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Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 10:13:45 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 26 08:38:13 2015. It may not be as big an issue as you make it to be. |
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BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 11:53:40 2015, in response to VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun May 24 01:08:30 2015. Also, can anyone provide some technical information about 2204 and its status? I know one of its trucks is from an R9. Is this the motor or trailer truck? Can it be pulled as a trailer? |
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Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 26 14:07:08 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 10:13:45 2015. Just a thought, you know. Happens a lot on here :) |
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Re: Hello from 207th Street |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 26 15:43:14 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 25 22:18:08 2015. I’ve seen all sorts of things in my time with the TA. 207 Yd used to have a 51 ft “adapter.” It was actually a World’s Fair Steinway with absolutely no electrical or mechanical components under the car. One end of it had an H drawhead and the other end had a J (IRT Lo-V) drawhead. Whenever it was necessary to either tow or push Lo-Vs into the barn, a crew on either a SMEE or an R-9 would couple to the H end of the car, pull it out of the spur track where it was stored and couple the J end of it to the Lo-Vs that were to be pushed into the barn both ends iron only of course. Totally illegal naturally, but supervision sort of looked the other way when it was in use. By the way, I understand that when the Hi-V was operable, Branford would couple it to the Lo-V iron and air only and the Lo-V would pull in one direction and the Hi-V would pull in the other. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 26 15:59:10 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 03:37:05 2015. Back when the R-9s and the steels were running in regular service we had no line supers, we had TRAINMASTERS! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:35:47 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 07:46:05 2015. Precisely! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:36:32 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 10:13:45 2015. Full rush hour cars with dead motors weighed a lot more than some empty standards. :) |
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Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 26 16:37:04 2015, in response to BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 11:53:40 2015. BMT steels had maximum traction trucks with one motor per truck instead of the usual motor truck with 2 motors and a trailer truck so it should be interesting to see how that car would operate with a “foreign” truck. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:56:20 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by randyo on Tue May 26 15:43:14 2015. We even had LoV's and an arnine with MCB on one end for car moves at CIY. And yes, at Branford, the teeyay rulebook did get used as a wheel chock. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:57:24 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by randyo on Tue May 26 15:59:10 2015. Hence my razzing handle here. Yeah, I try to float back and forth between then and now because people have no idea anymore what the TM's Office was about. :) |
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Posted by Stef on Tue May 26 17:38:23 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:56:20 2015. IIRC, there was a Lo-V with a Van Dorn Coupler for the old flat cars still in operation during that time.-Stef |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 17:53:28 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by Stef on Tue May 26 17:38:23 2015. There were a couple actually. They'd mark the floor edges with which kind of coupler was on each end, "VD," "MCB" and there was another type I forget as well. "Compact cobbage" like they have these days to mate cars wasn't a thing back then. You'd use an entire trailer car as cobbage back then. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:45:43 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 16:57:24 2015. Most people probably don’t even know what a T/M was. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 18:58:04 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by Stef on Tue May 26 17:38:23 2015. Besides the gate cars and (Maybe?) the Q type, is there any rolling stock left on NYCT that uses Van Dorn couplers? |
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Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 18:58:42 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by randyo on Tue May 26 16:37:04 2015. I may be incorrect on the R9 truck. I've also heard it has a D-type pilot truck. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue May 26 19:04:00 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 18:58:04 2015. Only the Gate Cars and the Q have it now....Nothing else.-Stef |
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Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Stef on Tue May 26 19:10:07 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 18:58:42 2015. Without the correct truck, I doubt 2204 will do much travel.I wonder if Branford has a spare frame and motor handy? Perhaps then the shop can assemble a rebuilt truck. This is assuming of course someone was willing to pay for the transport of said items... -Stef |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue May 26 20:27:59 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by Stef on Tue May 26 17:38:23 2015. Stef: Circa 1961 there were five Flivvers and two Lo-V's (5505, 5509) equipped with Van Dorn Couplers on one end. If you would like the complete list please e-mail me.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Stef on Tue May 26 21:15:55 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue May 26 20:27:59 2015. I'll keep you in mind, friend.Thanks.... I still have the photocopy of the Tracks of NY Book you sent eons ago...A prized possession! -Stef |
