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Posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015 Not counting anything U/C, the answer is the 63d Street Tunnel connector that the F train uses, correct? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 4 15:45:28 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. Actually, I think the transfer between the 7 and G at Court Square is newer. |
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Posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:53:16 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 4 15:45:28 2015. Believe you are right, but I was referring to track segments. The transfer is a new tunnel but not a track segment. Thank you for answering quickly. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 4 16:23:07 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. They completely rebuilt Stillwell Ave so that might be the newest, the old tracks had a concrete roadbed, the new station has a EL structure so...Unless you outright new route then its most likely the 63rd connector. |
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Posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 16:35:35 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 4 16:23:07 2015. Again, thanks. I was thinking of completely new routes. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 4 17:20:24 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:53:16 2015. Soon…
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Posted by RoldanTTLB on Sat Jul 4 17:22:03 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. Wouldn't it be the new 1 station at south ferry? I mean, yes, it's opened and closed already, but it was open and it was newer, since there was a bit of new tunnel/track. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 4 17:20:24 2015. Its painful not seeing a 10th Ave station dot on that strip map. Chalk that one up as yet another NYC rapid transit construction/planning mistake that will come back to bite someday. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat Jul 4 19:48:26 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. The track structure Manhattan bound L trains use to enter Atlantic. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 20:25:55 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Jul 4 16:23:07 2015. The whole Stillwell Ave terminal was always on an el structure similar to the Smith/9 St viaduct and had ballasted roadbed prior to rebuilding. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 20:32:39 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by The silence on Sat Jul 4 19:48:26 2015. Again, some might argue that since its is merely a realignment of an existing route it is not really “new." |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 20:34:55 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. It would have been good, very good, to have had the 10th Avenue station, but the City didn't feel it had the money for it, the era of breaking the debt ceiling to build the IND being way past. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 20:54:35 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. Maybe the occasionally used R-via-63rd connector between 57th/7th and 63rd/Lex might have been completed slightly more recently. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 4 22:27:10 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. Could it be added some time in the future? 23-Ely was added to the QB line in 1939, almost seven years after the rest of the line opened. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jul 5 08:31:10 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 4 22:27:10 2015. I think I heard that there is a provision for a 10th Av station, but who knows with the MTA. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jul 5 09:03:15 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. The Ballpark Line on the SIR is MTA's newest rapid transit line. Sadly, now closed. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jul 5 10:03:20 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jul 5 08:31:10 2015. I heard that there was a provision for the Second Avenue Subway back in 1950. Your point is?ROAR |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 5 11:24:31 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by northshore on Sun Jul 5 09:03:15 2015. It was part of the SIR North shore line so it wasn't a brand new route. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Jul 5 13:47:30 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 20:54:35 2015. From a previous message:"Maybe the occasionally used R-via-63rd connector between 57th/7th and 63rd/Lex might have been completed slightly more recently." Nope, the whole connection of the 63rd Street to both 57th Street stations, and the related underwater tunnels and stations were all constructed and completed at the same time. Mike |
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Posted by Gene B. on Sun Jul 5 18:07:34 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. It is a huge mistake. Even if they didn't have the money at that point, the compromise plan to build an unfinished station shell would have saved money in the long run. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 5 18:16:43 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. As best as I remember, Bloomy asked real estate interests in that area as well as down on 34th to chip in for part of the costs. They refused. Thus it was removed.Hopefully the funding methods will be remembered in a few years when 10th Avenue realizes that they need one, and then bill them for it. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 5 18:53:17 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 4 20:34:55 2015. Isn't the tunnel constructed to accommodate a station should the money become available? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 18:53:49 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 4 22:27:10 2015. 23/Ely was always there and completed but the station just wasn’t opened until later |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 5 19:08:52 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Jul 5 18:53:17 2015. Nope. They lined it just like the rest of the tunnel with no provision at all. It was cheaper that way. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Jul 5 19:17:30 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 5 11:24:31 2015. It was inactive as a passenger route for nearly 50 years. The tracks and station is new. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 6 00:04:16 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 5 19:08:52 2015. If one goes back in the archives, there was a cab ride video. Unless it was doctored it shows that no shell was built. Intensely stupid. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 6 00:26:07 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 6 00:04:16 2015. Yup. Saw it, and no ... that was what NYC calls "revenge of the Mayor." Flip me off, have a nice f'in' day. :) |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 6 00:41:49 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 6 00:04:16 2015. Unless it was doctored it shows that no shell was built. Intensely stupid.Allegedly, the provision is basically 600 feet or so of level track in case they decide to mine out a station. Otherwise, how do you leave a provision on a built out line that doesn't cost anything? Leaving an incomplete shell would be most of the cost of the station and defeat the purpose of trying to save money. