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Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 12 14:49:30 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Feb 8 01:01:01 2016. A point was made that Forest Hills is at capacity and more trains cannot be turned there. In that case, why not shift the R back to 179th St? That would free up space at Forest Hills for additional service from Bway-Brooklyn, whether it's additional M trains or some other service. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 12 14:53:25 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 12 14:49:30 2016. Just turn the added M trains at Queens Plaza. They aren't needed east of there - the real need for added Ms in Queens is at 23rd St/Ely Ave for people coming from the G. Have 8 platform conductors so a train can be fumigated in 30 seconds - far cheaper than any other solution. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 12 15:14:00 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 12 14:53:25 2016. But don't they have to be on the express tracks to turn around, or at least cross onto the express tracks? The express tracks are crowded enough as it is during rush hours. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 12 15:21:20 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 12 15:14:00 2016. The express tracks are crowded enough as it is during rush hours.The 53rd Street tunnel carried 30 tph until the F was moved to the 63rd St tunnel. It can do it again. You just have to get all the people off the eastbound M at Queens Plaza really fast. If you don't add Ms from Queens, 23rd Ely will get crammed with G train riders trying to get to midtown. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 12 15:44:23 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 12 15:14:00 2016. Actually, no. From Manhattan, the Ms and Es pull into the express track at QP. From there, the Ms can pull into the center relay track without crossing any other tracks. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Feb 13 00:44:53 2016, in response to Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 10 23:18:35 2016. between the (G) and (C) at Lafayette AvenueI don't understand why this is necessary with Hoyt-Schermerhorn one stop away. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 13 02:24:55 2016, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 12 14:53:25 2016. There are too many fumigation issues, which is why I would send any additional (M) trains signed as (T) to 96th/2nd 24/7 (replacing the late night and weekend (M) shuttles) since CBTC work likely is going to complicate having the (M) go to 71st-Continental on weekends. If necessary, I would run 1-2 extra (M) TPH that would terminate at QP so the (E) isn't too much affected.Better on the QB end would be to have the (G) (M) and (R) all run to 179th Street ((G) with (F) late nights and if CBTC work is being done the (G) on weekends truncated to Court Square where it is now) with the (F) at all times express on the full route. It can be done with if there is a jam-up trains on the local track can be moved to the express after Parsons Boulevard (skipping 169th Street). This would take some pressure off the (E) and (M) in particular and also in particular off of Court Square by doing this. |
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Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 11:19:42 2016, in response to Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station, posted by K. Trout on Sat Feb 13 00:44:53 2016. Aint no transfers at hoyt, 'cept to the 8th Avenue. |
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Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 14 17:19:50 2016, in response to Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 13 11:19:42 2016. Well, the C/G transfer proposed at Lafayette is the same thing. |
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Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Feb 14 18:14:45 2016, in response to Re: Canarsie Line During (L) Tunnel Shutdown/Atlantic Avenue (L) station, posted by K. Trout on Sat Feb 13 00:44:53 2016. it would only make sense if a transfer was put in to connect to Atlantic-Barclays |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 14:50:04 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Feb 5 07:48:56 2016. Maybe one idea now that the R runs to Whitehall Street overnights is to have no R service at all and have the J run to Bay Ridge overnights replacing overnight R service. |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Dec 11 15:20:35 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 14:50:04 2022. I doubt that there would be sufficient ridership along the Eastern Division/Nassau St to justify such a change. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 15:59:14 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allan on Sun Dec 11 15:20:35 2022. The J already runs to broad street overnights. The R runs to Whitehall street overnights. Why not combine them? |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Dec 11 17:09:25 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 15:59:14 2022. Perhaps there is more passenger traffic at Whitehall (even with the N local) than at Broad. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 11 17:32:06 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allan on Sun Dec 11 15:20:35 2022. I disagree.The N covers the Broadway line through lower Manhattan overnight, and the Q covers the Canal st/Bridge route. Neither covers 4th Ave below 59th 4th ave,and with trains every 20 minutes to a half hour depending on crew availability, even that is up for debate. Given the circumstances, the J is the viable answer to a clear situation. However, the problem with this isn't the fact that the MTA can't operate this extended J service. They just won't do it. There are enough trains for the J to operate (64 R160,96 R179,plus spares,out of ENY.)for current service levels,just barely. Most of the equipment is given to the M line at 230 plus cars,while the L has its own fleet plus some CBTC equipped R160a cats. Due to the fact that the Eastern Division only received a small amount of R160s from the first contract,(which