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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 3 18:43:25 2015  |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Jan 3 19:33:52 2015, in response to What is this supposed to be?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jan 3 18:43:25 2015. Similar to what these are, from my own O-Scale 2 Rail layout, heh !
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 3 19:59:03 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Jan 3 19:33:52 2015. Hey, guy! Love that last picture. Lead car has that tilt to it just like the real thing! :) |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sun Jan 4 03:59:31 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 3 19:59:03 2015. Hello KevinThanks and MOOooo. Must be a very heavy motorman in the cab at right side of the car. Joe F !! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 4 04:16:39 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Jan 3 19:33:52 2015. looks like the real thing |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 04:19:01 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sun Jan 4 03:59:31 2015. Heh. Nah. Just crappy car maintenance and bad bolsters. If it took air and had some motors, it went. You know the saga! We'll fix it after the rush hour. Maybe. (grin) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 04:21:50 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 4 04:16:39 2015. Joe's always had an amazing ability to translate reality into small scale. Joe was from my nabe back in da Bronx. Knows his stuff better than anyone here. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 4 04:46:25 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Jan 3 19:33:52 2015. Sweet... |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 4 16:53:51 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 04:19:01 2015. B A S = barn after service! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 18:04:40 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 4 16:53:51 2015. Heh. Or not. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 4 20:47:51 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 18:04:40 2015. One of the interesting things I remember from my command center days is the rather loose way the Flushing Line was operated. I also remember it from my days going to Queens College when all AM flushing line trains were signed for Main St and it was a guessing game as to whether the train I was on would be going through to Main or going O/S at 111 St. When I was in the command center, I would get a call from a M/M reporting a badly cracked side door glass on his lead motor or some other defect possibly something like a slow train. I would notify the ATD at 111 who would respond something like “OK command center, we’ll make that a scheduled layup.” Now the train may have been scheduled for Main St but that train would,be taken O/S at 111 St and sent to the yard and a following train which was scheduled to go O/S at 111 and lay up would remain in service through to Main St. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 21:23:43 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 4 20:47:51 2015. Yep. Then off to 3 track where it would go right back out the next morning. At STL, I'd often step up and the train had BO tags in the cab. I'd ask, and get "take it out." I was told, "that's why we have erasers." :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 21:24:56 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 21:23:43 2015. ABD wasn't an option then either unless the tower spotted flames. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 4 22:36:54 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 21:23:43 2015. So in 67 or so someone I was briefly acquainted with was working in the electric motor shop @ Sunnyside. The trick with GG1s was which one had the least serious unrepaired defects. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 23:12:50 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 4 22:36:54 2015. In the teeyay, no such clues. You found out why it got laid up on the road, sometimes on the bridge. Heh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 4 23:19:55 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 23:12:50 2015. And sometimes after the initially assigned at-fault crash. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 5 01:19:12 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 4 23:19:55 2015. Hehehehe |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 5 01:33:19 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Jan 3 19:33:52 2015. Remarkable modeling. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 03:42:37 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 04:21:50 2015. Hello again KevinTo Salaamallah, Train Dude, Edwards, thanks guys for viewing and the nice words ! KVVIN -- MOOoo-Thanks for the nice words also -- well, I do know a lot of history and etc., after researching and experiencing much for over 55 years - but I am still finding out and learning new historical tidbits all the time, heh. When you "rest", you "rust", heh. Thats the fun of it....the random items coming out from the cracks, and the long hidden micro details that surface over time You (and the very few viewing here) probably will like these photos - after all YOU (and most all here) likely remember old look GMC BUSSES under the EL in DA BRONKS in the 1950's thru early 70's - so...heh. There is SILL an "EL" above to make it raill-on-topic. Regards - Joe F 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 04:18:12 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 03:42:37 2015. Yep. Sure do remember the Macks and the other RM ("Growling Motors") down there, and love the "Go The Motor Coach Way" on the Fifth Avenue ones although I could swear that although it's perfect in every other way, the lettering up there was a little smaller.So cool though seeing your stuff again! I did miss the streetcars although but somehow vaguely remember the single headlight as opposed to the doubles that indicated it was a bus headed up the street. But then I was in Gerbers at the time TARS finally killed off the last ones. Kinda fun also being one of the few who knew why IND stops in the city had exits under the Concourse to the middle of the tunnels. Kids today surely wonder what THAT was all about. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 04:25:05 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 04:18:12 2015. And Joe. I really miss the old days here and elsewhere where we could have some fun and talk about this stuff in greater depth without the usual suspects repeatedly violating NY Penal 240.20.0 & 245.01 here. :) |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 04:25:05 2015. Hello again KevinAs long as at least you are enjoying these photos - these following scenes on my EL as an IRT EL Gate car train approaches, and below my EL, as a "passenger" would see departing a Local Station on my EL line, are especially nostalgia filled - especially the mood filled ones of sunshine & shadows basking the T.A.R.S. Trolley car under the EL. For you, enjoy - MOOoo.... By the way, notice my modeled memorials to those two legendary major stores that resided along side the Bronx 3rd Ave EL at the "Hub" - HEARNS and SACHS, per their building facade signs in third photo down from the top ! PS: Note that THIS EL train has no leaning head end car...heh ! regards - Joe F 
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 5 05:36:47 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015. looks like the real thing |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 5 05:38:33 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 03:42:37 2015. this is excellent |
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Posted by BMRR on Mon Jan 5 06:01:19 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015. Joe,WOW . That's about as real as it gets! Other than finding a time machine. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 06:15:15 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015. Heh. But you know me after all these years of 52 PCT follies and all, that leaning el car was absolutely the teats! SO reminds me of the ghetto IRT and why I because an IND fan so much that I even HAD to work there for a while just to rub it on me. Lulz!Unca Joe, your stuff has never been short of perfect and amazing as all get out. Really wish I'd gotten the time to hang out there down in Philly and really do it up with you. And hey! You're a delinquent here. Where's the Honark's Pigway after all? (grin) Still can't get over 52 just being the ringleaders in THAT caper and I'll never forget the reaction of the two PO's in the car when they went "Hey?" while we were rearranging that sign and then noticed who was doing it. Heh. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jan 5 11:34:10 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 5 05:36:47 2015. I just love Joe's work on these cars and layout, I remember back in the 60's looking at Joe's HO transit layout's black and white photos in Traction and Models magazine and even writing Joe how much I enjoyed seeing his great work, how can this man create such fine models and elevated systems, even my dad had no words for it, and then Joe built the O scale version of his layout and again it just amazed me.The best thing about these computers is you can now contact people instantly and have a conversation without waiting for months for a reply now how cool is that ? thank you Joe for sharing this marvelous layout with us. Karl M |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 5 13:31:28 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 03:42:37 2015. Phenomenal achievement!!! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Jan 5 14:40:26 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jan 5 11:34:10 2015. very beautiful the photos of that layout |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jan 5 18:39:15 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jan 5 11:34:10 2015. That's really cool, about computers nowadays, Karl M. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 19:35:22 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Jan 5 11:34:10 2015. Hello Karl MYes, I remember you writing to me at my PO Box (Still have same box now for 43 years !) -- and still have all correspondences from those various magazine articles. Thanks for the compliments and support. I know you have some very excellent O-Scale Traction models you built, finished...and I have photos of them, You have a photo album on my NYCTMG Website Photo-Album site. As I know you are a BMT Elevated descent from your childhood (Fresh Pond Barns and yards, Queens ?) roots - you may enjoy these below from my layout. Please be sitting down and have a, umm, towel handy, Karl. PS: YOU should post some photos of your beautiful O-Scale Traction and Interurban cars ! regards - Joe F 
 
 
