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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:36:16 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 19:18:38 2015. I'm not sure exactly what the flood zones look like, but there is lots of land in NYC that is underutilized,You can view them yourself on NYC's OASIS. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:43:28 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 06:50:33 2015. With the Sandy argument, we should evacuate and abandon the whole Jersey Coast from Seabright to Cape May and the Passaic River towns (Bound Brook now has a flood wall).Clearly that's not at all what I said. I did not say anywhere should be abandoned. But what does need to be considered is the impact of a flood on a given parcel of upzoned land and how that will affect the investment made to take advantage of the zoning for greater density. Queens and Brooklyn may be able to be upzoned from single family and attached homes to something with greater density, but the investment in those properties must be weighed against the potential for loss in flooding. There is little land within those boroughs that isn't part of a potential flood zone. OTOH NJ has areas which are available for upzoning and aren't in danger of being declared total losses after a good rain storm. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:45:16 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by shiznit1987 on Tue Aug 18 16:09:28 2015. It's the guys running on the platform of "small" government who keep expanding the size and expense of the federal government, so I guess I must be voting the right way voting Democratic. |
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Posted by PegLegGuy on Wed Aug 19 06:53:53 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:31:24 2015. ... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:05:26 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by shiznit1987 on Tue Aug 18 18:37:41 2015. NJ is the one that has had its credit downgraded 9 times since Fatso came into being. They are about as bad as Illinois.Why would NYC want to mimic that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:08:38 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 20:58:57 2015. People cannot afford to. A property is not a liquid asset. It's value going going up does not mean you have the cash to pay or got a raise at work for the higher value. That's why NJ's middle class is fleeing to PA, DE, and NC.What is local government going to do with the windfall ? Widen the roads to build more sprawl ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:10:49 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Aug 18 20:58:54 2015. Wrong.Higher county, municipal, and school tax receipts do not help the NJ economy; they help those government treasuries, not a penny of which makes it to NJT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:13:25 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:16:51 2015. Hudson Waterfront has Exchange Place, served by PATH, HBLRT, and a Manhattan skyline of office buildings and apartments.Living in the 1980's you forgot that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 19 07:22:39 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:13:25 2015. He forgot nothing. He knows more on this subject than you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 19 07:26:16 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:31:24 2015. Own3d. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:36:22 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:23:19 2015. Oh, please stop with this one seat ride crap. This is not Philadelphia. There is no such thing. If you want a one seat ride, drive to a parking deck on Madison Avenue. You forgot the subway transfers.The Raritan Line had grown 80% between 1992 and 2008, and they did nothing about a one seat ride. The M&E merely recovered from the huge losses of early 80's re-electrification, and Lakeland and Community Coach, with their free buses purchased by NJT, went kicking and screaming. The M&E is 1/3 of the North River tunnel traffic, so about 1% of the Manhattan job market. It is still irrelevant. NOBODY heading to lower Manhattan will stop going to Hoboken and PATH and instead go to NYPS and pay another $90 a month for a longer trip. If the purpose of Gateway is to depopulate Hoboken and PATH, it should not get funded. What is your obsession about taking everyone into NYPS ? The subway stations there are jammed enough as it is, and you want to stick another 100,000 people through there. You need to get over this central station hub focus so popular with planner types and start thinking of distributed networks. This is not Philadelphia and not Chicago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:44:26 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:31:24 2015. Lakeland and Community are doing just fine. They shifted some buses around. The MD trains from Montclair do not do as well, especially off-peak.It has had virtually no impact on the RVL off-peak. 57% of the RVL's riders don't even go to NYPS, and there is little bus competition. The 2 heaviest loading stations get the 113. The PABT and XBL is still over capacity. What about all the bus areas not served by trains ? What about Paramus, Freehold, Phillipsburg ? There aren't going to be any more rail lines in NJ for another 30 years at least. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:49:38 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:43:28 2015. Woodhaven, Richmomnd Hill, Kew Gardens, Forest Hills, Rego Park, Bushwick, Ridgewood, and Williamsburgh did not flood and their population is increasing. I don't know why you are even bringing flood thing up.NJ is not upzoning in any significant way. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:12:23 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:36:22 2015. Oh, please stop with this one seat ride crap.No, he should not and will not stop, because he's correct. If you want a one seat ride, drive to a parking deck on Madison Avenue. You forgot the subway transfers.WRONG. We're talking about a one-seat ride into the CBD. You obviously don't know anything about Transportation Planning. Circulation within the CBD is a different issue. The M&E is 1/3 of the North River tunnel traffic, so about 1% of the Manhattan job market. It is still irrelevant.WRONG. It's not irrelevant at all. NOBODY heading to lower Manhattan will stop going to Hoboken and PATH and instead go to NYPS and pay another $90 a month for a longer trip.WRONG. I'm sure some people will. What is your obsession about taking everyone into NYPS ? The subway stations there are jammed enough as it is, and you want to stick another 100,000 people through there. You need to get over this central station hub focus so popular with planner types and start thinking of distributed networks.WRONG. WillD wants to do other stuff, but NYPS is all there is in Manhattan right now so that's what he has to work with. This is not Philadelphia and not Chicago.Irrelevant. