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MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016 Got it of a Facebook post.The MTA is confirming the free Livonia-Junuis transfer. http://patch.com/new-york/brownsville/mta-confirms-free-livonia-junius-transfer-coming-0 |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 28 15:37:30 2016, in response to MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016. Can someone post a link? Thanks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 28 15:42:59 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 28 15:37:30 2016. Finally got it to copy properly, so I'll post the link:http://patch.com/new-york/brownsville/mta-confirms-free-livonia-junius-transfer-coming-0 |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 28 16:29:53 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 28 15:42:59 2016. When I was joy riding the subways for a day in the 1960's, I walked that transfer from the 3 line to the L line. I guess I wasn't afraid of the neighborhood.i came up from Philadelphia and spent the day riding the NY subways. I remember riding the number 8 line, the cars bucked and scared me into thinking we were going to stall. We finally made it to the upper end. |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 28 18:26:10 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by TransitChuckG on Sat May 28 16:29:53 2016. I remember riding the number 8 lineThird Ave. el in the Bronx ? the cars bucked and scared me into thinking we were going to stall. We finally made it to the upper end. If they were Lo-v's, there was a trailer car in the consist. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 28 22:01:20 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 28 18:26:10 2016. The cars used on the 3 Av el were actually Steinways which never ran with trailers either on the IRT Queens lines or the IRT mainline. The first time Lo-V trailers were used in Steinway consists was on the 3 Av el. The IRT felt that the Steinways were not powerful enough to operate with trailers through the Steinway tunnel and the TA apparently felt the same way about them even when they were transferred to the mainline. I imagine the TA didn’t care about that when they were transferred to the 3 Av el. |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 29 00:10:35 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by randyo on Sat May 28 22:01:20 2016. Well, it's not like they were really going anywhere, and the only way they could jack up the railroad was going to the yard, so what could possibly go wrong? :) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 29 01:11:15 2016, in response to MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016. I remember that jerkoff Charles Barron holding a press conference about how the TA is PURPOSLY discriminating against blacks by making them pay 2 fares at that location. Doesn't Dr. Evil realize that for the first 40 years or so, the neighborhood was Jewish and Italian? Stupid putz!! |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 29 09:01:14 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 28 18:26:10 2016. That looks familiar. thanks, Bill Newrirk |
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Posted by Dan on Sun May 29 11:04:14 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 29 01:11:15 2016. Was Livonia - Junius ever a free transfer? I don't know the area, are the stations physically connected? You're right, up until the 1960s ENY was Jewish and Italian. Many 'paesani' from my grandfather's hometown near Napoli lived in ENY. In fact my parents looked at a buying house on Autumn Avenue back in 1959, but luckily bought elsewhere. Charles Barron is a loudmouth. |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun May 29 16:15:46 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Dan on Sun May 29 11:04:14 2016. No Livonia & Junius was never a free transfer, they were just two separate stations that happen to be nearby each other.There are many subway stations that were simply nearby each other, some were turned into "free transfers" and some simply were not. In the days before "Unlimited Metro-Cards" - transferring between these very close but un-connected stations required the payment of another fare. For example - plenty of times I've "transferred" between the R-train Metro-Tech/Lawrence Street station in downtown Brooklyn and the nearby Jay Street-Borough Hall station because it was a very quick way to get to work in Brooklyn. The payment of an "extra fare" beat the plenty of "round-about" trips when A & C trains were diverted off the Cranberry Street Tunnel. Plenty of times, before the un-limited Metro-Cards, I've paid the extra fare just to not deal with the hassle of traveling back and around just to get some place. Plenty of other riders will often make such "unlimited Metro-Card" transfers between very close stations to minimize their travel time, or increase their travel options. Over the years and decades, the idea of joining these two stations has been brought up repeatedly in various transit discussion forums, transit articles and reports, and the press. Mike |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 29 21:54:21 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun May 29 01:11:15 2016. 40 years ago,the neighborhood was black and Latino...with some jews still owning businesses on Belmont and Pitkin.If you are going to be a jerk,at least knowbwhat you are being a jerk about. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon May 30 06:27:38 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Michael549 on Sun May 29 16:15:46 2016. It was never a free transfer, but wasn't there some kind of structure with a walkway connecting them, even though an extra fare was required to use it as a transfer? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon May 30 06:40:49 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Edwards! on Sun May 29 21:54:21 2016. Yes. But if you can capitalize Latino, you can capitalize Jews as well. I will assume (I hope correctly) it was just an accident that you didn't. