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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 13 00:58:32 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 12 23:22:47 2016. If the in house workforce cannot produce within the time constraints, protecting their "turf" is detrimental to the riders. And if the "union" work is moved to a different "union" shop, (I believe Septa maintenance workers are union) there should be no complaint. Solidarity, no? |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Jul 13 11:05:53 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 8 17:49:29 2016. The M-1/2/3 are P-Wire, correct? Why did it work for them, and not the R-44/46? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 13 12:41:10 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jul 12 16:41:05 2016. Ouch on the lease cost.Will the builder of the truck frames reimburse SEPTA ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 13 15:23:22 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 13 12:41:10 2016. One of the news articles mentioned that the S-Vs overall are still under warranty. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 13 15:30:31 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by priya12 on Sat Jul 2 20:28:48 2016. Can't find any articles on that. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 13 16:08:15 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 13 15:30:31 2016. go herehttp://billypenn.com/2016/07/06/why-denvers-silverliner-v-cars-still-run-while-septa-pulled-phillys-off-the-tracks/ |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 13 18:03:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 13 16:08:15 2016. I read that, but my query was about whether Denver would pull any out of service. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 13 18:33:07 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 13 15:23:22 2016. From an article I saw, they have a seven year warrantyBilly Penn link |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 13 18:40:15 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 13 18:33:07 2016. The truck repairs or replacement will be covered, the big question is whether the contract and warranty terms allow for "consequential damages" Very often, they are excluded, or limited. The potential risk if they are open ended is too great for most companies to accept. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jul 13 19:02:35 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 13 18:40:15 2016. Thanks, good points. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 22:48:46 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 13 16:08:15 2016. I was going to say "but they probably have fewer miles on them" but then I just looked at their schedules for the A and (soon to open) B lines the Silverliners run on:A: 7 days a week, exact same schedule: 3:15AM, 3:45AM, then every 15 minutes until 6:30 PM, then every 30 minutes until 12:30 AM (1:30 AM Fridays). B: 7 Days a week, hourly all times, 5AM to 10PM, increases to half hourly during AM and PM peak M-F. This doesn't seem all that special until you realize the line only serves one stop (presumably when the G opens the infill stops will come online, as they share, and maybe it will be a combined half hourly service with the two). Meanwhile NJT is trying to rid themselves of their hourly one stop EMU line. WTF Denver, you guys skipped directly to awesome-level frequencies! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 23:58:27 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 13 18:40:15 2016. A different article stated that SEPTA will be getting $200 per car, per day they are out of service. This starts 14 days after they were pulled. This $24,000/day should hopefully cover the extra costs. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 07:13:06 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 23:58:27 2016. Thanks! |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 14 10:22:44 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 23:58:27 2016. That sounds like a reasonable penalty clause. Avoids ridiculous drawn out litigation between HR + SEPTA, but lets them recover some of the cost. That's sound business practice, still assume open ended consequential damage claims are barred by the contract, but reasonable costs get recovered. Sort of like when they give you a loaner car if your car gets recalled for a major safety defect where they tell you to stop driving it, and don't have the parts in stock to fix it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 10:28:42 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 14 10:22:44 2016. Thanks for your comment. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 14 11:22:36 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 10:28:42 2016. I just hope I'm heading in the right direction, and adding to an interesting topic. I hope things come together as well as possible for the affected riders. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 13:26:14 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 14 11:22:36 2016. The cracks |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 14 14:30:32 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 13:26:14 2016. Why does this SEPTA senior engineer look like he's doing the "vogue" dance next to the wheel trucks . . . ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 14:48:23 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 14 14:30:32 2016. Why does the FRA???? |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Jul 14 16:02:51 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 14:48:23 2016. Thanks for the cracks link Chuck. Now the question is did the weld fail because it was weaker than intended or because the car weight/rough riding overloaded it?Bill |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jul 14 16:07:21 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Bill West on Thu Jul 14 16:02:51 2016. Another possibility not getting much play. Many welds are done with sticks providing the material that helps joint the 2 pieces. If they were below standard, everything else could be right, and the welds would still not be as strong as they should be over time. This is just conjecture on my part, I do not know what technique was used in this fabrication. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jul 14 16:47:35 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 14:48:23 2016. If one goes back to the Silver Spring MARC v Amtrak cornfield meet of 1996, it is fairly clear that cab signals or ATS would have prevented the fatalities/fire. Mandating cab signals at least on ALL passenger + freight tracks was not something FRA was willing to do (apparently) so the other option was heavier "bank vaults" Dumb but it shifted the costs to the commuter agencies rather than forcing smarter signalling on the host RRs. Some mix of terminally stupid, regulatory capture, or anti commuter. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jul 14 16:50:35 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Bill West on Thu Jul 14 16:02:51 2016. or just poorly welded by demoralized workers at bankrupt truck factory ? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 18:20:00 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jul 14 16:50:35 2016. ABC-6 Phila. reportThey hope to have 5 to 10 cars back by Labor Day. We are going to have a lousy fall and winter, as the repaired cars trickle in. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 14 19:39:45 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jul 14 16:50:35 2016. One of the articles said SEPTA had the option of a more expensive, significantly stronger part made by a different manufacturer. But since they love doubling down on bad ideas, cheaping out on parts for already cheap railcars was the option chosen. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 14 20:02:55 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jul 14 14:48:23 2016. Answer is "power". And "control". |
