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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 01:02:07 2015, in response to Interesting new development: Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 00:54:54 2015. That is possible, however:You have to wonder if given what had happened to two other trains (one AMTRAK, the other SEPTA) in the same area within 10-15 minutes before the accident. I'm beginning to think It's very likely the Train Operator of 188 was aware of what happened in the minutes leading up the accident and if he was speeding up, it could have been because he may have seen something that suggested someone was about to throw something at that train. I would not be surprised if we find out this to have been the case. It's also possible he had a medical condition happen, especially since that was one of the first things I thought of as possible (though I was think more along the lines of a heart attack or the like). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 01:04:04 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 01:02:07 2015. Doubtful. That is absolutely something you would NEVER do approaching a curve for whatever reason. I'm beginning to believe, based on this, that either the engineer was incapacitated at the beginning of the speed burst, OR the locomotive went out of control.NTSB is checking it out, we should have an idea fairly soon. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 02:15:50 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 14 07:45:06 2015. Trains either need full PTC or a fireman in the cab with the engineer calling signals and speed restrictions at all times. It is absolutely insane that we have a single human driving a train with no backup at all. How we ever lost the fireman pre-PTC is beyond me. |
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Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 02:20:12 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 14 10:59:36 2015. Not a defense budget bigger than the next 5 countries combined. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 02:22:12 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 02:15:50 2015. Union-busting, a/k/a "featherbedding" ... the usual suspects, cost-cutting. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri May 15 02:27:42 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Thu May 14 17:45:01 2015. Yeah really. If Amtrak had gotten even half of what they wanted/needed, they'd be 10x their current size AT LEAST! |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Bill West on Fri May 15 02:52:54 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 01:04:04 2015. Hi Unca Selkirk, I was just going to write that I pulled up Google Earth, turned on the railroad layer and backed the view out so I could see from 30th to Tacony. Two things were interesting:-after you hang a right at Zoo and turn northeast the ROW is at about 100ft elevation (+/-10ft) through North Philadelphia all the way to N 2nd St and the curvature is mild, even the one at N 2nd wouldn't be a problem at 70mph. -from N 2nd to the Frankford curve the elevation drops to about 40ft, the 1943 ICC report says that's a 0.6% downgrade. And of course we know that the curve at the end is a problem. So in line with your NTSB info I have to wonder what speeds would occur if one stepped on the gas leaving Zoo, wound up for 4 miles through N Phila to N 2nd St and then for some reason didn't cut back the throttle entering the downgrade to Frankford? Maybe with the power on, an acceptable 70mph at N 2nd would just naturally reach 100+ entering the curve at Frankford. The NTSB's 70 to 106mph over 65 seconds covers 8400ft, that reaches back to B St, 2000ft east of the N 2nd St curve. The 3 second emergency braking when added to a 1 second reaction time at 106mph is 600+ ft and reaches from the point of derailment back to the start of the curve (or if the event recorder didn't quit until the locomotive stopped sliding then it only fits from there back to the point of derailment). So maybe our acceleration represents inaction rather than conscious action. And the braking started with seeing or feeling the curve. With regard to the windshield I notice that the engineer's right pillar has been smoothly but very thoroughly wacked. To me that excuses the straight cracks and your flying ballast easily covers the star cracks. The other interesting thing in the front pictures is that the dash padding seems to have been tossed about. Did our engineer get strongly thrown into it? Lastly I reread Jersey Mike's Wikipedia article on Pulse Code Cab signals. The PRR version applicable here compares codes to locomotive speed and whistles conflicts but only for the restrictive signals, where there are defined speeds. For a clear track it tells the engineer that he can use MAS but as that doesn't have a single definition and varies with location the system can't check on him and so doesn't whistle. As 188 had a clear track the system only knew that speeds above 45 were okay but didn't know whether 70, 125 or 50 were the applicable MAS. After all the original purpose was to counter accidents occurring because of failure to observe signals regarding junction routes or conflicting traffic, not the then lesser problem of obedience to basic ETT speeds. Road Foremen and Dispatcher's train sheets seemed to have covered that and very few trains regularly reached 90mph let alone 106. So all 188's engineer got was a MAS indication, no system imposed limitations on what that was. Bill |
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Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri May 15 04:09:21 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 14 17:57:01 2015. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/15/us/amtrak-says-it-was-just-months-away-from-installing-safety-system.htmlOne could argue that Amtrak was doing it's best, but it was hamstrung by the fact that it needed to purchase the frequencies needed for its implementation... |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by nostalgia on Fri May 15 05:29:09 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 14 23:41:17 2015. The Metro North engineer reported to work around 3:30 AM. The Amtrak engineer reported to work at 1:20 PM and ran the 2 PM Acela to Washington. Job symbol is ENYP830 |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:50:55 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by heypaul on Thu May 14 19:27:15 2015. Given there were two incidents of projectiles that hit trains within 10-15 minutes of the accident in the same general area, it's quite possible the T/O may have sped up thinking one was coming. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:52:57 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 23:45:21 2015. That could be as well, but given the other two incidents, it could be related to those even if not directly (i.e.: T/O thought he saw someone throwing a projectile and sped up to get away from it). |
