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Another Naked City with a subway |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 13:27:12 2015 This time a low (or Hi) V in the old South Ferry Station. Near the beginning.
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 13 14:22:36 2015, in response to Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 13:27:12 2015. Car 4077, looks like. Lo-V. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Apr 13 15:28:58 2015, in response to Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 13:27:12 2015. great tv series.chud2. chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 16:51:39 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 13 14:22:36 2015. More accurately a Flivver which were Lo-Vs with Hi-V controls removed from the original Composites when they were converted to el operation. That clip may have been taken during a post PM rush hour period when Lex Av trains operated into the ferry since in the period after the Lo-Vs and Flivvers got their kerosene deck lamps replaced by battery lamps which this train clearly has the Flivvers were assigned to both the 7 Av and Lex Wh Pl Rd express services. I have seen photos of Flivvers on the Bway Lcl which in the old days was usually a Hi-V line but the trains in those photos still had the kerosene deck lamps. Info as to the year that episode was filmed would be helpful. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 17:00:34 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 16:51:39 2015. While studying the clip further, I noticed that the clip was made sometime around the time the gap fillers were installed at the So/Fy station in preparation for the operation of R types from the Bway Lcl into that station.That would make it after late 1958 since the gap fillers were in use by Feb 1959 when the West Side IRT service pattern was changed. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 13 17:04:59 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SLRT on Mon Apr 13 14:22:36 2015. 4077 was a Pullman with Standard Motors. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 13 17:06:58 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 13 17:04:59 2015. 4545 was a Standard trailer. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 17:07:25 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 13 17:04:59 2015. As I mentioned in my post 4077 was a Flivver and not a standard Lo-V. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 17:09:23 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 17:00:34 2015. According to IMDB February 1959. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 14 11:53:09 2015, in response to Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 13:27:12 2015. How old is the South Ferry station? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:36:10 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 14 11:53:09 2015. Opened in 1905 making it 110 years old. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 14 22:41:32 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 14 18:36:10 2015. WOW! They always had the gap fillers? |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Apr 14 22:56:08 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 14 22:41:32 2015. No - when built originally, the Low/Hi-V's fit the curve, but when the TA finally brought new equipment for the mainline IRT in the late 50's, those cars would not line up properly at SF (and Union Square also), so the gap fillers had to be put in then. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 23:22:32 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Apr 14 22:56:08 2015. Better explanation for those who don't know was that the older cars were arranged so that the center doors could NOT be opened when required, and only the end doors which made that safe. The newer cars opened all, including the center doors which would have been a problem were it not for the gap fillers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 23:23:21 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 23:22:32 2015. And for the inner loop station, it was the opposite - only the center doors would open into the holes in the wall whereas the end doors would remain closed. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 14 23:34:04 2015, in response to Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 13:27:12 2015. I just saw another episode with an R type in the Bleaker Street Station but the scene was so fast it wasn't worth mentioning. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 14 23:39:38 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Apr 14 22:56:08 2015. when the TA finally brought new equipment for the mainline IRT in the late 50's, those cars would not line up properly at SF (and Union Square also), so the gap fillers had to be put in then.Nit Pick #1. The IRT was the company that purchased equipment whose doors would not line up. Nit Pick #2. You omitted another station that had gap fillers installed. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 01:31:49 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Apr 14 22:56:08 2015. I don't know about the curve at South Ferry, but I've seen an early picture at City Hall station. Thee were iron fences along the platform (over the wide gap, where the center door would be built in the future) with openings where the end doors would line up. There was still a gap (to mind) but it was much narrower.URL for an early platform picture at City Hall: https://www.furnishedhousing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/26959171.jpg scroll down about a quarter of the page to find a picture from the Life Magazine collection. I am going to try and embed the image (I've never done this before), however there doesn't seem to be a separate URL for the picture, just the page, so the image might not include the picture - only just the top of the webage. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 01:35:05 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 01:31:49 2015. well, that didn't work.when someone posted how to embed, they gave as an example, a nysubway.org URL that included .jpg at the end. this URL did not include jpg, since it is a webpage address. I guess this is why an image didn't carry over? |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Wed Apr 15 06:40:21 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 01:35:05 2015. well, that didn't work. when someone posted how to embed, they gave as an example, a nysubway.org URL that included .jpg at the end. this URL did not include jpg, since it is a webpage address. I guess this is why an image didn't carry over?  Your coding was correct, however the URL you used was in wrong, and different from the one you wrote in the text.