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Posted by coneyisl on Thu Jul 14 22:02:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 22:48:46 2016. Caught one to DIA today. Free park and ride and $18 roundtrip. Saved 4 days of parking fees not to mention being able to walk straight up on to the TSA line. Cars seem to be running fine so far..... |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 14 22:05:06 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by coneyisl on Thu Jul 14 22:02:53 2016. Welcome to SubChat. I never seen you here before. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 14 22:51:16 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by coneyisl on Thu Jul 14 22:02:53 2016. Nice, I'll be over there in a few weeks to check out the A and B, all the articles tangentally mentioning Denver inspired me... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 15 01:24:14 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 13 22:48:46 2016. WTF Denver, you guys skipped directly to awesome-level frequenciesAt an average speed of 37.3 mph. There's always a tradeoff. Should be at least 10 mph faster. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 15 01:25:38 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 15 01:24:14 2016. while perhaps true, many studies have shown rider preference for frequency over speed. YMMV |
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Posted by coneyisl on Fri Jul 15 14:54:20 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by renee gil on Thu Jul 14 22:05:06 2016. Thank you. I chime in every once in a while but read regularly. I miss New York.... |
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Posted by coneyisl on Fri Jul 15 15:02:31 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 14 22:51:16 2016. The A line is quite fun. I'm looking forward to the completion of the R line which will give the A line a side by side connection to light rail. I am very concerned that the B line will go the way of Court Street. It is essentially a one stop stub line with little chance of extension in the foreseeable future. Hopefully the attraction of the park and ride will drive people to the station but 30 minute headways are a little bit concerning because I don't believe people on the north side have figured out how to lookup a schedule (yet). |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 15 16:26:18 2016, in response to Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 2 16:18:50 2016. The crux of the problem? |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jul 15 18:33:52 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by coneyisl on Fri Jul 15 14:54:20 2016. You're welcome. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 15 20:06:47 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Jul 15 16:26:18 2016. it was posted before but thanks |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 16 07:01:56 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 15 20:06:47 2016. Ok, Each article I thought, had something different in it, my bad. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 16 16:32:23 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 9 17:36:30 2016. Actually,there was a time when the Eastern Div had the best and newest BMT equipment and that was in the late 1930s on, with the assignment of the Multis to the 14 St Line. Then in the early 1950s, the newest cars on the NYCTS, the R-16s were assigned to the Jamaica Line even though they ultimately turned out to be operational disasters. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 17 08:35:15 2016, in response to Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jul 2 16:18:50 2016. Another news item |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sun Jul 17 16:13:11 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 17 08:35:15 2016. TransitChuck, is it safe to say that the borrowed cars/ trains are assigned to these schedules effective July 18th only? And possibly only to certain scheduled trains? Are the borrowed train sets operating all day or just am/ pm services?Thanx joe c |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 17 16:40:53 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by r17-6599 on Sun Jul 17 16:13:11 2016. TransitChuck, is it safe to say that the borrowed cars/ trains are assigned to these schedules effective July 18th only?I have no way of telling where they will run. And possibly only to certain scheduled trains? Possibly. Are the borrowed train sets operating all day or just am/ pm services? I'm not sure. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 17:30:04 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 10 08:37:02 2016. In all my time both riding the BMT from the late 1950s and working on the BMT from the mid 1960s on, I never heard the terms “standards” or “triplexes” use by operating personnel. In the Southern Division, the 67 ft cars were referred to as “ABs” and the triplexes ad “Ds.” In the Eastern Division since there were no D types in regular service there, the 67 ft cars were referred to as “steels” and when the Multis came in they were referred to as “Multis.” From the 1950s to the present, I never heard any other terms used to describe the prewar BMT rolling stock. Since by the time I started working for the TA, with the exception of the Culver Shuttle. all the ABs were in the Eastern I personally referred to them as “steels” since I worked mostly in the Eastern. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 17:38:08 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 10 17:13:55 2016. The problem with running shorter trains on a more frequent headway is that the passenger capacity wouldn’t be increased so that the trains would be just as crowded since passengers unable to jam themselves into an earlier train would merely wait for the next train which would probably be just as crowded. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 17 18:52:15 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 17 16:40:53 2016. if SEPTA is smart they run balls of these things , price is same if its 10 trips or 1 trip |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 18:55:42 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Jul 13 11:05:53 2016. Actually, when the LIRR M-1s first went into service they were very problematic. In fact I read an article in the Daily News which stated that the cars were such poor performers that it was suggested that the Budd Co who manufactured them should be banned from supplying any more railcars to the MTA. This was despite the excellent performance of the NYCTA R-32s. Once the bugs were worked out, the seemed to be relatively good performers. I once had a cab ride with a M/N engineer who told me he felt that the M/N M-1s were the best MU crash ever operated. |
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Posted by Terrapin station on Sun Jul 17 18:55:45 2016, in response to Re: Silverliner V problems, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 17 18:52:15 2016. You mean, run the balls off. Not, run balls of. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 17 19:08:37 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 18:55:42 2016. 1/2 inch of snow, motors sucked it right up, that's all she wrote. I heard that some arnines that were out in Jamaica there were occasionally used to rescue them. :) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Jul 17 19:35:03 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 18:55:42 2016. I sort of remember Budd having maintenance sheds at the Worlds Fair stop to do factory warranty work, and many MP-54s unretired to make service. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 17 19:55:32 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 17 17:30:04 2016. Weren't the steels still on the Franklin Shuttle even after all the R32's came in? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Jul 17 20:29:23 2016, in response to Re: 1980 R-46 problems, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 16 16:32:23 2016. the R-16s were assigned to the Jamaica Line even though they ultimately turned out to be operational disasters.Would that be the G.E. R-16's ? They were retired before the Westinghouse R-16's. Bill Newkirk |
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