is why the R42 and 32s were kept so long) and the 179s operating in C service are are purposely kept there due to an artificial reason. In all actuality, there is Still a railcar shortage that the TA cannot recover from due to ridiculous decisions made by management. The J does not have the equipment to include south Brooklyn service,and maintain some decent level of output. At this point in time, the only way any line extension is possible is to bring the 179s over from the C. And that opens another can of worms. The R211 will Not be enough to put a dent into the car shortage, unless there is another 400 car order attached to the current contract, or another duplicate contact is let out. The MTA scraped 260 R44 without replacement. The option order of an additional R160s were canceled, but incorporated into the 300 car R179 order. What they did wrong was not increasing the 179 order to 600 cars, delaying the 211s,and not ordering enough equipment with THAT ORDER. With out the proper amount of the system runs bare minimum services,which is what we have now. The W isn't a true line. It's actually N trains that are being diverted to lower Manhattan. Neither is the Z. Even if you added the 6 Z trains to the J schedule, it still won't be enough. Hopefully, the R211 will create enough of a impact along the A line to free up enough 179s for the Eastern Division routes. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 11 17:34:31 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 15:59:14 2022. Makes sense to me. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 20:18:48 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 11 17:32:06 2022. But having the J run to Bay Ridge overnight won’t tax the fleet because overnight has the least amount of service. If anything MTA can reduce the number of crews available combining the J with the overnight R. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Dec 12 03:25:21 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allan on Sun Dec 11 17:09:25 2022. There is more possible traffic with the connection with the #1 train at South Ferry, and the Staten Island Ferry, when the "R" terminates at Whitehall Street from Bay Ridge at nights. Extending the "J" is too long of a run, alike the old "RJ" of yore.-William A. Padron ["South Ferry"] |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 09:15:42 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allen45 on Sun Dec 11 20:18:48 2022. The problem with combining any Eastern Div route with a Southern Div route like the R is that the R operates 10 car train while the J only operates 8 cars so N/B combined service can’t be operated until it is GUARANTEED that the last 10 car R train has left 95 St. The probability of a 10 car train inadvertantly getting sent int ot e Nassau Cut is too great to take a chance. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Mon Dec 12 09:23:45 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 09:15:42 2022. The R operates alongside the M in Queens. The F operates alongside the M in Manhattan. The brown M used to run a similar route during rush hour. This is the overnight period. There isn’t much ridership so an 8 car train vs a 10 car train isn’t a big deal. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Dec 12 15:36:21 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allen45 on Mon Dec 12 09:23:45 2022. The areas where the F, M and R operate together does not cause an issue because the platforms are 10 cars long.The platforms on the Eastern division are only 8 cars long. |
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Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Dec 12 16:14:02 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Allan on Mon Dec 12 15:36:21 2022. While we are on the subject of train lengths, many people are not aware that the IND intended to run 11 car trains and built their stations accordingly (660+ feet). There is no indication that I could find in any reference sources that they actually ran 11 car trains (and they did so, it wasn't for very long). |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 12 16:51:47 2022, in response to Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)?, posted by Allan on Mon Dec 12 16:14:02 2022. While we are on the subject of train lengths, many people are not aware that the IND intended to run 11 car trains and built their stations accordingly (660+ feet). There is no indication that I could find in any reference sources that they actually ran 11 car trains (and they did so, it wasn't for very long). Allan: Eleven cars trains were operated during rush hours on both the "E" and "F" lines. This was in effect from September 8, 1953 until on or about September 8, 1958. The eleven cars trains were operated on each line during the rush hours. It was necessary to have a second conductor on these trains since on tall of the platforms were long enough to hold a train of that length. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)? |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Dec 12 17:00:45 2022, in response to Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 12 16:51:47 2022. Thanks Larry |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Dec 12 17:12:01 2022, in response to Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 12 16:51:47 2022. At one time all ten car trains on the IND had two C/R's until it was given up by the union as a give back for a contract. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon Dec 12 20:30:32 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Edwards! on Sun Dec 11 17:32:06 2022. Interesting idea to suspend R train operation over night and replace it with J line service.The question is how much customer traffic demand exists from south Brooklyn towards Essex Street via the Center Street subway overnight? Does a number exist that indicates a significant demand in such a service pattern? Downtown Manhattan along Broad & Nassau Street has no where near the commercial activity it had prior to the mid 1990's. The majority of brokerage houses have either relocated to the midtown central business district, west to the Financial and World Trade Centers along West Street, or across the Hudson to Jersey City. For those who live in NYC just look across the Hudson at the Jersey City skyline along Hudson Avenue. Today children with school backpacks are escorted by parents on Broad Street on their way to school. More central to the argument, how many posters on this board use rapid transit from South Brooklyn, and require a one seat connection towards Essex Street via Broad Street at 3 AM every work day? Possibly it's time to resurrect the dead and write about 76th Street again? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Dec 12 21:23:42 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 4 23:56:50 2016. It worked on the former #14 B'way-Bklyn local when it ran with the #15 Jamaica express. |
