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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 16 14:55:03 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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On the subway - LoV's

On the El - I rode Q cars on Myrtle Av El - only once.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 14:55:27 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 16 14:15:55 2016.

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any A/B stand on the Queens Blvd line would have been a BMT-Broadway (Manhattan run). Today's R train.

Actually the BMT Standards that ran on the Queens Blvd Subway was the BMT #1 Brighton Local route (Today's Q Line).


AFAIK, they were never assigned to any IND runs (I know it was considered in '66- but it wasn't done)

Yes, it originally supposed to be the GG line. But that never happened.



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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:59:41 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 16 14:35:52 2016.

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When I was a kid in Flatbush, we had an old gardener who remembered steam on the Brighton.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 15:17:29 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 16 14:15:55 2016.

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A few WERE assigned to F service,but they didn't stay very long.
They were suppose to be used for Crosstown service also,but IND guys didn't care for them at all...

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by zac on Thu Jun 16 15:21:18 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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I rode the Qs on the upper Myrtle, but not the lower part. The low-Vs on the Lex from Franklin to Utica, the Standards, the Triplexes, the R9s, the R10, the R11...

Never rode the multis or any other BMT special. Nor did I ride any other el cars.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 15:23:05 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 15:17:29 2016.

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A few WERE assigned to F service,but they didn't stay very long.

When was that?

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 16 15:47:14 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 14:55:27 2016.

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Looks like a sign up job.

Location: Coney Island Yard...Car: BMT A/B-Type Standard 2830... Collection of: David Pirmann...Date: 3/28/1965...from nycsubway.org

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 16 16:01:34 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 14:44:57 2016.

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Yes, that's what I meant.

Bob

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 16 17:00:23 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 16 15:47:14 2016.

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Are those actual rollsigns on 2830?

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by renee gil on Thu Jun 16 17:35:41 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 16 16:01:34 2016.

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Ok, just checking. : )

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 17:37:57 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 16 15:47:14 2016.

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nice.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by chud1 on Thu Jun 16 17:39:05 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by GonzoUSN on Thu Jun 16 13:38:04 2016.

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i remember that.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jun 16 18:12:41 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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Q cars on the Myrtle Ave. El, as a very young child.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Nilet on Thu Jun 16 18:28:00 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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Being all youthful, the oldest car I remember riding in regular service was an R27 or R30 on the C.

However, my dad swears I rode an R10 shortly before their retirement.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by W.B. on Thu Jun 16 19:33:39 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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In my youth, 'Arnines' on the Eighth Avenue CC line, c.1975-76. Nowadays, easily, the almost 52-year-old R32's.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 19:37:39 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Nilet on Thu Jun 16 18:28:00 2016.

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😄!
Yeah...
I rode those Q cars on the OL Myrtle ave el...
Saw the Third avenue El,never got to ride though.

Rode the Standard on the Canarsie line...and of course,the R1/9s on the lines they were on at the time.

Yeah...and just about all the post war cars after that.
What stands out the most,is my very First ride.
It was on a R10,from 42nd st to 125th where we lived the first few months before moving to the Boro Of Churches.
Never forgot it...so damn fast and noisey.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 19:38:43 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by W.B. on Thu Jun 16 19:33:39 2016.

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Best damn cars ever built.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 16 19:53:46 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 16 14:59:41 2016.

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Was his first name, Steve?

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 16 19:58:09 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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BMT standards on the Lonesome Larry from 1967 to 1969.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jun 16 20:00:24 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 16 03:55:58 2016.

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Yep, the R-1/9s had gold, "CITY OF NEW YORK" lettering on their sides - when it wasn't covered over by grime and steel dust.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by BMRR on Thu Jun 16 20:29:25 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by BMRR on Thu Jun 16 08:42:51 2016.

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Wait! Have to add gate car on the Myrtle Ave El. I remember bars across the window openings, so 1300 series. Was pre 1958.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 22:17:43 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 19:37:39 2016.

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Never forgot it...so damn fast and noisey.

Yes. That's exactly how I remembered them.