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Jul 6 03:06:48 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 4 20:54:35 2015. No. The "63d Street Tunnel connector" referred to is the connection between 21st St.-Queensbridge station and the Queens Blvd. line. The 63rd St. tunnel itself, including connections to both the 6th Ave. IND and the Broadway BMT on 7th Ave., was opened earlier, with 21st St.-Queensbridge being a stub-end terminal. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Jul 6 08:04:24 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. The "New" south ferry station for the 1 that is now closed. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Jul 6 09:16:15 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 6 00:41:49 2015. There was an Option in the Tunneling Contract to build a shell for a 10th Avenue Station on the 7 Line, but the Option was not exercised as the City felt it didn't have the money to pay for it. So there is no provision for a future station. However, as mentioned the track in that area is level, so it would be possible to try to do something in the future, but the level of difficulty in the way you would have to go about building such a Station let alone doing it around an operating subway line would probably make it cost and operationally prohibited. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 09:35:14 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. No money. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 13:28:58 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by northshore on Sun Jul 5 19:17:30 2015. But SIR is not part of the “subway” system! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 6 13:51:11 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 13:28:58 2015. From a previous message:"But SIR is not part of the “subway” system!" While the above statement is TRUE, as most folks understand the subways. It is also true that there was an effort to connect the B&O Railroad of Staten Island to the BRT's planned Fourth Avenue subway in the circa 1920's. Yes, the plans did not proceed, but if they had I believe various NYC histories would have been different. In any case, my vote for the newest subway line segment is the still under construction and not yet opened extension of the #7 train to the Jacob Javits Center. Mike |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 6 14:51:33 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 6 13:51:11 2015. In reply to your last point, a work train actually ran inside the SAS a couple of weeks ago so that might be the newest place in the subway system a train has actually traveled though....https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/18311714819/ |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Jul 6 15:20:49 2015, in response to First train to run in SAS (Was Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jul 6 14:51:33 2015. That is GREAT news!Mike |
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Posted by mrw on Mon Jul 6 15:55:22 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jul 4 17:20:24 2015. Last Thursday morning, I saw a 7 train (not in service) continuing on the tracks west of Times Sq. I was wondering what the reason was. |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Jul 6 16:01:16 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by mrw on Mon Jul 6 15:55:22 2015. Training Operators and testing the systems on the No. 7 Extension to 34th St. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 6 19:11:37 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 6 09:35:14 2015. Not enough fire in the belly from all sides to get it done. If the locals wanted it bad enough, somehow the $$$ would have been found. Nobody ever has any money unless something is really wanted. Cynical New Yorker here, me suspects something deeper here as in Bloomburg having a hard on for someone in the area of 10th Ave. Some landlord, some businessman, someone of that ilk that pissed off Big Mike as the real reason that the station was not built.. Big Mike had a reputation of getting what he wanted.If he wanted a 10th Ave Station bad enough, it would have been built..straight answer. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jul 6 19:41:04 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 6 19:11:37 2015. Interesting area, some folks wanted the station because they thought it would be a boon to development, and many area residents were not thrilled with that prospect, fearing gentrification and displacement. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 6 23:10:47 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Q4 on Mon Jul 6 09:16:15 2015. Such has been done before. The express station at 59th and Lex comes to mind. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 7 13:30:44 2015, in response to Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 15:38:20 2015. Sounds right... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 7 13:31:20 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 19:27:17 2015. Yep- IAWTP. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 7 15:14:31 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jul 4 22:27:10 2015. It can; the 59th St / Lex express stop ont he east side IRT was added in the early 60s. There was no station provision there.--Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 7 15:15:46 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Andy on Sat Jul 4 16:35:35 2015. What about the now closed South Ferry station on the west side IRT?--Mark |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Jul 7 16:11:05 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 6 23:10:47 2015. Still more expensive but very good point. |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Jul 7 16:14:47 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Q4 on Tue Jul 7 16:11:05 2015. Question. Did the connection between the 6 and the N/R/Q exist at 59/Lex exist prior to the opening of the 4/5 Express station at that location? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 7 16:18:07 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Q4 on Tue Jul 7 16:14:47 2015. From a previous message:"Question. Did the connection between the 6 and the N/R/Q exist at 59/Lex exist prior to the opening of the 4/5 Express station at that location?" YES! YES! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 7 16:25:45 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 7 16:18:07 2015. From a previous message:"Question. Did the connection between the 6 and the N/R/Q exist at 59/Lex exist prior to the opening of the 4/5 Express station at that location?" YES! YES! http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/system_1948.gif The map denotes the "Free Transfer" between the #6 train the BMT subway well BEFORE the construction of the lower level express platforms. Mike |
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Posted by Andy on Tue Jul 7 16:41:57 2015, in response to Re: Newest subway line segment in NYC, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 7 16:25:45 2015. Physical connection was always there. The free transfer was created in 1948 when the fare went from a nickel to a dime. |
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