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Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 22:03:38 2022, in response to Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)?, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Dec 12 17:12:01 2022. As an intersting aside, one of the IND old timers told me that as part of the union agreement, former 10 car lines were to be operated as 9 car consists but the first day of the new pick they were surprised to find that trains were 10 cars. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 12 22:16:20 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Dec 12 21:23:42 2022. And the KK/QJ post Chrystie. |
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Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 13 00:31:22 2022, in response to Re: Quick Trivia (Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens)?, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Dec 12 16:51:47 2022. If you've ever seen Alfred Hitchcock's The Wrong Man starring Henry Fonda, when Fonda exits the train at Roosevelt Ave., you can see one of the conductors between the first and second cars. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Dec 13 02:31:15 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Handbrake on Mon Dec 12 20:30:32 2022. I don't think this is the point about trying to extend the J to 95th St overnight. It is more that the J terminates at Broad St and the R terminates at Whitehall, and this would join the two lines into one. The R was extended a few years back to Whitehall from the former terminal at 36th St (or was it 59th?) so that Bay Ridge residents wouldn't need to take 3 trains late at night. Whitehall St gave them direct transfer to the 1, Jay St/Metrotech to the A/F, Atlantic/Barclays to the 2/4, plus the transfer at Dekalb from the Q. The N and D also had more transfer points along 4th Ave. No longer would they need to transfer to an N train first and hope that the R was waiting to meet it at 59th.By combining it with the J there would no longer be the connection to the 1 FWIW, but more than that there would be all kinds of operational issues that would just make it hard. For one thing it is a very long run, and another is they don't use the same fleet. You would still need the same number of crews too since there is no overlap being eliminated. You would have to schedule things so that the trains end up in the appropriate sections at the end of the night. My guess is that the Nassau St line is pretty deserted late nights, for that matter it was pretty deserted in rush hour when the M ran to Bay Parkway, so that isn't even a consideration. The demand there is close to zero. It was never about that, but always about transfers from the rest of the system as I stated above. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 13 04:43:02 2022, in response to Re: Atlantic Avenue (L) Station, posted by jabrams on Sun Feb 7 13:11:01 2016. You forgot they would not have to since BOTH lines would have in this scenario been running to Broadway Junction, just stopping on different platforms. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 13 13:26:06 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by twarrior3dc on Fri Feb 5 10:21:28 2016. Nobody rides an R train to midtown. Either they use it to access an express(D/N) or they need a direct route to Boro Hall and lower Manhattan. It doesn't matter if the additional route is Broadway or Nassau St....though the latter does give some more flexibility. Operationally a weekday W extended to 9th Ave makes sense. W trains can lay up at 38th St or run to/from CI yard. |
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(Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 13 15:58:11 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 13 13:26:06 2022. That would be an option (running the (W) from 9th Avenue) and it is something I would consider as part of moving the (R) to Nassau as I previously described elsewhere, in this case the abandoned northbound side at Canal Street and Bowery would reopen with Canal Street remade into the terminal it once was (for trains coming off the Willy B) with Canal becoming the weekday terminal for an (R) that would operate out of East New York, including in-service runs from/to Broadway Junction with nights/weekends such (R) extended to Metropolitan Avenue, absorbing the night and weekend (M) shuttles). The way I would do it was not possible prior to the work that was done in 2004 that allowed for the abandonment of the northbound side at Canal and Bowery that would be re-activated for this as this (R) would terminate there and give Bay Ridge pols what they had wanted previously, the (R) being split.In this scenario, as I previously proposed, half of the (W) trains would terminate at Whitehall as they do now and the other half continue to 9th Avenue on the (D) to terminate as it would take over as the full-time Broadway local to 71-Continental (and in this scenario, the (W) actually could be a 24/7 line with all trains nights and weekends operating from/to 9th Avenue while the (N) operates via the bridge at all times). |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 13 19:09:04 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 13 13:26:06 2022. The RR is only meant to get you to an "express"🙄 train, or to get on or off a local stop. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 13 20:48:49 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 13 19:09:04 2022. Yep....unless you work in the financial district. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 01:15:15 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 13 20:48:49 2022. I liked getting one of the "banker's specials" that ran up the Broad Street line. Even until early 1987, they ran dilapidated R-16s . Took them to 36th Street instead of 59th Street, that's how much I liked them. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 05:16:22 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 01:15:15 2022. I thought the R-16s were retired earlier. I don't remember seeing them at all after 1983 or so except being scrapped. |
