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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015 As part of his OneNYC plan (formerly PlaNYC), items on his wish list include:• Building a subway line down Utica Avenue • Increasing service on the LIRR's Atlantic Branch to the level of standard subway service • Build a in-system transfer at Livonia Av-Junius St • Invest in new signaling (CBTC) More on Capital NY |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:37:15 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. Sorry for the spelling errors. My phone and I are engaged in battle. It's winning. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 22 10:40:56 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. DeBlasio is your basic leftist, socialist jerk. He wants this and he wants that, but where will he get the money? Unlike Obama, he owns no printing press, and he is certainly not going to get it from a Rekeeplican Kongress.He says all the right thing to his base, but it is all hot air. No the LION on the other hand, would build the Myrtle-Fifth Avenue Subway. Him had no more money dan de mayor, and his ideas are just as unrealistic, but at least they are bigger. ROAR |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 10:54:22 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. And just like Billy D(eBlasio), it will be late. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. Not a brilliant plan. Utica Avenue Subway? Connected to what? The already over-capacity IRT? QB? Maybe he should consider replacing the "2nd heaviest bus route in the city" with surface rail.Atlantic Avenue LIRR subway. Who will pay to subsidize that? Create a subway service that dead-ends in downtown Brooklyn one block away from the very-well-served Fulton Street Line? Dump people from the last few stations of the Canarsie Line onto the overloaded Livonia Avenue Line? A cheap solution for a non-problem. And more CBTC? We're already getting that. More simplistic solutions from a genius. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Apr 22 11:28:19 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. Sounds good on paper to the electorate, but there are many problems.As another poster pointed out "Show me the money". Also how long would it take to bring all this to fruition? If everything started today,the Kaiser will be long gone out of office when finished, so he won't be able to take credit for it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 11:31:55 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. Funny. All of these are ideas that many in SubChat have been championing for years. Now that DeBlasio wants them, they are dumb ideas? |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 11:45:05 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 11:31:55 2015. No - we are just being realistic.DeB knows that, based on how long it takes for something subway related to be built, that it will never happen. He is just trying to build up points for himself. That is what would make it a dumb idea, as you call it. |
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Posted by Andy on Wed Apr 22 12:02:50 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. As the previous poster says, a Jamaica-Brooklyn shuttle subway is useless.The Atlantic Avenue idea would only make sense if it were connected to a subway route between Downtown Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan. There are major obstacles to doing that because it is physically nearly impossible, since the LIRR is above the BMT tunnels at Atlantic and Flatbush. The IRT route has no capacity. If there were a way to route the Atlantic Avenue line into the Montague Tunnel (capacity exists) it could create a through service with the J train, resulting in a Jamaica to Jamaica service. Could also built a branch south from Atlantic Avenue along Utica because the LIRR is elevated at that point, so connecting to an underground route on Utica might work. However, not likely to happen in my lifetime. I'm in my late sixties. |
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Posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 22 10:40:56 2015. Stick to stupid pictures of stuffed animals you nitwit. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 12:30:25 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 11:45:05 2015. Well, Bloomberg managed to build the 7 extension during his term. Nothing is impossible. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 12:31:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015. Well said. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 12:31:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015. Well said. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 12:49:29 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. Even if it was financed, Utica Ave, south of Flatlands Ave, would have to be built as an elevated structure. The ground is lower there and prone to flooding. Like the early 1930's proposed IND route, the people living there won't go for an el over Utica Ave. That's why the proposal was dropped back then. Nor would they allow a nearby private right of way to Ave U. So, the B46-Utica bus will continue to be one of the most crowded routes in NYC. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. I have not seen the actual report nor examined the details. The devil is in the details.I applaud the idea that subway expansion should be focused on residential areas that are beyond 1/2 mile from an existing subway entrance. The meager subway "expansions" of the last 30-40 years have emphasized extensions to areas already served by existing subways. This includes station monuments like South Ferry, Fulton Street, as well as the Second Ave Subway. It includes the Bronx stations on the proposed Metro North expansion into Penn Station. A line down Utica Ave conforms with expanding the subway system to where it ain't. It cannot go too far because a subway will be limited by the flood plain. The area along Utica not within 1/2 mile of an existing subway and not within the flood plain extends from Empire Blv to Kings Highway. If an IRT extension is coupled with re-designing and building the Rogers Ave junction, then Brooklyn IRT capacity will also be increased. Most of the area that will be within 1/2 mile of the new extension is already within 1 mile of the Nostrand Ave Line. The most cost effective effective way to provide quick subway access to these people would be for better bicycle facilities. Citibike expansion along both Nostrand and Utica Aves would provide a viable east-west route for subway access for people living along this stretch of