{https://www.furnishedhousing.com/blog/2010/03/01/early-days-of-the-nyc-subway} vs. {https://www.furnishedhousing.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/26959171.jpg}. Img src will not embed a web page. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 06:59:05 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by b/p rupture on Wed Apr 15 06:40:21 2015. Cool!! Thank you so much for your assistance!! :) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 08:24:52 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by b/p rupture on Wed Apr 15 06:40:21 2015. Is that a wooden el car in the subway???? |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:16:43 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 14 23:22:32 2015. Not only that but on the Lo-Vs and Hi-Vs the end side doors on the cars were at the very ends of the cars and were close enough to the platform edge to make boarding and alighting as safe as possible. On the R types (and also the pre war IRT WF cars as well) the end doors were back from the car ends making them farther away from the platform than on Standard body pre war cars. That necessitated the installation of the gap, fillers to allow operation of R-types into So/Fy station. What I never figured out was that after the gap fillers were installed, at certain times east side trains of Lo-Vs continued operate into So/Fy as they did before the gap fillers were installed and although I rode in there many times on both services, I never paid attention to how the gap fillers were handled with the Lo-Vs. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:36:36 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:16:43 2015. They probably rolled up to the center doors, allowing all to be opened up I would expect. The car ends though must have been amusing. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:38:48 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 14 23:39:38 2015. Actually, the IRT’s doors lined up just fine based on the operation and since it wasn’t anticipated that the World’s Fair cars would not be operated into So/Fy there was no reason to worry about the door placement on those cars. As for other stations with gap fillers, there were actually 2 on the mainline and T/Sq on the shuttle although the so called gap fillers at T/Sq are actually below the platform level and effectively only will prevent passengers from falling all the way to track level. The other stations to have gap fillers were Bkln Br which were taken out of service when the platforms were extended north off the curve and 14 St. When the N/B platform was extended south off the curve, the gap fillers at the very north end of the station were taken out of service since trains no longer stooped opposite them. On the S/B side, the gap fillers on the lcl tk were only for the end doors since the center doors were close to the platform like they were at So/Fy inner. On the S/B exp tk, the gap fillers were only for the center doors since the end doors were close enough to the platform edge for safe boarding and alighting. Even after the R-types entered Lex Av exp service, since the curve was not as severe as So/Fy, the end doors were close enough to the platform to make boarding safe. Probably because most of the cars operating into So/Fy were Hi-Vs, many of which allowed for independent operation of the end and center doors the IRT didn’t feel the necessity to install gap fillers for the center doors there. At 14 St with Lo-Vs operating almost exclusively on the exp lines on which all side doors opened the IRT felt it was necessary to install the gap fillers. After MUDC was installed on increasing numbers of Hi-Vs and later when Lo-Vs operated into So/Fy C/Rs would manually lock out the center doors on the cars at their immediate operation position and be assisted by platform C/Rs at Rector St on the west side and Bwlg Grn on the east side who boarded trains at their respective stations to lock out the center doors on the other cars, rode around the loop and unlocked the center door lvg So/Fy and detraining back at their original locations. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:44:43 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Apr 15 08:24:52 2015. That is a Composite, one of the original order of IRT subway cars which were made out of wood some of which had protective copper sheathing to fireproof the cars as much as possible. Eventually, wooden cars were outlawed from the subway with a very few small exceptions and the cars were modified for use on the IRT els. The cars with copper sheathing, most of which was removed for elevated operation to reduce weight gave rise to the term that IRT employees used for them which was “coppersides." |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:18:55 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 11:36:36 2015. I was thinking the same thing since the gap fillers would not line up with the end doors of the Lo-Vs. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:36:48 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:18:55 2015. Nope, but the platform would ... in a scary kinda way. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:48:53 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:36:48 2015. However, if you notice at So/Fy, the concrete platform profile was changed so that the gap fillers would line up accurately with the doors so it’s not perfectly round as it was before the gap fillers were installed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 15 13:52:41 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 13:48:53 2015. It's been a LONG time since I was down that way, but I wouldn't be surprised. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:27:38 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 15 11:16:43 2015. " the end side doors on the cars were at the very ends of the cars and were close enough to the platform edge to make boarding and alighting as safe as possible."- that's what I was trying to show, in my post with the picture of City Hall Station's platform - that b/p rupture generously helped to imbed. The railings on the platform were positioned to protect passengers from the wide gap. There were no railings at the platform positions where the end doors would be, when the train stopped. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:07:13 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:27:38 2015. Prior to the installation of the gap fillers, South Ferry had similar railings. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Apr 18 00:30:53 2015, in response to Re: Another Naked City with a subway, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 20:07:13 2015. Thanks as always for the info. |
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