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 08:15:39 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:12:23 2015. Being your usual no-nothing pest as usual.I will not waste my time arguing with a stupid troll like you. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:20:20 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 08:15:39 2015. So what you're really saying is that I'm right and you're wrong because you have no coherent rebuttal to my coherent response to your incorrect post. You're welcome. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 08:26:25 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:20:20 2015. As I said, you are too stupid to argue with, have nothing to contribute, so no, I will not argue with you point by pint. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:54:50 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 08:26:25 2015. So what you're really saying is that I'm right and you're wrong because you have no coherent rebuttal to my coherent response to your incorrect post. You're welcome. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Aug 19 14:31:40 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Sun Aug 16 20:16:06 2015. +1 |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 15:40:54 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:43:28 2015. Right. No one should be building on floodable land. Unless they can build a design that will withstand the flooding (like a parking garage underneath for the water). |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Aug 19 15:41:05 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Mon Aug 17 16:35:02 2015. Haha you couldn't be more wrong. If workers from NJ can't get into Manhattan, then the companies have no choice but to move to NJ. Not saying all employees in Manhattan are from NJ, but they count for a huge part of the workforce and losing them means a huge blow to NYC and NY state economies |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 16:03:17 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:16:51 2015. I'm not talking about replacing PATH, just a supplement. NYC's ferry system is pathetic for a city that has water everywhere. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:58:01 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Aug 19 15:41:05 2015. "but they count for a huge part of the workforce and losing them means a huge blow to NYC and NY state economies"No they aren't a huge part of the NYC workforce, and as Steve Baumann pointed out, 84% of them don't come in via Penn Station. Companies would be all too happy to excess whoever cannot get to work on time and higher younger blood. They lay people off like they put out the recycling. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 19 17:08:25 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 16:03:17 2015. NYC's ferry system is pathetic for a city that has water everywhere.The water isn't in the places where people want to be, except for the WFC and Wall Street terminals. Who really wants to travel to a pier in midtown? It's a long schlep to most office buildings. And the ferry buses are slow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 19 17:10:57 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:58:01 2015. Gobbledegook. The more people are put out of work, the fewer can consume the products of the companies that lay them off.Claiming that a scant 16 percent of NJ commuters to NYC come in via Penn Station is absurd. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 19 17:16:50 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 19 17:10:57 2015. Claiming that a scant 16 percent of NJ commuters to NYC come in via Penn Station is absurd.PABT. PATH. Lincoln and Holland tunnels by car. GWB. Outerbridge and Goethals. Why is 16% absurd? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 17:18:02 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 19 17:10:57 2015. Both are facts, like it or not. You have none of your own.Companies don't give shit about the economy, just in their share price. You should have figured that out by now. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 22:45:44 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 19 17:08:25 2015. Manhattan is literally surrounded by water. As is SI. And a good chunk of Brooklyn. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 20:05:47 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 16:58:01 2015. Interesting, what percentage of the NYC workforce, according to Steve Baumann, is from NJ? And what are the other modes and their share of the NJ<->NY market? To me, 16% while the PABT and Lincoln Tunnel are maxed out indicates a change needs to be made in NJ badly. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 20:49:07 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Aug 19 22:45:44 2015. Yes, but the parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn that people want to go to (the employment centers) are not always near the water. In downtown Manhattan yes, but for midtown, not so much. Same goes for downtown Brooklyn |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 20:57:41 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 19 17:08:25 2015. I hate to say it, but I agree 100% regarding your statement on midtown. That may change a bit with the far west side being developed, but E 34th st will always remain an especially idiotic location for a ferry terminal. Anything in the high 40s/low 50s would make far more sense in terms of distance to midtown offices. For downtown though, ferries are a fantastic aid. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 20 21:01:50 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 19 17:08:25 2015. The city buses aren't as slow.And if the tunnels go kaput, then that's going to be a very sought-after alternative. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:31:42 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 19 03:23:19 2015. Oy vey, you guys are talking about 2 totally different things. Joe V is right, Gateway itself won't build a single parking lot in NJ. WillD is right though in that the lack of capacity into Manhattan has stifled the ability for the rail system in NJ to grow to serve more of it's residents. THIS is why PABT and the tunnels are over capacity. Also, Joe V is right in that NYP is not the final destination. Folks still have to get on the subway or walk to offices that are throughout the midtown and downtown areas. HOWEVER, getting them a one seat ride into Manhattan does mean one less transfer (2 seat ride instead of a 3 seat ride) and that makes the train a lot more inviting of an option.2 things need to happen; Gateway (which will allow an increase of service on the existing NJT routes that can operate into NYP, as well as direct RVL service via dual modes), and an expansion of the NJT rail network. Gateway can afford NJT the capacity needed to open new routes that access NYP (MOM, Highlands (yes, go ahead, burn me), and Jamesburg/Bordentown). Any bus routes operating through these areas could either see reductions, merging, or outright elimination, making space at the PABT for routes operating to areas that rail service would not be able to bring into Manhattan. We can argue all we want about the value of NJ workers in Manhattan, but the point is that they are there, they won't go away, and all existing methods for getting them in (sans ferry perhaps) are maxed out. The most efficient option needs to be done, point blank. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:44:49 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Aug 18 06:59:09 2015. Ah, but that's exactly it. If NJ is trying to attract jobs away from NYC and into NJ, then NYC needs to counteract by making access more appealing. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:48:08 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Tue Aug 18 03:23:46 2015. Nassau Hub anyone? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:49:04 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by WillD on Sun Aug 16 22:28:59 2015. The whole area around Nassau Coliseum is ripe for upzoning. Much of Hempstead as well. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:51:43 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 20 21:01:50 2015. The city buses are miserably slow. Even the SBS in Manhattan is slow. Please, go take a ride yourself. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:56:43 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 09:12:55 2015. 2 questions. This post (http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1363046) states different numbers, or is that because this time your including a 24hr window vs the window in the previous post? Secondly, you said NYC has been losing businesses to NJ who has been raiding NYC via the prospect of lower costs. If that's true, then how can you say NYC doesn't have any skin in the game? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:16:38 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Aug 17 14:15:46 2015. He's saying that NYS collects on behalf of NYC, as in NYS is collecting his income tax money and passing a chunk of that money down to NYC later on in the process....or at least that's my understanding of his post. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:23:17 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 17 18:16:42 2015. Yes, but the argument has also been made that NJ has been siphoning jobs away from NYC, so to a degree, NYC has some incentive to make itself a more attractive option and these tunnels getting built could do that since it would increase capacity in the most efficient mode (the lack of capacity being partially the reason why NJT rail constitutes such a small percentage of the market share for cross-Hudson traffic) |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 22:25:28 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 20:49:07 2015. I didn't say ferries should REPLACE everything else. I believe NYC needs a strong MULTIMODAL transport system. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:26:25 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:44:26 2015. That very last sentence of yours is a big part of the problem. The network needs to be expanded in order to chip away at the PABT congestion issue |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:28:40 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Tue Aug 18 06:45:11 2015. While the 7 to Secaucus is a great way of easing PABT and Lincoln tunnel congestion, it doesn't do much for tackling highway congestion elsewhere in the state. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:37:09 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by Joe V on Wed Aug 19 07:10:49 2015. I have to say, I am greatly enjoying this lesson in "where's my money going?" but it's also a little disconcerting at the same time. From what I gather, NJ folks working in NYC do next to nothing for income taxes for either localities, and they do nothing for NJ state in terms of other taxes since those are being applied directly to the municipalities and counties? So what exactly are NJ states tax revenue streams? If they're paying so little into NJ state, and NJ state is paying for NJ Transit, and NJ Transit is the reason why these people can get into Manhattan and not contribute money to NJ State which is paying for these peoples trains/buses, then why the fuck is anything (bus or train) running into NYC from NJ? |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 23:09:15 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:37:09 2015. So you think the money they bring every night goes instantly somewhere else? They don't buy stuff at local stores, they don't have contractors do stuff to their houses, they don't order pizza from the place down the street? Do you have any concept of economics? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 23:35:26 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 22:25:28 2015. Yes, I'm just replying to your argument that Manhattan and parts of Brooklyn are surrounded by water. I agree, ferries should be utilized, but only where they make sense. Manhattan may be surrounded by water, but that E 34th St pier is idiotic, and ridership from Brooklyn Army Terminal was depressing at best |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 23:41:01 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Aug 20 23:09:15 2015. I'm simply asking about the tax revenue that comes directly from them. Shopping is indirect, and I still wonder how much of the tax revenue from their commerce in their home state makes its way to the state vs the municipalities they are doing their shopping in. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 20 23:45:47 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:16:38 2015. He's saying that NYS collects on behalf of NYC,He's wrong. NYS does not collect any NYC income tax from commuters. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 20 23:52:28 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 22:37:09 2015. From what I gather, NJ folks working in NYC do next to nothing for income taxes for either localities, and they do nothing for NJ state in terms of other taxes since those are being applied directly to the municipalities and counties?It's one of capitalism's shortcomings. Unless there's an income stream, there's no incentive to do anything. This isn't the only instance of Adam Smith's invisible hand giving worthy enterprises the finger. If they're paying so little into NJ state, and NJ state is paying for NJ Transit, and NJ Transit is the reason why these people can get into Manhattan and not contribute money to NJ State which is paying for these peoples trains/buses, then why the fuck is anything (bus or train) running into NYC from NJ? This explains Gov. Christie's reluctance to adequately fund NJT. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Aug 20 23:55:20 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo Reluctant To Dig Deep For New Hudson Rail Tunnel, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Aug 20 21:44:49 2015. If NJ is trying to attract jobs away from NYC and into NJ, then NYC needs to counteract by making access more appealing.NYC is doing a very good job of attracting jobs that are filled by NYC residents. It has no incentive to attract NJ residents to fill jobs in NYC. |
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