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Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?

Posted by zac on Tue Dec 13 02:31:15 2022, in response to Re: J line extension to Bay Ridge after Second Avenue subway opens?, posted by Handbrake on Mon Dec 12 20:30:32 2022.

I don't think this is the point about trying to extend the J to 95th St overnight. It is more that the J terminates at Broad St and the R terminates at Whitehall, and this would join the two lines into one. The R was extended a few years back to Whitehall from the former terminal at 36th St (or was it 59th?) so that Bay Ridge residents wouldn't need to take 3 trains late at night. Whitehall St gave them direct transfer to the 1, Jay St/Metrotech to the A/F, Atlantic/Barclays to the 2/4, plus the transfer at Dekalb from the Q. The N and D also had more transfer points along 4th Ave. No longer would they need to transfer to an N train first and hope that the R was waiting to meet it at 59th.

By combining it with the J there would no longer be the connection to the 1 FWIW, but more than that there would be all kinds of operational issues that would just make it hard. For one thing it is a very long run, and another is they don't use the same fleet. You would still need the same number of crews too since there is no overlap being eliminated. You would have to schedule things so that the trains end up in the appropriate sections at the end of the night.

My guess is that the Nassau St line is pretty deserted late nights, for that matter it was pretty deserted in rush hour when the M ran to Bay Parkway, so that isn't even a consideration. The demand there is close to zero. It was never about that, but always about transfers from the rest of the system as I stated above.

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