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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 10:51:58 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Aug 18 20:59:21 2015. The problem with extending the subway further out in Queens is trip time. You'd have to get the Queens super express built in order to make any eastward subway extension from Jamaica viable. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Aug 21 10:52:00 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Aug 21 10:33:28 2015. no problem,they IND tunnels extend down 66th.ave for over a train length with track,3rd rail & signals in the west bound tunnel.you would have to deep bore under an apt.house that was built right over the ROW at the end of 66th.ave. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Aug 21 11:10:13 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 10:51:58 2015. The problem with extending the subway further out in Queens is trip time. You'd have to get the Queens super express built in order to make any eastward subway extension from Jamaica viable.Yes and no. Total trip time will decrease without a super express, over current running times for bus/subway trips. However, a super express that cuts running time will generate a housing boom for the areas around the subway extensions. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:15:29 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 17:55:39 2015. I agree with what you're saying time wise. The subway growth should be limited to a certain range in terms of trip time to Manhattan. Rockaway is a problem though. It's a painfully long ride into Manhattan (especially when relying on the shuttle as well), but I'd hazard a guess saying most of the population would not be able to afford LIRR fares, even at full time city ticket. Also, LIRR would be less convenient because even though you have a faster ride to midtown, if you don't work within walking distance of NYP or GCT, you're shit outta luck. Station spacing in the Rockaways is also far less than any others on the LIRR.The only way LIRR to there could work is if it ran with frequent headways at a far lower fare with a free connection to the subway. Someone here can do the math on which ends up costing the city more. My fairly uneducated gut is saying to get a Queens super express done and run a portion of Rockaway service (and any eastern Queens extensions) via that to keep trip times tolerable. Also, the PW branch does a fantastic job of serving Queens, probably the best of any LIRR branch with city zone stops. However, I do agree, the PW (along with the others) need to be beefed up at their city zone stops. I made a post a while back suggesting 20 min headways and full time city ticket with a free transfer to the subway. The other thing that some have said here is that everything within NYC should be a singular fare, and allow transfers between all of them. It's certainly be an interesting concept and I'd be curious to see it's costs vs benefits. If that's done, it would at least solve the fare issue for a Rockaway LIRR service. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Aug 21 11:20:17 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Aug 21 10:52:00 2015. you would have to deep bore under an apt.house that was built right over the ROW at the end of 66th.ave.That depends on how deep bedrock is. That apartment house is about 1/4 mile from Queens Blv. That gives only 40 feet worth of descending at a 3% grade. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:44:07 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 17:59:01 2015. I invite you to research the Central Railroad of Long Island |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:44:43 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 19 23:59:31 2015. NYC should certainly be financing increased LIRR service from city zone stations as an alternative to building subways to those same areas. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 18:47:08 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Aug 21 07:40:14 2015. The ride is long, and subway cars aren't comfortable for long rides compared to commuter rail equipment. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 18:47:34 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by frilter199 on Fri Aug 21 09:21:37 2015. No, actually, it doesn't. Secaucus fits into the mold of the NYC subway, Rockaway doesn't. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 18:49:03 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Aug 21 11:10:13 2015. Time wise, the 7 train might make sense to extend a little bit. Other than that, I don't see where subway extensions make sense. Maybe new lines to serve currently underserved areas, but not extensions. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 18:54:07 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:44:07 2015. You're talking the line from Garden City to Farmingdale? That line should absolutely be re-opened. I don't think it's a replacement for the main line triple-tracking, however. It would be incredible to have 100mph expresses run from Ronkonkoma through that line. Combine that with flyovers at Jamaica, and you'd have a seriously fast run. It would also bring a lot more people within a short distance of LIRR service in that area. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Aug 21 19:54:27 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:15:29 2015. I think that's more of an argument for a better system for in-city fares, be it a single unified fare, or a cheaper version of the existing fair system. I wouldn't say that you're shit out of luck. With LIRR, people could take the train via Far Rockaway, and end up in Jamaica, or they could go the RBB direction and connect to the A or J trains. With a restored connection to the Atlantic Ave line, people could go that way and take various subways. If my crazy foamer Subway and LIRR two tracks each plan could be pulled off, that would give cross-connectivity to the Queens Blvd line. Even without that, people would have more options to go more places than the way it is currently, which was basically a bizarre and desperate move to maintain some sort of service to Rockaway, even if it wasn't the right kind of service.It should rapid-transit-like frequency via a combination of shuttle trains that go up the Far Rockaway branch, and then up close to Rego Park, through trains to Atlantic Avenue, Far Rockaway trains to Jamaica, and of course trains to Manhattan via the RBB. The PW branch has ZERO stops between Shitti Field and the Main Line. There was to be an opportunity for a few stations in there. Sure, it serves the outer portion well, but no the inner portion. Yeah, that would be a interesting option, and it would solve the fare issue on RBB. I'm not sure how exactly you'd administer a system that spans onboard and offboard fare collection, but I'm sure someone could figure that out... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 22 19:31:31 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 17:55:39 2015. Still think that would work better as an (L) to Secaucus instead of the (7). That likely would provide major incentive for the Eastern Division stations to be lengthened to handle 10-car trains if the (L) were extended to New Jersey. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 07:10:21 2015, in response to (L) to New Jersey, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 22 19:31:31 2015. No market.People in New Jersey want to go to mid-Manhattan, not 14th Street. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 07:37:30 2015, in response to (L) to New Jersey, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Aug 22 19:31:31 2015. No, No, and NO!It is true that MUCH MORE service across the Hudson (North River) is required. Here is was the LION would do to fix this TODAY. CLOSE THE LINCOLN TUNNEL TO ALL BUT BUSES. CLOSE THE AVENUES AND STREETS Between the Lincoln and the PABT, except to buses. Run shuttle beese between existing (Medowlands) parking and Manhattan via the Lincoln. Eliminate parking ans stopping on 57, 42, and 34 streets, these are now bus lanes. Shuttle beese make loops between parking and these streets. Let these be Port Authority shuttle beese. Red Beese for 57th Street, Green Beese for 42nd Street, Blue Beese for 34th Street and Orange beese for Westside to WTC. This can be done as fast as the beese can be purchased. There is a parking fee for Park and ride terminals in NJ which includes the bus fares. Daily, Weekly, Monthly, and per use cards are available. Prices discount accordingly. Base fee (daily) is $25.00, ($15 parking and $5.00 each way on the shuttle beese.) All Trucks MUST use the GEOWASH, Only cars and some franchies bees in the HOLTUN. LOOK, LION uses LINCTUN while on vacation and it seems to be more than 50% beese as is. Cars in the LINCTUN get diverted to the new parking facilities (and there is plenty of meadowland out ther for building all of the parking anybody could desire). And if you are coming from Brooklyn you could use the BATTUN! : ) ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 09:27:43 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 07:37:30 2015. All wrong. But I think you knew that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 09:30:41 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 07:10:21 2015. That's silly. Transfer capability of the subway makes crosstown extremely viable due to crossing all the uptown/downtown lines.NYC provinciality strikes again; if they didn't want the railroads crossing into the city (which is what the steam ban was about), they could have sent the crosstown subways there after McAdoo proved the concept. After all, how many East River crossings are there for heavy rail? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 10:51:04 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 09:30:41 2015. Too many transfers. L from Secaucus is one. To another subway is another. Not a big deal for the #7 since many are headed to within distance of 42nd Street. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 10:52:41 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 07:37:30 2015. Yes, we need 4 train tunnels across the Hudson: 2 traditional RR, 2 rapid transit. Things have changed a bit in the last 110 years. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 11:40:46 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 07:37:30 2015. Spoken like a true urban planner- from a Dakota monastery! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 23 11:45:37 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 07:10:21 2015. From a previous message:"People in New Jersey want to go to mid-Manhattan, not 14th Street.' I do not believe that is a completely true statement. I believe that people - in general - have travel needs and will use the available transit and/or transportation to get them where they need to go. Transportation is a means to an end - not the end itself. It is not that folks are wedded (until death do us part) to a particular pathway, simply because they love that pathway, but because that pathway is useful toward their needs. There are plenty of people that work in midtown. It is funny how 14th Street in your definition is NOT considered "mid-town". That's funny because during the several turf wars on this forum 14th Street was often called "midtown" when it suited their aims. It's also funny because 14th Street was sure as hell not called, "downtown" in those turf wars! My major point is: YES - plenty of people work in "midtown" however