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Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Feb 25 02:53:42 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Not happening.........next. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 25 02:59:09 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Wed Feb 25 02:53:42 2015. It COULD if folks were willing to pay for it. But we've already seen that movie. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Feb 25 03:19:07 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Good to see someone talking about this. But to do it piecmeal is the perfect way to get service to Montauk and Greenport abandoned. If they don't electrify all the way we'll likely lose one or both. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 25 07:11:21 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by WillD on Wed Feb 25 03:19:07 2015. Yeah, I can see your point. Say in 2027, it's electrified to Riverhead and the DMs/DEs are ready to scrap- they probably wouldn't buy new locomotives to service a short stump, and would also not have the funds to complete electrification.A change in equipment is how we lost lower Montauk in Queens.. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 25 08:06:19 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Electrification is a good plan. It is good for the development of the Island. But it is far more than the cost of "electrification". They would also need to buy new train sets. Obviously many more train sets if they want more service than what the diesels are providing. The Lines would also have to be double tracked if capacity is to be increased.How many diesel train sets are running. Double and or Triple that number for electric sets. Off peek sets would not end at Babylon, but would run all the way to NYP/GCT. Would they also run local between Babylon and Jamaica? Would the eastern passengers be happy with that, going from an express train to Jamaica to a Local? This would be tantamount to building a new railroad out there. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 09:07:42 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Sounds like a plan to abandon east of Riverhead and through the Hamptons. How lovely. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 09:08:43 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 25 07:11:21 2015. Since everything there is governmental whim, it's not the "change of equipment" alone to blame. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 25 09:47:23 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by WillD on Wed Feb 25 03:19:07 2015. the perfect way to get service to Montauk and Greenport abandoned.It's very unlikely that service to Montauk will be dropped. During summer, it's SRO Friday evenings outbound and Sunday evenings inbound. They have scavenged the other diesel lines to run more trains. They still have delays due to overcrowding throughout the summer weekends. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 11:07:24 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 09:07:42 2015. East of Riverhead...maybe. That trackage out there is in terrable shape. Would take serious $$$ to upgrade it to 21st century standardsNot that many slices left in the pie for that. Abandon Hamptons to Montauk? Can't see it. Those trains are packed in the summer. Nobody would want more traffic on Rt 27. which on certain Fridays starts backing up at the Shinnecock Canal. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Feb 25 11:48:56 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 25 08:06:19 2015. As the late 1960's slogan said "Right on Brother!" - ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 12:02:18 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 25 08:06:19 2015. They would also need to buy new train sets. . . because they forgot how to operate electric locos on third rail? They used to do it all the time. Guess it's kinda like how the MTA also forgot how to run third rail trains in the snow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 13:42:40 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 11:07:24 2015. Would take serious $$$ to upgrade it to 21st century standardsNo, it would not take that much to bring it up to LIRR's 80-mph standard. If they can install Class 5 track on the Port Jervis Line, then installing Class 4 track east of Riverhead et al would be nothing. As for packed trains in the summer, that didn't stop NJ Transit from ceasing weekend express service on the NJCL. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Feb 25 13:42:42 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. 18 Million per mile... O_O |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 13:43:12 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Feb 25 13:42:42 2015. Yes; that's what happens when you let government run things. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 25 14:07:22 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. This would be good! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 15:29:08 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 13:42:40 2015. "that didn't stop NJ Transit from ceasing weekend express service on the NJCL."Apples & Oranges. On the South Fork of LI. theres' only one main road in & out. In the Summertime, its packed. It takes hours to get out to the east end even with the packed trains in service. You going to put all those train folks on the road too?? The area would strangle in its own carbon monoxide. Area becomes less attractive, tourism declines, real estate values & rentals decline. on & on.. No railroad equals a potential economic hit that would be tough to live with. What they should do is double track where theres room & put in passing sidings in where theres not. Trouble is, the rail road was "dark territory" as in no signals east of Speonk. They used what the LIRR called "K" cards for permission to occupy a block. I wonder if thats still the case today. |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Feb 25 17:16:54 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 25 14:07:22 2015. Beside the additional train-sets, you need substations which might require acquiring land and you will need yards and we know how Long Islanders feel about train yards. |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Feb 25 17:24:32 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 15:29:08 2015. Still K Cards east of Speonk and Ronkonkoma.I am told that the grade crossing circuits are the reason for the low track speeds east of Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 17:33:25 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by sloth on Wed Feb 25 17:24:32 2015. "Still K Cards east of Speonk and Ronkonkoma."Wow! Thanks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 25 18:53:45 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. It is tacit admission that the dual mode trains and the comfy bi-level cars have failed in bringing anyone back from the Ronkonkoma Line.That electrification projects was done in-house and about the only large capital project the LIRR had done that decade that did not blow their time estimated nor budget. Yet,MTA is psychologically opposed to it, whereas they could have quickly followed through to Port Jeff after Ronkonkoma got done. The CTC, passing sidings, double tracked stations, and large parking lots are all there that need to be. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 25 18:57:10 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 25 17:33:25 2015. They still have to signal and do PTC to Montauk, so that will change.They do not have to do Greenpoprt as train volume is insufficient for the FRA to require it. Politicians will not allow the service to go away. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Wed Feb 25 19:03:41 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Electrification? Wasn't so long ago when DMUs were going to be the answer. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 25 19:19:42 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by j trainloco on Wed Feb 25 19:03:41 2015. I think Suffolk COunty, or at least Brookhaven, have realized there will be no DMU's, and the status quo of the junk diesel fleet is not acceptable. