle on the Third Av El and the Bronx Zoo Shuttle from 177 St to the Zoo. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:32:26 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 12:25:12 2016. I mentioned that one in my list. The station was called Willis Ave, not 133rd St. The station, by the way, was located on 132nd St, I believe. Right, Tunnelrat? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:35:15 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by zac on Sat Jul 30 21:50:00 2016. Originally ran from Burnside Ave to 155th St, after June 11th, 1940. The following year, it was cut back to 167th St and went from 3 cars to two. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:38:45 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 31 12:19:15 2016. okay, so we are doing the temporary ones, as well. Lower level of West 4th Street to Houston-Essex St (Delancey St). |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:52:19 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by northshore on Sun Jul 31 14:20:13 2016. I don't think there was ever a shuttle between Bronx Park-Fordham Road and 177th street to Bronx Park East. Midnight service to Bronx Park ended on July 1st, 1950. Bronx Park station, itself, was closed on Nov 4th, 1951. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:56:01 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Allan on Sun Jul 31 11:18:59 2016. Order one now from the ERA! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:59:05 2016, in response to Shuttle of New York City, posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jul 30 11:52:30 2016. The never electrified shuttle between Navy/Myrtle and the Old main Line's fulton Ferry terminal under the Brooklyn Bridge. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 19:07:41 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:32:26 2016. YUP. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 19:09:36 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:59:05 2016. WAS TOO! 3RD RAIL INSTALLED,NEVER USED IN PASSXANGER SERVICE. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 31 19:11:55 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by SLRT on Sun Jul 31 12:52:05 2016. I’m not sure if those shuttles were rush hour only or whether they operated all day M - F. I was told that t one point the shuttle service actually operated between K/Hwy on the Culver and Bay Pky on the West End passing through Stillwell as one continuous service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 31 19:13:39 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:52:19 2016. The way I understood it from some IRT old timers, once the Wh Pl Rd Line opened, there was no midnight service at all to the Bx Pk spur. |
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Posted by Bronx boy on Sun Jul 31 19:14:28 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:32:26 2016. You are correct. It was called the Willis Ave Shuttle. It was a busy place at one time. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:27:44 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 31 19:13:39 2016. There was full service to/from Bronx Park on the 3rd Ave el. The IRT ran a shuttle between Fordham Road/Webster/3rd Ave and 219 St/White Plains Road at night. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:33:09 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:27:44 2016. This was right after the White Plains road line was finished to East 241st St. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:49:17 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 19:09:36 2016. Third rail installed but never electrified. The BRT had to maintain 550 volt electric service, so it needed everything for Sands St/Park Row trains. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:56:36 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 31 05:39:21 2016. Hey, we ain't done yet! The Bay Ridge shuttle from 65th St/3rd Ave-36St/5th Ave. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 21:03:53 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 20:49:17 2016. doesn`t make sense to install and not test it,why bother at all? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 22:02:59 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Jul 31 21:03:53 2016. Long answer: The only reason that the BRT kept and third railed the Hudson Ave trackage was the hope that they would someday be allowed to build their own bridge over the East River. They even received a charter from NY State to build the rail bridge in 1892, but opposition, mainly from the Manhattan side of the river, forced the BRT to give it up in 1896. The real slap in the face came when the state authorized the Williamsburgh Bridge charter, later that year. After NYC was incorporated in 1898, the BRT and the new NYC Dept of Bridges could not settle on a rental use for the el trains. (Remember, the bridge opened in 1903, but the BRT only started running its trains in 1908.) But, by 1904, the BRT realized it was useless to run a single gate car pushed/pulled by a single locomotive on the Hudson Ave spur, just to preserve the franchise- with no hope for a bridge. The Willy B had opened, talks with the City resumed, so the spur was closed on April 10th, 1904. The BRT bridge dream was dead. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon Aug 1 01:38:46 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 31 16:38:45 2016. Depends on your definition of "temporary"...as far as I know the first 3 I listed were regularly scheduled service at various times of day, or for very long-term needs. |
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Posted by B1bus on Mon Aug 1 04:18:15 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jul 30 12:20:44 2016. (H) Sandy shuttle |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 1 06:50:45 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 31 19:11:55 2016. They operated for a long time, the reason being the BMT's chronic subway equipment shortage. The West End version was apparently rush hour only.The Culver version was more complicated. Until 1931 the Culver was strictly an elevated line. In 1940 elevated trains ran from 9th Avenue to Coney or Kings Highway to Coney. Yes, at one point the elevated cars through-routed between KH Culver and Bay Parkway WE. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 1 13:10:01 2016, in response to Re: Shuttle of New York City, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 1 06:50:45 2016. Correct.After the 5 Av el was shut down, Culver el service continued to operate between Stl and 9 Ave alternating with Culver subway trains. Also toward the end of BMT culver operation, C types transferred from the Fulton St el provided K/Hwy to Stl shuttle service. |
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