defined. And YES - plenty of people work in "downtown" however defined. And YES - plenty of people may walk from Grand Central Station/Terminal, or PA Bus Terminal, or Penn Station, or Atlantic Avenue to their destinations. It can not be denied that PLENTY of those folks also take the subways to their destinations - there is sure as hell a lot of folks both getting on and off the subways at those stations! The transportation systems at Grand Central Terminal, or PA Bus Terminal, or Penn Station, or Atlantic Avenue has the task of bring riders into NYC - it has become the job of the subways, local buses, streets and sidewalks to distribute those folks THROUGH the business district to their final destinations. A transportation system like the PATH in Manhattan does a bit of both of those roles. There are plenty of folk from New Jersey who travel about Manhattan for work, shopping and other needs - and they do not feel bound or "trapped" to only traveling on one street just because their train or bus terminal is not that street. Kind of silly idea just has to be stopped - quickly. Please! I've worked for years with folks from New Jersey who worked on 125th Street even though they used the trains from Penn Station! They certainly did not feel "stuck" to one street! Or in any "bound" to midtown! Here's an example, when the damage at the WTC was extensive and the PATH trains were limited to only traveling to 33rd Street, plenty of folk from New Jersey were getting both off and on the PATH trains at the Christopher Street station from the subways - because that was pathway to/from home. Why? Because that's where the station was! People tend to find where the stations are located, and to use them. Mike |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 23 11:50:54 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 23 11:45:37 2015. I often take the L and get on or off at one of its stations in Manhattan. I am very familiar with all 5 stations.Yes, there are quite a few people who come in from Brooklyn and get off at 1st Ave or 3rd Ave, indicating they are not transferring to another train. But even many of those switch to a bus. And yes, there are people who get off at Union Square, 6th Ave, or 8th Ave, and go directly outside, and don't switch to a bus. But the overwhelming majority of current L train passengers switch to another transit line on getting off their train. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 11:55:51 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 23 11:50:54 2015. How many cars would these "L" trains have to/from NJ? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 12:09:21 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 09:27:43 2015. Nothing wrong, or impossible with my proposal. Objectionable, yes, I can buy that, but wrong? nope do not buy that. Impossible, nope don't buy that either.Practicle. Very. Necessary, YES. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 12:09:58 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 11:40:46 2015. : ) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 12:10:58 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 11:40:46 2015. Well if a New Jersey professor can suggest a Buffalo Commons out here, I guess it is a fair turnabout.ROAR |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 23 12:13:05 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 07:37:30 2015. CLOSE THE AVENUES AND STREETS Between the Lincoln and the PABT, except to buses.There already are bus only ramps from the Lincoln Tunnel portal to the PABT. These ramps do not cross any streets at grade. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Aug 23 12:17:11 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 18 22:15:57 2015. Rockaway is something special. it should be commuter rail. wkis? pc-uncorrect as it is, commuter rail would help keep out the riff raff. obviously, that includes me. but direct limited stop service to Penn station and flatbush terminal, excuse me, Atlantic terminal means, finally, "fiscally advantageous" redevelopment. with a vengeance... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 12:38:10 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 23 11:45:37 2015. If "people in New Jersey want(ed) to go to mid-Manhattan" exclusively (they don't), then the PATH train going to the WTC would be empty. And it certainly is not. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 23 13:40:07 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 23 11:50:54 2015. I vividly remember how 8th Ave.-bound trains would just empty at Union Square. People would POUR out of them. Once in a while, we'd bail, too - for a nice express sprint t0 34th St. or Times Square on a Norton. This was the late 60s, mind you - when the BMT standards were still around. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 14:02:56 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 23 13:40:07 2015. all true when observed, but as we have seen the once ghostly Canarsie Line (I was often alone on the WB platform at 1st Ave in the middle of a weekday) the L is a busy route late into the evening and wee hours. I believe that if it were extended to NJ we would benefit in two different ways. First, of course, we would open another option for crossing the river and if the far end terminal were properly designed, we would be able to support higher TPH. Win-win--no loss. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:14:07 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 12:38:10 2015. We were talking about just 14th verses 42nd Street. There is no contest. Lower Manhattan is a different discussion altogether. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:16:49 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 11:55:51 2015. Square footage, an 8 car 480' long train is about on par with an "A" Division 11 car train.But we could mix up all the NTT trainsets, do a lot of CBTC cab signal swapping, and run 9 car L (and 9 car C), with some minor platform cleaning up or extensions. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:19:33 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 14:02:56 2015. Extending any subway line to NJ is a hard sell politically and financially, especially with Gateway sucking up all the oxygen in the room, much as I think we need both right now. But the #7 is easier, commercially, relatively speaking. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:21:39 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 23 12:13:05 2015. With the Port Authority being what it is, and AAA's political power, forget about even a 2nd bus lane. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 23 14:24:27 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 14:02:56 2015. if the far end terminal were properly designed, we would be able to support higher TPH.There's a much easier way to increase tph on the 14th St Line than extending the line past 8th Ave or even rebuilding the 8th Ave Station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:59:17 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 23 11:45:37 2015. During the 1980 subway strike, PATH was running special, non-stop 33rd - WTC trains. I worked at Worth Street. But I rode a Hoboken train to Christopher and walked 20 - 25 minutes to avoid crowds. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 15:36:47 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ntrainride on Sun Aug 23 12:17:11 2015. I think people you might consider "riff raff" are already living in parts of the Rockaways. Plus, outside of the commuter benefit, has anyone considered how this is going to affect seasonal traffic to the beaches? Having the less accessible and more expensive LIRR supply the service isn't going to help. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 23 15:44:24 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 12:10:58 2015. "Buffalo Commons, next stop, Buffalo Commons!" |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Aug 23 16:19:55 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 23 12:13:05 2015. ALL lower level buses cross at grade.ROAR |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 16:27:00 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:19:33 2015. no argument there |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 23 16:28:46 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Aug 23 14:24:27 2015. Cleaning up the operational constraints. Fallback staffing w/o "fumigation for starters. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 23 17:13:35 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 10:51:04 2015. How about those headed for the financial district? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 23 17:30:11 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 23 17:13:35 2015. PATH? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Aug 23 18:06:54 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 15:36:47 2015. my point being, and this is a poor man speaking, my point is, must everything always be planned for the lowest common denominator, so to speak? clean Atlantic ocean beaches are a huge benefit to the entire city. Worthy of paying extra to get there. don't forget, for many years you had to pay another token to exit the train, all along the penninsular. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Sun Aug 23 19:56:14 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ntrainride on Sun Aug 23 12:17:11 2015. Well, the "riff-raff" need to go places too. I think there should be an effort to beef up LIRR service in the city, and to have it available at a more reasonable price. Maybe not integrated with MetroCard, but have one price that is available for either MN or LIRR within the city proper.That is quite true, some of the areas along the line might start to gentrify, which would bring new development and more tax revenue for the city. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 20:26:35 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 23 17:30:11 2015. Based on anecdotal evidence, yup. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 21:07:41 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ntrainride on Sun Aug 23 18:06:54 2015. It isn't necessarily the lowest common denominator I'm aiming for, it's just accessibility for people in general, both to and from the Rockaways. A subway line going to Queens Blvd would open up more neighborhoods to the Rockaways via subway and vice versa. An LIRR line, however, would be less beneficial just by being less accessible and less frequent, plus it would make the trip for Brooklyn residents (like along the A) more cumbersome. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 23 21:43:36 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 23 09:30:41 2015. The idea is, it would be about ALL of the subway lines, NOT just those near 42nd Street.Also, having the (L) go to Secaucus has the potential to open up 14th Street and parts of Brooklyn the (L) goes through even more. Being able to travel to New Jersey straight from parts of Brooklyn and back to there could prove very beneficial. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Aug 23 21:47:11 2015, in response to Re: (L) to New Jersey, posted by Joe V on Sun Aug 23 14:16:49 2015. Absolutely.Platform extensions would be REAL minor since those stations were built to handle eight-car trains of Standards where each car was 67 feet long, or 534 feet. As it is, 9-car trains can work in most Eastern Division stations albeit with a tight fit. |
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