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Feb 25 22:15:05 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 25 08:06:19 2015. I would think that (using the Babylon/Montauk branch as an example) electric trains originating east of Babylon would run express west of Babylon, perhaps making one stop, say, at Freeport. Ditto for electrics originating east of Huntington and Ronkonkoma.wayne |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 26 01:33:49 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 13:43:12 2015. What private railroad has electrified in the past 25 years to provide a data point for how much more efficient their electrification would be?This is what happens when you electrify using third rail. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 26 04:24:42 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. an m.u. powered train is more "modern" than al locomotive pulled train? the guys pushing for this don't know shiz from shinola about tralins. afa patchogue goes, serious redevelopment of the station area would be a much better use of funds. but most of suffolk is fine with diesel powered trains. re-zone all the station areas to high density residentially and office development. i e.: ten stories and higher, at that point there might be good reasons for further electrification. |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Feb 26 12:32:20 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Holly smoke. Even the central branch. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 26 18:45:02 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 25 07:11:21 2015. Unless they're also going to abandon the Oyster Bay line I'm pretty sure they'll be getting new engines. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 26 19:19:36 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 26 04:24:42 2015. That's is the tail wagging the dog.No justification for high rises near diesel stations where the service is slow and infrequent, IOW,shitty. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:21:46 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 25 09:47:23 2015. Yeah, he may be right about greenport, but he's obviously never seen summer montauk trains. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:23:16 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 25 09:08:43 2015. No...that's how we lost montauk in queens |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Feb 26 19:28:54 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:23:16 2015. I thought they decided it wasn't worth the money to make the Lower Montauk ADA compliant. Which is almost the same thing. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 26 20:17:14 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:23:16 2015. Yes, I know it's the lower Montauk.The "upper" Montauk instead got high platforms that the C3s could stop at. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 26 20:48:12 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:23:16 2015. No...that's how we lost montauk in queensThe Lower Montauk suffers from the fact that nobody wants to pay CityTicket (or actual Zone 1 monthly) money to be dropped off at LIC and then have a perpetual walk to the 7 Train or a ride on the ferry that puts you at a long walk or shuttle bus ride to anything useful. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 26 20:51:59 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Feb 26 18:45:02 2015. Unless they're also going to abandon the Oyster Bay line I'm pretty sure they'll be getting new engines.I swear, in my drunker moments, the LIRR runs to Oyster Bay (beyond Glen Cove) are just a state subsidy to avoid running buses from Hicksville to Oyster Bay. One of my former coworkers lives there, and it was the only way in and out of the place when she couldn't drive to work that didn't involve paying for a taxi. Otherwise, you'd probably get away with another parking lot at Hicksville for TOBAY residents to cater to the Oyster Bay riders in the village... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 26 22:33:16 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 26 20:48:12 2015. So you don't believe that there are jobs on the east side of midtown Manhattan? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 26 22:33:52 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 26 20:51:59 2015. That's very pro-bus. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 26 22:46:58 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Feb 26 12:32:20 2015. Central branch is not electrified, despite being shown as such on the map. This would be a useful place to electrify, and maybe even add a station or two in.wayne |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 26 23:14:20 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 26 22:33:16 2015. No, he believes there are better ways to get there. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 27 00:54:47 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 26 19:19:36 2015. Well, higher service levels need higher density population. it's happening on long island in any case. all new residential development on long island is higher density. Wyandanch Rising, New Village at Patchogue, new buildings in Bay Shore and Huntington. and The LIRR diesels aren't that bad. sucks that there's a service gap on trains east of Bablylon between 2 a.m. and 8 a.m., yeah, but the service (at least Babylon/Patchogue anyway) is decent otherwise. in both directions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 27 07:39:03 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Feb 26 12:32:20 2015. That should be done even without all that other stuff. It's not "even the central branch", it's that that should be done first. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 27 07:41:01 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by sloth on Thu Feb 26 19:28:54 2015. Yes, and that is the same thing. It's yet another thing that ADA killed for everyone. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 27 07:42:23 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 27 00:54:47 2015. New Village at Patchogue. LMAO. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 27 11:18:11 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 26 22:46:58 2015. I'd like to see the whole Central Branch rebuilt and electrified, but that would require some tunneling under Eisenhower Park. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 27 12:57:25 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 27 07:39:03 2015. It should be double tracked too. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 27 13:32:36 2015, in response to Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Feb 25 02:35:00 2015. Any idea of electrification east of Yaphank and Patchouge is a pipe dream. The rest is doable. They need to start with the Port Jefferson branch. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 27 15:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 27 07:41:01 2015. There wasn't enough passenger traffic to justify maintaining service irrespective of ADA. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 27 18:03:16 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 27 00:54:47 2015. There was a huge rider shift off the South Shore and Port Jeff to Ronkonkoma in the year or so after Ronkonoma went electric, and it never came back. "New Village" in Patchogue notwithstanding, the diesel service is a failure.Wyndanch, and Huntington are electric. Bay Shore is close enough to Babylon most probably drive there. No, Suffolk is "not fine with diesel" service as you put it, and Brookhaven Town has said as much. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 27 18:04:45 2015, in response to Re: Officials push to electrify LIRR train lines in Suffolk County, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 26 19:21:46 2015. The summer Montauk trains are the lesser of two evils: Sunrise and Montauk Highways are hell. |
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