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 5 19:55:31 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 4 21:24:56 2015. Sometimes flames didn’t even help. One dat when I was the T/D at Stl/Brighton (QJ) an R-9 train came in with a hot journal (remember those). I sent the train into CIYd and the Yd/Mast sent it right back since The cars were assigned to ENY Yd for maintenance and the C & S personnel at CIYd wouldn’t work on it. As the train passed K/Hwy tower N/B, the truck erupted in flames and the resulting delay tied up the Brighton line while the FD had to respond. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 20:48:19 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 5 19:55:31 2015. Not even a chance of those kids topping off the oil?Heh. Fortunately most of the turnovers for me were either "ours" or Jamaica's. But yeah, nothing I loved more than smoking up stops. I was a good boy though, always checked my woolies in the cups before leaving, not my problem if the journals leaked onto the wheels. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 03:03:22 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015. Dear Joe F.,I always like to look at the photos of your historical layouts. I have viewed many of them at the transit modeling site, and certainly enjoy these that you have posted here. Detail is astounding! Bravo! For those of us who weren't around (I was born in 1950, was only a few months old when the Brooklyn Lex came down) these are a real time machine! As close as we're going to get to the glory days of the Interborough and the BMT. Thank you! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 03:08:56 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 19:35:22 2015. OhMyGod!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!These are great! Especially realistic with the street scenes that include trolleys. They are so real these could have been taken by someone like George Votova back in the day! Why isn't Don Harold in any of these photos? (heh,heh) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 03:11:51 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 06:15:15 2015. "your stuff has never been short of perfect and amazing as all get out"IAWTP! :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 03:17:50 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 5 04:25:05 2015. So talk about'em :)Some of us here (and many more probably) love these in depth discussions - their content usually is an oral history that covers local history, transit operations history, transit techology history, etc. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 05:41:17 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 03:03:22 2015. Hello Express RiderGlad that you also enjoyed all my EL Layout photos - especially my BMT EL models and scenes. You were old enough as born in 1950 to ride the BU Gate Cars on Myrtle EL up to May 1958, and the Q-types from May 1958 to the closing of the Myrtle EL in Oct. 1969. I assume therefore that you likely did ride and experience those BMT EL Cars. Here are some random videos from my You Tube Page - you may enjoy. The video Subject Captions are on top of video image-link. The LINK to my main YOU TUBE page listing all my videos is at bottom of this message. If anyone wants to see additional YOU TUBE videos of my EL & Trolley Layout, here is the PAGE LINK to my Main Page and listing of all my layout videos; My YOU TUBE Main Page listing all my Layout Videos regards ! - Joe F |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Jan 6 07:37:13 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 05:32:48 2015. Joe: It must have taken a lot of time and skill to create such excellent models. I remember Hearns Department Store very well. They had a four cent couple on the Westchester Avenue side of the door. It contained all sorts of miscellaneous items including many inexpensive toys which was great for a kid. Sachs and Alexander were there also as well as the Victory Theatre. Thanks for the memories.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Patrick Boylan on Tue Jan 6 09:39:53 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 05:41:17 2015. Joe, are you finally going to hop on my yacht in spring? I'm sure Jim must have told you of the wonderful times he's had sailing with me. Here are relatively recent videos of NJT's Riverline betwen Bordentown and Fieldsboro.http://youtu.be/-QxBNBkjTsA http://youtu.be/eO-DKVvLk8I http://youtu.be/CebJiGFnGmc http://youtu.be/J73r5QN4Pkw http://youtu.be/cHiU8bYv_-s Eventually Harry and I will stop by and pick up our batteries. Are they in the way? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 6 11:59:52 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Jan 6 07:37:13 2015. Speaking of Hearns, do you remember the Hearns dept store on the corner of 5 Av and 14 St in Manhattan and how about the Alexanders dept store under the 3 Av El in the Bronx a few blocks above the 149 St station (I’m not sure of the exact street on that one)? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 12:50:03 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 05:41:17 2015. Hello Joe,Thanks so much for sharing these videos and providing the link to the index! I'll be looking at these and the other videos when I can. Though I did ride and photograph the Q's, unfortunately did not get to ride the BU gate cars. I was not, unfortunately, a "city" city kid. Though I lived in Queens ('52-'57), and the R9's were the cars of my childhood (we used to transfer at Queens Plaza, but for the life of me I have no memories of the abandoned north platforms), my parents were from upstate NY. They moved to NY in the late '40s when my father started Dental School. They lived on the upper west side and then downtown, so my Dad remembers taking the Bluebirds (!) at least once, on the Canarsie line, when he was going west to the IND. Dad took the H&M during the 30s into NYC with friends, and he was more of an IND / IRT traveler when my parents lived in the Manhattan in the late '40s (he rode on and remembers the Gibbs cars)*. As he used to say, "I knew nothing about Brooklyn." So, though even though the BU's ran until '58 and the C-types until '56 he wasn't aware of them, so we never did a father-son excursion to ride them. Unfortunately I have no clear memories of riding the last Hi-V's during the mid either. Some of one's "kid memories" you remember photographically. Others - like the BMT cars we rode from Qns. Plaza to transfer to the Lex, I have no clear memory of, except the lower windows on the side doors, so I as a kid could look out - could have been AB's or D's. I vaguely remember riding post-war cars on the Lex local - we took the local up to 86th where