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Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Aug 21 11:15:29 2015, in response to Re: What's the obsession with making the subway go EVERYWHERE?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 17:55:39 2015.

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I agree with what you're saying time wise. The subway growth should be limited to a certain range in terms of trip time to Manhattan. Rockaway is a problem though. It's a painfully long ride into Manhattan (especially when relying on the shuttle as well), but I'd hazard a guess saying most of the population would not be able to afford LIRR fares, even at full time city ticket. Also, LIRR would be less convenient because even though you have a faster ride to midtown, if you don't work within walking distance of NYP or GCT, you're shit outta luck. Station spacing in the Rockaways is also far less than any others on the LIRR.

The only way LIRR to there could work is if it ran with frequent headways at a far lower fare with a free connection to the subway. Someone here can do the math on which ends up costing the city more. My fairly uneducated gut is saying to get a Queens super express done and run a portion of Rockaway service (and any eastern Queens extensions) via that to keep trip times tolerable.

Also, the PW branch does a fantastic job of serving Queens, probably the best of any LIRR branch with city zone stops. However, I do agree, the PW (along with the others) need to be beefed up at their city zone stops. I made a post a while back suggesting 20 min headways and full time city ticket with a free transfer to the subway.

The other thing that some have said here is that everything within NYC should be a singular fare, and allow transfers between all of them. It's certainly be an interesting concept and I'd be curious to see it's costs vs benefits. If that's done, it would at least solve the fare issue for a Rockaway LIRR service.

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