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Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 22:29:32 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Asgard on Sun May 24 21:46:20 2015. re: legend - I was emailed by an old timer, that the story he heard from someone was that the conductor was "swept" out of the car at Canal St. by exiting crowds during the rush hour who were changing to the Jamaica line. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 22:37:23 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 24 18:53:04 2015. I am pasting in part of an email sent to me by Henry Raudenbusch, a couple of years back with info. on the AB's door control:"The BMT A-type 67 ft cars originally had all doors operated by air, but controlled only within the car. You may remember the button panel between the two center doors! Around 1924, for the same reason as the IRT, the BMT also retrofitted trainlined door control. Those cars had been built with fully automatic couplers (WABCO H-2-A), with an electric portion (AL-18). That only had 18 circuits, not enough to provide for door control, so they had to add a 9-point jumper below the coupler. To minimize the handling of jumpers, most of these cars were then combined into 3-car B-type units. The button panel in the middle of the middle car controlled all doors in the train. The panels in the two end cars of the unit were deactivated and painted over." |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 22:59:33 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 24 10:05:24 2015. That's when I last rode them, out railfanning for photos (Canarsie Line & Myrtle-Chambers) after graduating HS, and before a summer student trip of a month or so to Paris (I posted this before, the Sprague cars were still running all over the system. I rode them and photographed them.) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 23:11:38 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by randyo on Tue May 26 18:45:43 2015. Certainly not the line supers. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 23:16:23 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 22:37:23 2015. Thanks for that! :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 23:26:18 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 26 23:16:23 2015. you're welcome! |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 27 09:42:39 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 25 16:42:32 2015. Air & Iron Onlyhttps://youtu.be/lM4rJxDAQPU |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed May 27 13:19:38 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 27 09:42:39 2015. Interesting. Looking forward to more images and videos! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 27 15:26:34 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by HANDBRAKE on Wed May 27 09:42:39 2015. That's some really FINE cobbage there! :)I see there isn't any electric portion on the BMT side there. Thanks! |
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Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 27 17:42:48 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue May 26 18:58:42 2015. A D type pilot truck would probably be OK since AFAIK, D types also had maximum traction trucks. like the ABs. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed May 27 17:46:06 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by randyo on Wed May 27 17:42:48 2015. Being a D type pilot truck, that is a trailer truck. Is its other truck a BMT Standard trailer truck, or a motor truck? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 27 18:00:55 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Express Rider on Tue May 26 22:37:23 2015. For those of you who may not be familiar, the BMT utilized a unique “hammer head” brake handle that was designed for the specific purpose of hammering in difficult door jumpers. They remained in use on the BMT until the Chrystie St merger when The number of BMT steels was diminishing and the hammer heads would no longer be needed. Interestingly, the old “Transit Transit” TV show presented a safety film originally produced by the BRT describing the Trip device and the deadman’s button on the steels in which the brake handle was an open top rather than a hammer head. I suspect that means that prior to the use of the door jumpers on the steels, there was no need to have a dual use brake handle but at some point the BMT felt the need to develop one. AFAIK, no other RR property in the US that utilized similar brake valves ever had hammerhead handles. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 28 13:33:09 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed May 27 17:46:06 2015. All the D type trucks had motors. The “pilot” trucks were merely those which were at the ends of the unit as opposed to the ones under the articulations. There were no trailer trucks on the steels at all. All trucks the steels had one motor each with the exception of the 4000 series trailers in the BX units which, being trailers, had no motors at all. |
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Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Thu May 28 15:06:07 2015, in response to Re: BMT Standard 2204 - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by randyo on Thu May 28 13:33:09 2015. Oh okay. How technically difficult would it be to integrate the pilot truck with the B type's propulsion system? |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri May 29 13:34:22 2015, in response to Re: Hello from 207th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 25 16:10:07 2015. Unca Kev - I am unable to download the wav properly from soundcloud. Do you still have my email address? the msn.com one? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 29 14:37:19 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 24 13:11:31 2015. Yes- this past winter, I saw those cars in the yard... |
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Re: Preserved SEPTA Cars - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri May 29 14:42:43 2015, in response to Preserved SEPTA Cars - Was: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun May 24 14:06:12 2015. SEPTA is a joke. When their anniversary rolled around, last year, they were requesting anyone and everyone with memories and memorabilia to contribute. Meanwhile they have 4 cars in Fern Rock that were restored and they did nothing with them.My understanding is they'd like to dispose of them but the City won't have it. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat May 30 22:45:44 2015, in response to Re: VIDEO: BMT STANDARDS MOVED to 207th Street Yard!, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun May 24 13:11:31 2015. I was on one in the early '90s. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Jun 1 22:01:43 2015, in response to Hello from 207th Street, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon May 25 14:01:13 2015. Awesome! It is cool to see a BMT Standard running again! |
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