Utica. The 1/2 to 1 mile distance to the subway is the bicycle's sweet spot. Walking is the quickest means for distances under 1/2 mile. Rental biking a la Citibike is the quickest means for distances between 1/2 and 1.5 miles. One should look towards enhanced surface transit for distances beyond 1.5 miles. Recapturing the LIRR's Atlantic Avenue tracks should be a top NYC priority. It will serve a couple of priorities but very few for the Brooklyn residents along its ROW. First, it will continue a rail link to the area of Downtown Brooklyn that is experiencing a commercial rebirth. LIRR plans are to virtually abandon the line for what they consider to be Grand Central's more lucrative trade. Flatbush Ave will the odd man out, when ESA becomes operational. They are planning for a separate terminal tracks at Jamaica that will eliminate the cross platform transfer. With time, service levels will be decreased. This will make prevent Downtown Brooklyn's emergence as a major commercial hub. Second, subway expansion should be skewed towards people who no live more than 2 miles from an existing line. Most live in eastern Queens. The problem is the long ride, if the Queens Blvd line were simply extended. What's needed is a super express between Jamaica Center/179th St and City destination. Sutphin Blvd is close enough to to qualify on the Jamaica side. Initially, tracks would be extended eastward from Sutphin to avoid the Jamaica Station bottleneck. The LIRR would be the initial operator for this through service to Flatbush. At some point, the tracks leading to Flatbush would be connected to the underused Montague St tunnel, eastward extensions would be built and it would become a subway operation. The only stops between Sutphin and Flatbush would be Woodhaven Jct, ENY and Nostrand. This will occur over a period of a few decades. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 22 12:57:54 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. • Increasing service on the LIRR's Atlantic Branch to the level of standard subway serviceLOL ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 22 13:31:20 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. Connect it to a NEW SOUTH FOURTH STREET SUBWAY! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Apr 22 13:33:00 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. In regards to the Utica Ave Subway, most simple solution would be to just extend the 4 line down Utica.IND had plans to send a subway line down Utica... They also could make the Utica Ave line a shuttle between Kings Plaza and Utica IND, since I doubt a 3rd line could be handled north of Hoyt on the A/C. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 22 13:52:40 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015. Excellent post! |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 22 13:59:13 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. 1 Question: After all his income inequality strategies & income redistribution plans chase the upper class and upper middle class out to the suburbs, who will pay for all of his grand ideas? |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 14:03:54 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 12:30:25 2015. Bloomie had the contacts and the influence (when you are worth billions you can get away with it). DeB hasn't got that (the billions or the influence). |
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Posted by pd11604 on Wed Apr 22 14:07:17 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. I just returned from a trip to Hong Kong and China.Light Rail lines fill in the gaps very neatly between subway and bus terminals |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 14:33:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015. The Co-op City station, for one, will not duplicate subway service. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:51:44 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Andy on Wed Apr 22 12:02:50 2015. I disagree that a shuttle subway is useless. Certainly, I would love the opportunity to restructure the Atlantic Branch into something that carries more passengers. The problem with the Atlantic Branch is that if you are going to make the operation a shuttle, you have to integrate the fare system with the subway. How do you collect those fares in a cost effective manner?The RPA suggested hooking the Utica Avenue Subway into the Atlantic Branch. It can work, but not without money and DeBlasio will never have it. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:55:45 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 12:49:29 2015. Not quite true.If the elevated structure is built high enough to let light hit the street, it can be done. I would run the elevated structure all the way to at least East New York Avenue. You can fit it all the way through to Atlantic Avenue, but you may have to stack the tracks. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:59:29 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015. An MTA dictator could do most of this tomorrow. It is a shame that it has been left to languish for so long. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 22 15:25:45 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. Connected to what?Montreal's Ligne Bleue doesn't go downtown, but connects with the Ligne Orange, and yet somehow avoids being some empty ghost town railway. Hell, TTC is finally getting off its ass and building a crosstown line under Eglinton that doesn't go downtown by connects with the legs of Young-University-Spadina for those going downtown. You don't need a line to directly connect into a downtown based line for it to be successful, and given the high levels of public transport riders in Brooklyn, improving the average speeds of the service in the corridor will improve the experience and increase ridership. FWIW, anything whether it be a proper Stadtbahn or subway would be better than the existing service, but I don't see why a subway would be inappropriate in this corridor... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 15:43:14 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 22 15:25:45 2015. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 22 15:49:34 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. As part of his OneNYC plan (formerly PlaNYC)He's already changed the name in such a short time. Typical of the left. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 15:50:50 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand Da Subway?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 22 15:49:34 2015. This ranks as your most idiotic statement yet. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 22 16:11:41 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Andy on Wed Apr 22 12:02:50 2015. There is a structural provision for a connecting track between the IRT and LIRR at Atlantic Avenue. In the early, early days, it was used by August Belmont to take his private car, the Mineola, from Lower Manhattan to...Belmont Raceway.Restoration of a track connection between the IRT and LIRR would necessitate the use of IRT cars, owing to the IRT's structure gauge, but, that said, I'm positive people living and working along Woodhaven Blvd. and Atlantic Avenue would appreciate subway service, plus access by subway to JFK Airport and Long Island from Brooklyn...the present Q24 bus is a very slow mode of transportation. Of course, SAS should have been completed a lifetime ago, so... |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 16:13:18 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 14:03:54 2015. And the 7 extension made economic sense. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 16:15:05 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Apr 22 13:31:20 2015. Heh. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 22 16:19:08 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 11:06:23 2015. The Utica subway could very conveniently be connected to the IRT E/Pky line since the bellmouths already exist for such a connection. Unfortunately, the tunnel infrastructure is similar the the one at Nostrand Jct which make operation of Lex Av service a bit difficult so in all likelihood, it would be the #3 that would go down Utica. The #4 would then become the full time N/Lts service and would also likely require the #3 to become a full time service. In any case, the IRT E/Pky line definitely has the capacity for such a connection. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 22 16:28:10 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:55:45 2015. S/O ENY Ave, Utica Av is sufficiently wide that an aesthetically pleasing noise absorbing concrete structure could be built that would not block the light from the sidewalk areas where most of the people would be anyhow. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 22 16:29:00 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. Dream on, Bill. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 17:13:56 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:55:45 2015. If they choose to follow the original IND plans, the portal would have come out south of Kings Hwy. Back in the 1930's the area residents were against en elevated portion, saying that the rest of the IND, except the 9th/10th Sts Viaduct, was built underground. Despite testimony from engineers and other experts, they refused to relent. So the Utica extension, an unfunded Second System project at that point, was shelved. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 22 17:25:36 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015. Would a Utica Av subway be more useful than an extended Nostrand Av subway ?I would like to see the latter extended, if nothing else, one stop, to establish a properly designed terminal. You'd probably see some high rises go up as what happens when a TTC subway gets extended. Service patterns would not have to be altered. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 18:16:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 14:33:24 2015. About half of Co-op City lies within 1/2 mile of either the Pelham Bay Park or Buhre Ave stations. It's Co-op City's internal street layout and the limited access highways that isolate Co-op City. It's not the distance.All of Co-op City lies within 1 mile one mile of one of these stations. This would make it a prime candidate for a bike share system. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 22 18:22:13 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 18:16:17 2015. All of Co-op City lies within 1 mile one mile of one of these stations. This would make it a prime candidate for a bike share system.Bicycling isn't allowed on I-95. It doesn't make sense to talk about distance as the crow flies. Only street distance is relevant. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 18:27:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 22 18:22:13 2015. There is a shared path that parallels the thruway over the Pelham Parkway interchange. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 18:39:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 11:31:55 2015. +1Especially the connection between the L and the 3 - not exactly a major tunnel project there. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 18:44:43 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Apr 22 15:25:45 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 19:04:46 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 22 17:25:36 2015. Personally, if there was a Triboro RX, I wouldn't mind having a branch of it parallel an extended Nostrand Ave subway. The subway would provide the express service, while Triboro RX would provide the local service. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 19:08:41 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by HART BUS on Wed Apr 22 11:28:19 2015. The money thing is the big obstacle, I agree. As for the time thing, hasn't that been the problem for many, if not all of these plans? Even the #7 extension wasn't ready before Bloomberg left office. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 22 19:20:11 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 19:08:41 2015. Mostly because of the effing elevators and emergency apparatus.Is it over a year yet that a demo train ran through ? |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 19:22:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 16:13:18 2015. And the City of NY paid for it so the MTA couldn't refuse. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 22 19:33:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 18:16:17 2015. Actually, I think you mean Baychester and not Buhre Ave. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 22 19:46:44 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 18:27:17 2015. Wow. It really is possible to walk in an almost direct line from the 6 at PBP to Co-Op City. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 22 20:24:23 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 22 13:59:13 2015. 1 Question:After all his income inequality strategies & income redistribution plans chase the upper class and upper middle class out to the suburbs, who will pay for all of his grand ideas? Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. |
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