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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 16 22:30:44 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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Q car on the Myrtle.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by joe c on Thu Jun 16 23:08:44 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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The oldest subway cars i rode were the redbird subway cars,they were great subway cars.



til next time

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by K. Trout on Thu Jun 16 23:46:57 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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There's a good chance that my first subway ride was on a Redbird. It was in the era when those ran on the Lex alongside the R62 - I don't remember what we actually rode on.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by SubwayDiner on Fri Jun 17 01:58:16 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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One of my earliest memories is riding a graffiti covered R22 on the 3 around 1983 or so.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 02:43:54 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 16 15:47:14 2016.

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Looks like the number plate has been removed too, showing the original number stenciled or painted above the door pocket window.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 03:05:09 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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grew up riding R1-9's on the E & F during the 50's.

on the lex local up to my Dad's office in 1956-57, probably Lo-V's - don't clearly remember the car, just the front window, had the glass with protective wire between the panes, and the grime layer on the bottom was so thick, I had to stand on tip toes to see over it.

Maybe rode a Hi-V once on the lex, as I've posted before - can only clearly remember that the traction motors' hum was MUCH louder than the R1-9's, and ramped up in pitch almost immediately to it's top note as the train accelerated. when it stopped at stations, the entire train shook, and felt like was going to fall apart.

AB's or D-Types out of Queens Plaza during the 50s to 59th St. where we'd switch to the lex.

Clearly remember riding D-types later during the 60s just a year or two before they were retired.

AB's on the Canarsie line 1966-67; Myrtle-Chambers 1968.
Q's on the Myrtle spring and early summer 1968.
Steinway World's Fair & Low-V trailers, 3rd ave. el in the Bronx, summer 1969.

& Original SIRT cars on Staten Island (yeah, it's not the subway, but these were pre-war rapid transit cars, and they did run on the BMT, though I never rode them there)

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 03:29:15 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 03:05:09 2016.

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Same here for the SIRT cars. They were slow and groany, but I *loved* how you could flip the seat backs and ride backwards. :)



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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 03:58:04 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 03:29:15 2016.

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they were unique. wish I'd ridden them on the BMT.
thanks for posting the picture - center pole configuration is similar to the original configuration of the standee poles in the Standardes.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 05:13:43 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 03:58:04 2016.

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They were REALLY interesting cars. Had some friends down on "Satan Island" in the late 60's that I worked with, so rode the SIRT often. It was laconic like the Myrt, but seemed just so rural. And the conductors were pretty cool too, didn't mind if you flipped the seat as long as you put it back when you were done. :)

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jun 17 06:28:54 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jun 16 19:53:46 2016.

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Willie.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:57:44 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Renee gil on Thu Jun 16 14:55:27 2016.

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But the Queens Blvd BMT extension service still ran local on Broadway, didn't it? To me that makes it more R-like than Q-like...

Also, by the 1960-11/25/67 period, it was actually the 4th Avenue local that provided this service, wasn't it? And on the R27/30s, it was actually signed as the RR...

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:58:38 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jun 16 15:47:14 2016.

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LOL- it even says "RETIRED" on that car...

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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:59:30 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:58:38 2016.

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I have colleagues who should have that stenciled on their shirts..

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 07:00:41 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jun 16 14:48:29 2016.

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I was also around 7 or 8 when I realized I loved the subway. Of course, that was 1975-76...!!!

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 07:02:26 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 16 15:17:29 2016.

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And they actually RAN on the F? Wow...

In this day of digital photography and the 'net, there would be pictures. Back then, as we all know, taking a picture was a bigger deal...

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jun 17 07:08:17 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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Arnines on the Queens Boulevard IND in the early 1970's. That is what I remember.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 17 07:15:37 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 02:43:54 2016.

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Looks like the number plate has been removed too, showing the original number stenciled or painted above the door pocket window.

The two cranes in the background lead me to believe these cars are about to be scrapped. Which explains the missing number boards.

Also the date of the photo would coincide with incoming new R-32's, making these AB's officially retired.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 07:18:55 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jun 17 07:15:37 2016.

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and written in yellow paint on the side of the AB closest is the word 'retired'

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 07:21:23 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 05:13:43 2016.

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yeah, the one time I rode it, summer of '66 or '67, I do remember the conductor collecting fares from people along the route as they got on.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 17 07:59:03 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:57:44 2016.

