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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jun 17 12:56:09 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016. Q cars on the Myrtle El, 1969.-w- |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 17 13:12:47 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 09:30:47 2016. Did it have that, "GG LOCAL", roll sign displayed on the sides? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 17 13:15:18 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Jun 16 10:51:45 2016. HAVE OPERATED CAR "G"AS A 2 CAR TRAIN Steve: You built car G. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 14:36:37 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 09:30:47 2016. My reaction to Arnines, when I was 7-ish was the same. They were quite rare by then, and they looked, sounded, and smelled totally alien. My Mom told me that only a few years before, she rode them all the time. I thought to myself something along the lines of "I wouldn't have liked that...".NOW, I love the Holiday train!! |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Jun 17 15:25:12 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:59:41 2016. Old neighbor in Kensington was about 10 when Culver El opened. He remembered going to Coney Island on the grade-level BRT. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 17 15:32:42 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 07:18:55 2016. That's odd, because it was common for an "S" for scrap, painted on the front bulkhead>  Location: Coney Island Yard...Car: BMT A/B-Type Standard 2496... Collection of: David Pirmann...Date: 3/6/1965...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 15:35:40 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:16:48 2016. Would be around 1955/56. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jun 17 15:40:27 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jun 17 13:15:18 2016. and a mighty fine job I did at that! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jun 17 15:41:59 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 16 14:35:52 2016. thank god for the conversion,the cinders burnt the hair off my head.hence my own conversion. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jun 17 15:46:24 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 16 22:30:44 2016. for everyones information:Q-cars-n- gate cars are NOT subway cars.they are EL cars.nay,nay nay,nay nay! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 15:58:10 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:13:49 2016. I rode MUDCs on the Bx portion of the el in 1956 along with the Qs. By the time my father died in the summer of 1958, the Steinways were the only thing running on the el. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:02:03 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 17 07:15:37 2016. Many of the BMT steels never received number boards but retained their painted numbers to the end. The same was true of the Multis and the Ds. As for BMT steels never running on any iND lines, there was a report of them running briefly on the F line as a trial. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:06:37 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 17 08:03:53 2016. Prior to Chrystie, the only R-38s running on the 4th Av Lcl (RR) were the air conditioned ones of which there were only 10 and it ran in an 8 car configuration. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:10:54 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:59:41 2016. When my wife and I were looking for an apartment in Bay Ridge in 1976, we cam across an old timer who had originally lived in the ENY area and remembered the old Manhattan Jct which preceded to current ENY complex that was built circa 1915. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:16:00 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 19:38:43 2016. I agree although having operated them both before and after GOH, I think they performed better before GOH. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:20:27 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jun 17 15:46:24 2016. I mentioned that in another post, although many of the BMT’s el cars did see service on some subway lines before being outlawed. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:21:03 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:06:37 2016. That means the RR (just before Chrystie) ran R-38s after July 19, 1967 -- that's when the first air conditioned R-38s were placed in service (F line being the first to have them). R-38s ran on the RR in a shorter period of time than I thought. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:29:21 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:21:03 2016. Wait, were those the same air conditioned R-38 cars on the F that also ran on the RR? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:33:18 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 11:46:38 2016. Some time prior to 1961, when the Brighton Lcl was still running to Ctl, I rode train of D types on Qns Blvd. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:34:32 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:33:18 2016. Wow, that's cool. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:39:51 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jun 17 08:52:50 2016. Although the Jerome Line was pretty much 100% L0-V prior to the introduction of the R types, sometime in the late 1950s, there were a few trains of Hi-Vs transferred from Bway to Woodlawn for Lex service and yo probably ended up on a Gibbs car at the head end with the sliding “merry widow” doors open. I have also heard that sometime in the early 1950s, Flivvers were operating on Jerome as well. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:44:51 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:29:21 2016. Correct. They were the last 10 cars of the order 4140 - 4149. When I worked as a Tw.M at City Hall Tower, I remember seeing them going from the window of the tower. After Chrystie, they were kept pretty much on the lines out of Jamaica Yd since the RR was routed back to Astoria then. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 16:52:42 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 17 13:12:47 2016. On the arnines...GG/ Bklyn Queens Crosstown If I remember correctly.On the Standards, the side display sign "95th Street 4th Ave" underneath said "Broadway Local via Tunnel" Again to a 7 ish year old, I thought the sign was correct, we are in a tunnel! (not knowing at the time of bridge routes) "Broadway Local" had to be right too since we were under Broadway in Queens. But "95th St 4th Ave" threw me. Could'nt figure out that one since the station street numbers were decreasing (65th st, 46th St, 36th St...etc) as we were travelling. And where the hell is 4th Ave? No mention of Brooklyn on any of the roll signs on the Standards running to Forest Hills, if memory serves. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:52:50 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:44:51 2016. Thanks. I wasn't too sure. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:00:22 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 16:52:42 2016. So the BMT Standards ran on the #2 4th Avenue Local route? The BMT #2 route (RR) were re-routed to Queens Blvd line (71st/Continental) in 1961, and by then the R-27/30s began running on the BMT #2 route (RR), never any A/B Type Standards. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:13:01 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 16:52:42 2016. Sorry, I must have read your post wrong. Ignore my other post. The 95th/4th Ave rollsign on that particular BMT Standard you're describing must have been wrong. The BMT #1 Brighton Local route did indeed ran "via Tunnel" (Montague Street Tunnel) to Forest Hills in the mid-late 50s. The route was called the "QT" in the 60s because, obviously, it used the Brighton Local via Tunnel route. But the BMT #1 Brighton Local route were already re-routed to Ditmars Blvd station by the time it was called the QT though. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 17:14:08 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:00:22 2016. ABs did run on the 4 Av Lcl to Ctl until all the R-27/30s were delivered. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:15:44 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 17:14:08 2016. Cool. I didn't know that. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 17:22:09 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:13:01 2016. Not so. I remember riding the first train of R-27s on the Brighton Lcl and it was still going to Ctl. Being familiar with the BMT route numbering system, I was quite surprised to see a “QT” roll sign on that first train. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:24:28 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 17:22:09 2016. Then that had to be for very short period then (November 1960-January 1961). |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 17:25:04 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 17:22:09 2016. Then that had to be for very short period (November 1960-January 1961). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 17:37:09 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Joe on Fri Jun 17 08:40:22 2016. Not sure. I don't think it was on the car itself, might be a fence or sidewall of some sort. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 17:45:59 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 16 07:54:37 2016. Well ... there was Rudy back there who believed that government shouldn't subsidize anything other than real estate speculators, and make up the money by charging the residents for everything. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 18:55:23 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:20:27 2016. Didn't some Q s go to Main St Flushing long after the outlaw was in effect?? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 17 19:41:19 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 16:34:32 2016. I'll bet they REALLY moved on IND rails, given the higher voltage. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 17 19:42:19 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 17 19:41:19 2016. Definitely. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 17 19:42:22 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jun 17 12:56:09 2016. Hey Moe, it's the Moitle! |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jun 17 19:42:53 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016. First, I'd like to thank all of you who responded to my question. Never seen that many to a thread I started here.And to answer the question I myself posted: The oldest would be the low-V cars on the remnant of the 3rd Ave El, the Q types on the Myrtle Ave El (on the now demolished section) and the triplex units on the Broadway line. Regarding that: My dad and I used to go to 14th St-Union Square via the F from Queens to the 34th St (then terminus) station, then the RR to 14th St (for reasons I don't remember). On the way back home, he would indulge me a little by allowing me to view thru the front window on the Triplex on the express line from 14th back to 34th. FYI, I was born in late November 1955, and really didn't start riding trains for at least 5 to 6 years, so many of the older units were gone from the system. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jun 17 19:45:48 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jun 17 19:42:53 2016. I forgot, the RR trains were the R-27 types, and I completely forgot the BMT Standards on the Canarsie line. With them, craziest experience was being at the front storm door, with the window OPEN as we went through the East River tunnel. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 17 19:52:45 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 18:55:23 2016. When the "Q's' were rebuilt from wooden gate cars, they had steel bulkheads added at the ends. That's why they were able to use the underground tunnel to Main Street, Flushing. That's why they were too heavy for 3rd Ave local service, when they were transferred there in 1949-1950. Gate cars ran on the BMT Centre (Nassau) St Broadway-Brooklyn line until August, 1927, when the new Triplexes freed up more Standards for Eastern Division use. When not in use, some of these Bway-Bklyn gates were stored on the unused Broadway Ferry spur. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 17 20:16:13 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Fri Jun 17 19:45:48 2016. Indeed the 14th St line in the 60s was a truly odd experience. The 1st Ave station was a ghost town midday. |
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Posted by Bronx boy on Sat Jun 18 00:08:40 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Fri Jun 17 16:20:27 2016. Yea, like Mabone Street. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 18 00:44:50 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016. Probably the R-26. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 18:14:53 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 17:37:09 2016. If i recall when riding the SIRT cars on the Franklin, the mesh was on the car since unlike NYCTS subway cars, the windows opened from the bottom instead of from the top. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 18:20:08 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jun 17 19:52:45 2016. An old time trainmaster I knew told me he remembered C types on the Jamaica Line going into Centre St. Gate cars also operated into 9 Ave lower when the Culver operated vis the 5 Sv El and IRT Gate cars operated through the Anderson Av Tunnel in the Bronx to/from the 6 and 9 Av els. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 18:23:47 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 17 19:41:19 2016. They did. When the BMT M/M first operated over QB, they had trouble stopping in the stations because the cars operated so fast. I would have loved to see how the Multis performed on the iND but unfortunately it never happened. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 19 18:35:22 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by randyo on Sun Jun 19 18:14:53 2016. That could explain it then. On their home turf, back in the day, no screening. Given the attitude of the time over the Franklin, I guess I should be surprised that they didn't go with armor plate. :) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jun 21 12:24:44 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016. R15, I think. I do remember seeing R10s on the CC, but at that time, most of my subway riding involved the 7 and F. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 21 19:17:23 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jun 21 12:24:44 2016. I don't ever remember riding on an R-15 while they were still around. They're probably the only regular production SMEEs that I never rode on. I never rode on an R-11, either, for that matter. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Tue Jun 21 19:38:18 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 17 20:16:13 2016. Plus the fact that 8th Ave the end stop in Manhattan was blue with Ozone smoke I got my fix every time I arrived at that station in the 60's. Karl |
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