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Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:56:31 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 01:04:04 2015. Not saying your wrong because you could very well be right.I'm just saying that even if not a direct cause, the earlier incidents could have played into his thinking. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri May 15 06:42:12 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 01:02:07 2015. You have a very vivid imagination. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 15 07:12:52 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 23:22:49 2015. But have they excluded "stupid people on an overpass"? But I still don't see how that would've caused the train's speed to increase to over 100 mph... |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 15 07:15:51 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:52:57 2015. IF it's true that assholes were throwing shit at the train (and we do NOT know that, yet anyway), I can understand it would cause the engineer to be alarmed. But he's still a professional, and taking a curve at double the speed limit should still e something he knows not to do. Instead, call for help... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 07:17:18 2015, in response to Re: Possible cause of Amtrak Derailment (could two earlier incidents have played a role), posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 01:02:07 2015. No. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 15 07:19:10 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by displaced angeleno on Thu May 14 14:50:57 2015. Figures, Ireland's capital is always Dublin.ROAR |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 07:19:45 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 23:40:12 2015. Nope. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri May 15 07:19:53 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 14 09:55:16 2015. That doesn't explain the fact that certainly the Acela and likely the Septa were damaged BEFORE 188 derailed. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 07:21:40 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:50:55 2015. It's incredibly stupid to think that. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 15 07:24:39 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Easy on Thu May 14 23:51:49 2015. Nah. He was a Boy Fan trying to get into the pants of a young railfan.ROAR |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 07:48:41 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 07:21:40 2015. It is even more stupid to throw out all theories, but we already know that about you. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 07:48:51 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 15 07:21:40 2015. You can't rule out that possibility given there had been two hits on other trains in an extremely short timeframe that itself was a short time before the crash. We'll find out soon enough. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 07:49:59 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 15 07:15:51 2015. Like I said, even if no one was doing it at THAT train, the earlier incidents could have impacted what happened here. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 07:54:34 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 23:45:21 2015. "Terrorism" to some may simply mean Al Qaeda/ISIS, not a local vandal or sharp-shooter. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 08:22:04 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 14 17:34:57 2015. AMTRAk has NEVER "fully" funded as far as Authroization vs. actual Approps go, and the Republican fascists in the House are trying to slash them again. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:30:34 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by nostalgia on Wed May 13 14:08:34 2015. Your post shows you have no reading comprehension.I responded to the poster who wrote that the engineer thought he was beyond the curve and increased speed.No, you responded to me. I wrote that the engineer may have increased speed for the next curve. I NEVER wrote that going 60 in a 50 MPH curve would cause the derailment.LOL. Let me bring it down to your level and fill in what you missed due to your non-existent reading comprehension ability. 1. SelkirkTMO wrote that he thought it looked like EXCESSIVE SPEED CAUSED THE DERAILMENT. 2. Jersey Mike replied to #1 and said that the "engineer would have had to have increased speed before the curve [in order for EXCESSIVE SPEED TO HAVE CAUSED THE DERAILMENT]." 3. Broadway Lion replied to #2 and said that "maybe he thought he was past the curve already, and increased his speed [high enough in order for EXCESSIVE SPEED TO HAVE CAUSED THE DERAILMENT]." 4. terRAPIN station replied to #3 and said "that's ridiculous [that he could have thought he was already past the 50 MPH curve far enough in advance of the derailment location to have had enough time to allow the train to increase in speed so much that EXCESSIVE SPEED COULD HAVE CAUSED THE DERAILMENT, especially considering that a speed significantly higher than 50 MPH would have been needed to be the sole reason the train flipped].[And if excessive speed was the cause, the speed increase likely would not have been because he confused ZOO with SHORE, though as unlikely as it seems, there of course still is a tiny chance that was the case. Which is why it was ridiculous to put forth as a serious significant possibility.]" 5. YOU then wrote that "It's entirely possible that the engineer increased speed for the 60 mph curve." Everyone before you was talking about an increase in speed great enough that EXCESSIVE SPEED COULD HAVE CAUSED THE DERAILMENT. You, due to your lack of reading comprehension skills, apparently did not understand this. I, always willing to give most people the benefit of the doubt, assumed that you HAD understood what everyone before you was talking about (as you should have) and thus made the following post. 6. terRAPIN station thus replied to #5 (you) pointing out how STUPID you are for thinking that 60 MPH would be considered EXCESSIVE SPEED that COULD HAVE CAUSED THE DERAILMENT. In conclusion, maybe (just maybe - I don't have much faith...) if you stopped spending so much time on your misguided and just plain incorrect hate campaign against me and everything I stand for (truth, honestly, liberty, and justice), you'd have the leftover mental capacity to tell your ass from a hole in the ground. Moron. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:32:23 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 07:48:41 2015. Nope. But what is more stupid is you thinking that what I posted is stupid. Because what I posted is not stupid. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 15 08:33:50 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 07:48:51 2015. It may not be incredibly stupid, but come on. In order to avoid getting hit, he endangered his train by going to 100+ mph on a 50 mph curve? He'd have to be pissing himself to do something that boneheaded. You might as well hypothesize he had an epileptic seizure while you're at it. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:34:09 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 07:48:51 2015. You can't rule out that possibilityI didn't rule anything out. I said it "it's incredibly stupid to think that." given there had been two hits on other trains in an extremely short timeframe that itself was a short time before the crash.Like I said, that's stupid. Why would he SPEED UP if he knew about the earlier incidents???? SMACKING MY DAMN HEAD. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:34:32 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 07:49:59 2015. NO. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:34:51 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 07:54:34 2015. A local vandal is not terrorism. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:36:15 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 15 08:33:50 2015. Exactly. Thank you. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 08:41:25 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 15 08:33:50 2015. We do not know, and may never know what was in his head at the time.He may have fallen asleep, He have paniced when hearing about the gun shots on the radio, getting 3 gun shots shatters on his own windshield, then forget where he was at, perhaps thought he had already passed that curve, and took off. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri May 15 09:26:33 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 08:34:32 2015. It is stupid to rule out anything conclusively except for maybe a bomb or fire since there is no residue of that. Beyond that everything is in play at this point even if remote. It is possible the engineer became disoriented and when he heard the reports he panicked and sped up totally forgetting about the upcoming curve |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri May 15 09:32:29 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 14 18:12:00 2015. Why are liberals making this about funding when it's not. In response to RISA, AMTRAK received $1 billion tax dollars for PTC in 2009. Only 3% was spent on PTC. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 09:35:50 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by mtk52983 on Fri May 15 09:26:33 2015. Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was saying no to Wally's idea that he would take the curve at double the speed limit just because he was scared of getting something thrown at him. Speeding up wouldn't prevent that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 09:41:58 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri May 15 09:32:29 2015. That is Fox news bullshit and you know it.I just watched it and Joe Vranich carrying on about food service deficit and the Sunset Ltd. They recieved $1 Billion stimulus in 2009. It was not all supposed to be spent on PTC, and the NEC PTC will be turned on later this year nonetheless. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 09:47:33 2015, in response to Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu May 14 13:02:23 2015. Only Harrisburg trains change crews at Philly |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by subfan on Fri May 15 11:16:08 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu May 14 23:38:50 2015. He used his own name. I did a quick archive search on the old SubTalk site and came up with a few dozen posts.subfan |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 11:17:56 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri May 15 05:50:55 2015. There are lots of possible conclusions that could be drawn from the fact that projectiles hit other trains in the vicinity of the derailment at about the same time. That an engineer would speed up to get away from them is ridiculous. If there were legitimate safety concerns and enough time to relay them between trains, the train traffic would have been stopped. Now, if you want to suggest that the engineer was incapacitated after a projectile hit his windshield and that led to the derailment, that would be plausible. Your current idea is not. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri May 15 11:20:38 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 08:41:25 2015. The first sounds plausible, but the second? Have they even identified that the trains were being shot at? |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 15 11:34:43 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by subfan on Fri May 15 11:16:08 2015. Correct, I should have said that.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri May 15 11:44:56 2015, in response to Interesting new development: Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri May 15 00:54:54 2015. Frankford Junction is the second of two major curves leaving Philly. After the two curves there's a nice straight shot.I think it's as simple as this: the engineer sped up after the first curve, instead of the second. Certainly the NTSB-released data regarding speed shows that the train began picking up considerable speed after the first curve. The signaling engineers knew that trains coming into philly from the NE, would have to slow down for these curves after the straight shot, and that's where the automatic features for speed protection were installed. That makes sense. Nobody ever considered that an engineer would speed up so much before the second curve. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 15 11:47:45 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 11:17:56 2015. Now, if you want to suggest that the engineer was incapacitated after a projectile hit his windshield and that led to the derailment, that would be plausible.In theory, of course, a deadman control is supposed to prevent exactly that, but it's plausible if not likely that the deadman control failed to work as designed. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 15 11:49:18 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 15 11:20:38 2015. Yes.One SEPTA, one Acela |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 15 12:02:13 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by subfan on Fri May 15 11:16:08 2015. http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=304640 |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 12:02:34 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by AlM on Fri May 15 11:47:45 2015. From what I understand, those locomotives don't have deadman controls, just alerters. |
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Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 12:27:58 2015, in response to Re: Engineer Bostian Is a Long Time Railfan Who Loves His Job...Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri May 15 11:17:56 2015. Exactly. |
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Re: Interesting new development: Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri May 15 12:30:34 2015, in response to Re: Interesting new development: Re: Major Amtrak derailment in Philly, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri May 15 11:44:56 2015. Nobody ever considered that an engineer would speed up so much before the second curve.How do you know that? Just because the PTC or whatever hasn't been installed there yet doesn't mean no one considered it. In fact I would bet that it certainly has been considered by many people. |
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