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon May 30 07:30:35 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon May 30 06:27:38 2016. Yes, there was a walkway alongside the north side of the Livonia el structure connecting the two mezzanines. I remember using it a couple of times in the early 1950's. |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon May 30 11:55:07 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon May 30 06:27:38 2016. The L-train at that location exists in a railroad right of way, which in the past was an active railroad on a separate set of tracks below the L-train elevated structure. This railroad right of way divides two neighborhoods, but at several points are there pedestrian walkways over the trackage. On the southern side of this walkway are a set of several steps needed to reach the walkway bridge.In this particular instance that walkway allows the public from either side to walk to the other side. Also from the Livonia Avenue station platforms one can easily access this walkway due to the entrance & exit high-wheel turn-styles. The exits also lead riders and the public to the nearest street, and the walkway. Again this walkway is also used by the general public to reach either side of the railroad right of way. At some time in the past, the #3 Junius Avenue station had two entrances with mezzanines - in this case an entrance at both ends of the station. One entrance/exit (the north entrance) was closer to this public walkway - but this entrance/exit mezzanine was closed decades ago with the stairways removed as a part of the MTA"s general closings of entrances & exits - which was done at many stations. The other entrance at "south end" of the station only has two stairways that connect to only one side of the street, the side of the street opposite from where one lands after using the walkway to the L-train station. Of course among transit fans and other folk - over the decades there was always talk about how to join these two stations. Of course in transit policy - money talks - and beyond talk there was little money ever put behind connecting these stations. The Junius Street station was well as the entire #3 line trackage rises over the L-train line at this location, with the #3 Junius Avenue station platforms some distance AWAY from the platforms of the L-train Livonia Avenue platforms. Meaning there is no simple way of connecting these stations. I hope these pictures help explain: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?74081 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?146081 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?132129 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?137347 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?82888 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?133717 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?45819 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?3247 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?140110 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?126572 http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?119408 As one can see from the photos, the walkway is not "wide enough" to separate it into "paid fare" and "open public" zones in some fashion - evem if a short direct walkway could be built to connects to the IRT platforms. The walkway also serves as an important linkage for residents on both sides of the railroad trackage. In any case, I hope this information is helpful. Mike |
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Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon May 30 12:43:50 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Michael549 on Mon May 30 11:55:07 2016. Thanks, appreciate the photos! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 30 13:36:24 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon May 30 06:40:49 2016. never...All people are the same to me regardless of origin. Thats the issue most people seem to forget... Its not your ethnicity that makes you a good or bad person. Its your character. YOUR CHARACTER. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon May 30 13:55:59 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 30 13:36:24 2016. Well, we have some characters here, that's for sure. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon May 30 15:00:15 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Edwards! on Mon May 30 13:36:24 2016. IAWTP!chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon May 30 15:14:50 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by VictorM on Mon May 30 07:30:35 2016. The walkway has been rebuilt,but modified.Its been awhile,but Im sure the connection has been removed.. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue May 31 08:41:08 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Michael549 on Mon May 30 11:55:07 2016. Thanks for all that info. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 31 10:41:45 2016, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat May 28 15:42:59 2016. Thanks for the HTML link. |
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Posted by Ancient Mariner on Tue May 31 13:14:00 2016, in response to MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016. Please help me understand what the plans are here. Is this merely a "free out-of-station transfer", as the article states, or is there going to be some construction involved? If it's the former, then why will it take three years? There doesn't seem to be any clear explanation as to exactly what is going to happen.On the other hand, maybe I'm just being obtuse...in any case, I'd be grateful for some info. |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Feb 7 20:17:09 2020, in response to MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016. The NY Daily News website of 2.7.2020 says the TA will spend $38 million to have the passengers for the two stations go through one fare collection area. That's my interpretation of the plan two years hence. Maybe I'm wrong.Livonia and Junius |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Feb 7 20:20:52 2020, in response to MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Hamilton Express on Sat May 28 15:34:45 2016. Also, dated February 7, 2020, press release |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 7 20:45:58 2020, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Joe on Fri Feb 7 20:17:09 2020. I don't see how they can put both stations through one fare collection area |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 8 14:48:51 2020, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Joe on Fri Feb 7 20:20:52 2020. Can a passenger who arrives at Rockaway Parkway on the bus that stops inside the station and takes the L to Livonia Ave. currently make the transfer to Junius St. station without it counting as a transfer on his/her MetroCard? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 15:18:09 2020, in response to Re: MTA confirming free Livonia-Junius transfer, posted by Joe on Fri Feb 7 20:17:09 2020. A "single enclosed facility" does not imply only one fare collection area. |
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