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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 23 08:50:25 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. Someone thinks it is, and is willing to spend our money to do it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 09:49:30 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. Not Helvetica. Not even close. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 10:13:53 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 09:49:30 2015. Much closer to Futura Medium Condensed, but not exactly. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 23 10:15:54 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. It's part of the MTA's plan to implement manual ATO. It's how you enforce a speed curve without ATC. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 10:22:32 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 23 10:15:54 2015. How do you have "manual" ATO. You mean tripcocks? |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 23 10:23:50 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 09:49:30 2015. That's not what he wrote.K2-593A, in the FHWA-B typeface (Either this or Helvetica seems to be indicative of new signals these days) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:25:16 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. Coming into a bumper block. Yes it is required. Without it the train may try to ride up the escalator. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:30:25 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. Were there new signals on the other track as well? |
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Posted by priya12 on Mon Nov 23 10:31:30 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:25:16 2015. Horse shit! When did a train hit the block at that location last? They are just finding ways to slow the system down and waste money on stuff that has no real purpose. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:50:01 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by priya12 on Mon Nov 23 10:31:30 2015. When did a train hit the block at that location last?Would a similar location count? 
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:58:41 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by priya12 on Mon Nov 23 10:31:30 2015. The issue is not "that location" The issue is the correct protocol for entering a terminal against a bumper block. This is the same along all railroad and transit systems: Stop 5 car lengths out, stop again 1 car length out. Thses signals just enforce this, but go look at any NYCT terminal, and you will see these same signals present. So they rebuilded this one. So What? OK, I do not recall NYCT comming to a full stop 5 cars out, but the signal is there, and if you are too fast at that point you will be tripped.ROAR |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Nov 23 11:10:54 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by priya12 on Mon Nov 23 10:31:30 2015. Horse shit!This accident shows what can happen. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 23 13:23:37 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 23 10:23:50 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 13:36:35 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon Nov 23 10:23:50 2015. I stand corrected. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 23 15:23:24 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:58:41 2015. I remember when IRT and BMT terminals did not have any GT signals entering terminals at all, and I was always amazed at the speed some of the IRT M/M I knew would enter the terminal at V/C despite the TA rules that specified that trains were not to exceed 15 MPH (a speed limit which has been reduced over the years) entering terminals ending in bumping blocks. The IND seems to be the first division that had timers entering its terminals and over the years as signals on the other divisions were upgraded, timers were added at the terminals. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 23 15:30:48 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:50:01 2015. Beat me to it! :) |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 15:44:25 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:50:01 2015. The motorman believed that there was a station at 176th Street! |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Nov 23 17:08:17 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. Yes, based upon my past and recent visits to Lefferts, the curve there is considered a bit more tighter on that side, when entering into the terminal at that point towards the bumper block. There is also a "Blind Stop" [K2-594A] sign, and coming soon past way there is the ADA elevator to be installed, as part of the station's renovation (along with new street entrance stairways). The signals on track K1 has not been changed at this time, though.-William A. Padron ["K1-595'} |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Nov 23 17:10:33 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 10:22:32 2015. Yes, there is a blind stop sign there (K2-594A). The nighttime Euclid-Lefferts shuttle service is said to operate as an OPTO.-William A. Padron ["N-141"] |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 23 22:33:19 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by SLRT on Mon Nov 23 10:22:32 2015. You have so many timers that there is no ability for the operator to do anything except the proscribed speed curve. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Nov 23 22:36:20 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:58:41 2015. Yes, but when the policy is unenforced then the service begins to reflect the more efficient terminal stops. When contract times rolls around the system is then disrupted by rulebook slowdowns. The MTA has been systematically forcing the system to work to rule to take away that leverage. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Nov 24 00:13:22 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:30:25 2015. There was a train on the other track. As I wanted to be on that train when it left, I didn't check. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Nov 24 02:15:20 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Nov 23 10:58:41 2015. This is the same along all railroad and transit systems: Stop 5 car lengths out, stop again 1 car length out.Emphasis mine, but that is not the case. |
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Posted by sloth on Tue Nov 24 13:27:39 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by WillD on Tue Nov 24 02:15:20 2015. In revenue service that's a bad idea. A conductor not paying attention might see platform and pop the doors open. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Nov 24 13:40:40 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by sloth on Tue Nov 24 13:27:39 2015. But if he has to point at the conductor board PLUS he or she should have a backup pointing at the conductor to confirm that the conductor is pointing at the conductor board.Of course, how many systems still have conductors? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Nov 24 13:42:10 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. ... with K2-593B-BS on the left side of the track ...See? Even the repeater is acknowledging it's BS. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 24 20:11:33 2015, in response to Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Nov 23 08:20:39 2015. As far as I am concerned, they can put whatever signals are necessary to keep the train from going past the bumper block. Maybe a camera or two wouldn't hurt either; post the pictures on Facebook so everyone knows ho sped past the bumper block. For that matter, they can position a trained marksman there if that will keep train operators from speeding, even if it isn't that many that do it. You don't get a "do-over" or an extra life if the train goes past the bumper block, unless you're Sylvester the cat. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 24 20:26:20 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 24 20:11:33 2015.  |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Nov 24 21:02:51 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 24 20:11:33 2015. Of course, there's the infamous picture of the Standard that is hanging over the edge at 168th st I believe.... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 24 21:36:49 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:50:01 2015. Hey Moe, I dropped a truck!!!! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Nov 24 21:44:26 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Nov 24 21:02:51 2015. See this old post....car #2570http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=962768 |
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Posted by jrf2 on Wed Nov 25 06:33:20 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by SLRT on Tue Nov 24 13:40:40 2015. I haven't seen anything mentioned about the door enablers. If the operator doesn't hit the button, can the conductor still open the doors? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 25 10:09:25 2015, in response to Re: Is all this extra signaling really necessary?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Nov 23 10:50:01 2015. I wonder how they got that back from the edge?? Call in a crane, cut it up?? Drag it back & re-attach the truck??Just wonderin. |
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