my Dad's office was. And I have unclear memories of riding much older trains - window were very dirty and I had to stand on tiptoe to see over the layer of dirt. Lo-V's or Hi-V's? I just don't plain remember. There was one morning, though, an older train arrived at 59th, we got on, (I must have been 6 1/2 or 7 years old) and I remember the motors sounding much, much louder than the R9s and also, the hum/ traction groan, ramping up in pitch very quickly. Each time the train stopped and started it felt like it was going to fall apart. Could these have been Hi-Vs? I have been told that the Hi-V motors growled deeper than the Lo-V's. Does my description fit them, or could these have just been Lo-V's that needed a whole lot of maintenance? Your thoughts are welcomed. Thanks! :) |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jan 6 13:30:39 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 19:35:22 2015. The realism is simply stunning.--mark |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 20:54:14 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jan 6 13:30:39 2015. Hello ALL - and personally to:Kevin (Selkirk) Salaamallah Edwards Randyo Train Dude BMRR Karl M (ex NY'er) Jackson Park Larry Redbird R33 Express Rider Mark Fineman THANKS to all of you who took the time and courtesy to post your various comments and appreciation of my modeling work after viewing my various postings of photos on this thread. ---> Salaamallah -- I always enjoy your very excellent photography of Traction photos wherever you photograph them - and I saved a number of them. ---> KEVIN (Selkirk) -- Well, MOOOoo... I actually did some new sign neater artwork for HONARKS SIGN and now plan to set up a new digital photo shoot with better scenes than those earlier done from years ago (in the, uggghh, old MSN WebTV Days, heh) -- so be patient -- and thanks for the support here ! ---> KARL M -- we know each other well as you are long a friend and member of my NYC Transit Modeler Group forum board. Well guys, my modeling is intended to be my nostalgic humble attempt in 1/4" to foot (1:48) at small scale replication of the scenes and equipment from the times of my youth - and intended to provoke and generate memories in those viewing my work. If any of you want to continue to follow photo updates to this lifetime ongoing modeling work always in progress (heh) -- here are links to my various websites for this huge Layout ================================================================ BELOW is the LINK to my FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM Webpage My FLICKR PHOTOSTREAM WEBPAGE ==================================================================== BELOW is a Browser-More-Friendly and quicker loading page version of the above FLICKR Photostream original website MY FLICK-RIVER version PHOTOSTREAM page ==================================================================== To view my various PHOTOS ALBUMS which are set up to showcase photos of certain subject matter parts of the layout and types of rolling stock on the layout, here is the LINK to my FLICKR PHOTOS ALBUM SETS page. Click each Album COVER PHOTO LINK to open each album; MY FLICKR PHOTO ALBUM SETS WEBPAGE ==================================================================== BELOW is a Browser-More-Friendly and quicker loading page version of the above FLICKR PHOTO ALBUM SETS original website. Click each Album COVER PHOTO LINK to open each album; MY FLICK-RIVER version PHOTO ALBUM SETS page =================================================================== Here below are the LINKS to TWO custom webpages I wrote and created via HTML code. One is the main website for my Layout. One features Work Cars, Trains on the Layout. Note the PREVIOUS and NEXT page movement buttoms at bottom of each page. N.Y. CITY MODEL TRANSIT SYSTEM - MAIN WEBSITE WORK CARS & TRAINS of the N.Y. CITY MODEL TRANSIT SYSTEM ==================================================================== And of course, lastly, the LINK again to my Layout VIDEOS hosted on my YOU TUBE account weppage; MY LAYOUT VIDEOS LIST ON MY YOU TUBE PAGE ===================================================================== So, in closing, here NOW are all my Layout Website links listed at one location, for those of you listed above to save this message with them, or to save each linked website for future visiting and viewing. Here BELOW are a few move photos - some of just a few of my various model SMEE Cars and a few other scenes. Hope you all like these also. Regards ! - Joe F 
 
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Jan 6 21:16:34 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 20:54:14 2015. Joe, I've got to be honest, these are some of the most excellent shots of realistic NYC subway train sets and replications that I've ever seen!Well done, phenomenal job! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 6 21:47:13 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 6 12:50:03 2015. What year did you get on that “older train” at 59 St? I think that if it were any time after 1958 it would have been a Lo-V or possibly a Steinway if it was a Pelham train since AFAIK, the Hi-Vs were out of passenger service by then. When I was much younger, I really didn’t know what a Hi-V or Lo-V was. Living in upper Manhattan and occasionally going to see my grandmother who lived off the Pelham line in the south Bronx, I always remembered seeing the large brass controller handle of the Hi-Vs. One Saturday, my mother and I went to visit my sister in Woodlawn and instead of taking the A to the D to a bus, we took the Bway Exp to the shuttle to the Lex. At G/Cent, the M/M had his cab door open while waiting for a lcl connection and I was surprised at the controller I saw which didn’t look anything line what I thought an IRT controller should look like. It was the first time I ever saw a Lo-V controller and as I got older, I got to learn about the different types of IRT cars. Depending on your age at the tim, you may not have had any more knowledge of the various types of IRT cars than I did. I may have ridden the Bluebird and/or the Budd Zephyr on the rare occasions I used the 14 St Line and the Fkln Shtl but I was so unknowledgable at that age, I really don’t remember. I do remember Multis and D types since they were around long enough for me to become aware of the various car types. I may have even ridden a composite on either the 3 Av El or the Polo Grounds Shuttle, but I was so young when they were taken out if service, that they probably seemed like just an ordinary IRT subway car to me. |