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But the Queens Blvd BMT extension service still ran local on Broadway, didn't it? To me that makes it more R-like than Q-like...

Maybe, but the #2 4th Avenue local route (RR/R) didn't move to 71st St Continental until January 1961 (and again on 5/24/1987), which is well after the time period Fisk Ave Jim is talking about.



Also, by the 1960-11/25/67 period, it was actually the 4th Avenue local that provided this service, wasn't it? And on the R27/30s, it was actually signed as the RR...

Yes, I already knew that, but Fisk Ave Jim is talking about boarding a BMT Standard at 65th Street station in the mid-late 50s period (presumably). When the BMT Standards ran on the Queens Blvd Line (to 71st/Continental), it was usually the BMT #1 Brighton Local route, not the #2 4th Avenue local route (Today's R line). In the late 50s, the BMT #1 Brighton Local route (called the "QT" in the 60s) operated to 71st/Continental from Mondays to Fridays, 6 AM - 8 PM only. The #2 4th Avenue local (RR/R) route still operated to Ditmars Boulevard station at that point. When the 11th St Cut opened on 12/1/1955 it was the first time the BMT Standards ran on IND trackage. It probably looked strange seeing the BMT Standards along with IND's R1-9s on the Queens Blvd subway.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 17 08:03:53 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 17 06:57:44 2016.

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Also, the R-27/30s weren't the only cars that ran on the RR during the 1961-67 period. The RR also ran R-38's (when they were new) during that period as well (in 1966-67).

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Joe on Fri Jun 17 08:40:22 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 17 03:29:15 2016.

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What is that grating or fencing I see outside the windows on the right?
Thanks for the rare interior photo!
Joe

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jun 17 08:52:50 2016, in response to Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Jun 16 02:08:50 2016.

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I rode pre-war IRT cars on (what's now) the #4 line. I'm not sure if they were all Lo-Vs, or if there was an occasional Hi-V in there. I know there was some variation in the car configuration. On a few occasions, I stood at the railfan window, but there was one time when the front of the lead car was different, with no real storm door, and the motorman said I couldn't stand there.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 09:30:47 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by renee gil on Fri Jun 17 07:59:03 2016.

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"... boarding a BMT Standard at 65th Street station in the mid-late 50s period (presumably)."

That is correct. It was in the late 50s. I was 7 or 8 at the time. We were going to a Lionel Model train display somewhere along B'Way (Memory Fades...)

"It probably looked strange seeing the BMT Standards along with IND's R1-9s on the Queens Blvd subway. "


Absolutely! Living along the Flushing Line, All I saw & rode there were R-12-14 & 15s. By the late 50s the Lo-Vs were long gone from that line.

Occasionally, riding on the IND, I'd ride in an R 1-9 car on the GG local. When the Standard pulled in to 65th St. to an impressionable 7 yr old, it looked absolutely weird. Gothic looking front windows & no front end destination signs, to me, looked alien for lack of better adjective. On the inside, to a young lad, they seemed bigger than the R-1-9s & huge compared to what ran on the Flushing Line


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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Renee gil on Fri Jun 17 09:32:41 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 09:30:47 2016.

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Very interesting.

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 17 11:46:38 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 03:05:09 2016.

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"AB's or D-Types out of Queens Plaza during the 50s to 59th St. where we'd switch to the lex."

Don't remember ever seeing a D type Triplex on the Queens Blvd line to/from Forest Hills.
Unless you mean Queensboro Plaza Elevated Sta. Saw many of them on the BMT Astoria Line

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by GIS Man on Fri Jun 17 11:57:03 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jun 17 07:21:23 2016.

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That was still going on in 1982-83 when I lived for a short time in Staten Island. I remember those trains being so crowded that there's no way they could have collected all the fares. Plenty of people must have ridden for free.

Bob

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Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jun 17 12:26:19 2016, in response to Re: Oldest NYC Subway car you ever rode on NYC Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jun 16 07:54:37 2016.

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I remember when admission to the zoo was 25¢. In fact, even that was only charged on Wednesdays; other days it was free. Then they reversed it, and admission was charged every day except Wednesday. Technically, you still don't have to pay to enter the grounds on Wednesday, although you are strongly encouraged to make a "contribution".

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