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Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 14 05:57:25 2022, in response to (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 13 15:58:11 2022. WALLYHORSE!!! You still do not learn and do not get it!Give your idiotic and damn ideas of giving headaches, stomach aches and leg cramps of changing the transit system around the Lower Manhattan area, particularly dealing at Whitehall and Broad Streets, and burying or cremate them all!!! With a damn financial crisis that is upcoming in a few years, the MTA cannot take that risk in following along with any one of your inane proposals that would give ultimate and upmost confusion to the riders just for your foolish pleasure and own satisfaction. And so it goes!!! -William A. Padron ["Whitehall Street Station, (R)(W)(1), until 12/30/2022"] |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 14 07:02:18 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 05:16:22 2022. In the Fall of 1986 the R-16 was all over the M line. They filled in for the R-30 which was being overhauled and painted red until they were ready for service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 14 11:09:15 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 05:16:22 2022. R16s were officially retired in 1987. By late 1986 the remaining units were being dragged to death on the M. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 14 11:09:49 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 01:15:15 2022. Back then the M was an express on 4th Ave. |
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Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Dec 14 14:55:05 2022, in response to Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 14 05:57:25 2022. +100 |
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Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 16:29:53 2022, in response to Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 14 05:57:25 2022. Again:It's satisfying pols in Bay Ridge who wanted the (R) split into two lines because of the (R) being known as the "rarely" in many cases because it gets so badly delayed. Shortening it to Canal on the Nassau Line on weekdays would likely END a lot of that long-running issue (and even running it nights and weekends to Metropolitan to absorb the (M) shuttles is still shorter than Queens Boulevard with fewer mergers). And even with half of the (W) trains going to 9th Avenue on the (D) solves most of the issue of those going to the west side of lower Manhattan as those south of 36th and do a same platform platform transfer anywhere between 36th and Court. That right there solves a lot of issues with the (R) by switching it to Nassau. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 17:09:47 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 05:16:22 2022. I remember them as the extras on the RR on the morning rush until April/May 1987. Never saw them after that |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 17:11:54 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 14 11:09:49 2022. I only remember them as locals from 36th Street to De Kalb Avenue. |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Dec 14 17:31:46 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 05:16:22 2022. Thy ran on the Chambers St 'brown R' until the end in 1987. Absolute rolling wrecks covered in graffiti, dim or burned out lights, a total disaster. |
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Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 14 17:35:44 2022, in response to Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 14 16:29:53 2022. Oh, [BLEEP] those Bay Ridge pols! They do not know how to operate a transit system. You tell them to keep those sleazy and grimy fingers off the (R) in anyway shape or form.Sending the (R) to Canal would have to require taking cars from the East New York pool (instead of Jamaica Yard), and cutting them to 8-car from 10-car trains. Also, the MTA would have to spend a good chunk of capital dollars in making the easternmost side of the station as a suitable terminal, installing new trackage and switches, provide a crew room, etc. Do not forget about the Williamsburg Bridge, which is now to subject to more weekend closures in the future, based upon the plans of NYC DOT. Besides, the trains over the Willy B do have to go at a slower pace on that ancient structure. Sending even half the (W) runs to 9th Avenue is counterproductive, as that line was made actually to *satisfy* (hey, your term) the Astoria residents to get a direct ride into Manhattan during the weekday hours. Four different routes sharing on the BMT 4th Avenue Line would cause more delays at around the 36th Street interlocking area. Now you try to read those lines in between as what I had responded here. -William A. Padron ["Queens-Forest Hills"] |
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Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 14 17:45:59 2022, in response to Re: (Originally posted 2016) Moving the R to Nassau/making the W full-time, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 14 17:35:44 2022. I doubt that there are any “pols” who are actually advocating any of this, except in Wallyhorse’s mind. |
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Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 14 18:00:28 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Dec 14 17:11:54 2022. Was express until 1994. N trains ran local weekdays while the M ran. |
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