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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 22:52:16 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 6 21:47:13 2015. Hello RandyoThanks for the interesting memories also (along with those of Express Rider) I recall the IRT Hi-V cars well - first from my trips on the IRT Pelham Line EL to visit a family relative in the Bronx in the 1950 to 1960 era...riding the Hi-V's of course thru their end of passenger service some time in 1958. (Some lasted in Work service until about 1960) Also riding the IRT B'way (Manhattan) Local generally with Hi-V's. I recall on all of many trips working my way up a few cars to the front car with my dad or uncle - whomever was my occasional riding adult companion. Most Hi-V trains then were Hi-V MUDC cars with "modified" Hi-V Gibbs, Hi-V Hedley Standard Body or Hi-V Deck Roof "Manually Operated Doors" cars on each end. I know YOU know WHY the manual door cars were in those positions there, as I do ! Well, occasionally the dreaded hated GIBBS CAR, to me at least back then, was at the head end, with its vestibule twin parlor sliding doors closed - closing off the entire end platform and vestibule (and its motorman. And,if lucky (heh) with the twin roller-curtains only a few inches above the bottoms of the tall narrow glass window in each sliding "vestible parlor door". Well, crouching down, and looking upward, (looking like a fool, I guess) all I could see thru the high up small 2-piece square "Gibbs type" storm door window was tunnel lights flashing by. Pretty soon I gave up with a stiff neck and went back to be seated next to my adult relative. Other than the multi-panels in the Hi-V Motor Cars steel end and center doors, the interiors had a similar "basic" IRT subway car "look" on the Hi and Low-V Classes. Hi-V Trailers looked just like Low-V Trailers...all having a single panel in each vestibule and car center side door. Who "woulda thunk" these would be the pre-cursor to full width cabs about 45 years later ! Deck Roof and Hedley Hi-V cars were much more welcomed by me at the head end of any Hi-V consist. Of course, I didn't know the class-name differences until I joined ERA in 1959 and learned all that quickly. The Hi-V cars most definately had a louder, more groaning growling bull & pinion gears sound -- and the multi-lurching as the M/M notched up each point on the multi-point manual accelleration controller handle when departing each station. The electric version of the auto or truck "stick shift" we knew well back then, heh. I rode Composites on the Manhattan 3rd Ave EL in 1949 and 1950 only a few times - and remember them well mainly because they were much different than "regular" cars on the "EL". They had the (to me) unique "subway all longitudal" style seating and center doors. As opposed to the much more familiar "EL CAR" types seating style(called "Manhattan") and NO center doors. I use to wonder then how the "IRT Lex Line "subway cars" got up on the 3rd Ave EL, ie: where was the track connection ! Of course, thru ERA and its members, I learned it all by 1960. Also rode Gate Cars in that 1949-1950 period a rare few times on the "EL" (and enjoyed the rare "rolling front porch" views forward!) as they were being used to replace Composite car consists gradually being removed for their trucks-swapped for new to soon arrive Q-Types by May 1950. But most of the trips were on MUDC's...and after May 1950, expresses of MUDC or Q-Type trains. I recall seeing Blue Birds stored in the Fresh Pond Yards but never rode them...did ride the MULTI's in Myrtle-Chambers service. And the Myrtle EL BU Gates until May 1958. And C-types a number of times on the Fulton El remant until 1956. And of course loads of B Types and D Types. What great fond, and to me, nostalgia years they were being young back then - experiencing the gradual tail end of so much of the unique variety of very old pre-war steel subway car and wooden "EL" car rolling stock - even if we didn't know their "technical names and classes" in our very young years. But the MEMORIES remain ! Thus WHY I do my modeling work ! regards - Joe F |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 7 00:58:44 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 20:54:14 2015. Never ceases to amaze, bro! And greatly looking forward to seeing that Honark's Pigway. We'll tell them the story then. (grin)Long way home from WebTV, eh? Looking good, my man! |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 7 01:02:24 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Mon Jan 5 19:35:22 2015. Wowee, those are awesome. thanks for showing them to us.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 7 12:34:14 2015, in response to Re: What is this supposed to be?, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Tue Jan 6 22:52:16 2015. You were lucky if you could see out the small storm door window on the Gibbs, since the manual door Gibbs cars had many of those windows wither replaced by metal panels or painted over affording no visibility. At lest the MUDC gibbs had a regular sliding storm door which afforded some visibility unless the M/M opened the half cab door all the way blocking the view. |
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