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The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014 Sheepsheadbites blog |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. Reactivation of this line is one of those, it would be nice, things.The MTA is already billions in the red with the 10 billion hole in the ground (East Side Access), not to mention 2nd Ave STUBway, #7 extension, etc. A-N-D lets not forget LIRR & M-N projects. Plus the replacement of MC system is something they are finding it harder & harder to keep putting off (anothe multi million dollar project) So, I don't see them taking on another multi milluion dollar project. Regarding Woodhaven Blvd, the SBS money is in a different bucket (federal), so I don't see you or anyone else stopping this, even if you are able to make very good points. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Nov 25 07:48:47 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014. The MTA is not in the red because of the #7 extension. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 25 08:36:17 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Nov 25 07:48:47 2014. The City paid for the #7 Extension. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 25 08:36:52 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 25 08:36:17 2014. Yes, that's why. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 25 09:24:47 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. As I wrote there (under my Twitter handle, Hoops And Horses):This definitely needs to be done: If people who want to see this happen can somehow convince Genting (the parent company of Resorts World that runs the Casino at Aqueduct) to get behind this, They stand to benefit from having a second line stop at Aqueduct coming from Queens Boulevard as part of this. To get them to back it, however, it could require whatever new line that runs that way come from lower Manhattan. As Genting is based outside the US and given from my own experiences in dealing with people from outside the US that lower Manhattan is still considered to be by many of those people to be "The Financial District" (even if most know that is no longer the case), that could be a stipulation to get them to back such a line. With that in mind, I would be looking at a new (W) train that would run from Whitehall Street via the Broadway Line and Queens Boulevard to the Rockaway Beach Line and Rockaway Park. That would require a slew of other changes that would include the (D) and (R) trains changing southern terminals in Brooklyn (so the (R) has a yard), the (R) going back to being the 24/7 Astoria Line like it was through 1987 and the (N) becoming part-time to Astoria and the rest of the time perhaps being a supplement to the (Q) on the SAS. The other option would be to have a 6th Avenue branch be the SAS if a lower Manhattan requirement is not necessary. This would actually be better and a lot simpler since such could be a revived (V) train from 2nd Avenue to Rockaway Park via 63rd Street (but with the (M) also continuing on 6th Avenue as well). |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 10:32:01 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. Here are a couple absurdities regarding this report.1. According to the study, restoration ...would generate as many as 500,000 daily riders. The typical number of weekday unlinked trips on the entire LIRR was 334,093 in 2012. The RBB, with only 5 new stations is supposed to generate almost 50% more trips than the entire LIRR. 2. “Next to Staten Island, Queens has the worst public transit in the city. However, Queens is much more populated than Staten Island so the need for faster improved transit service is greatest in Queens. There are very limited subways in Queens; Many Queens areas are not within 1/2 mile of a subway station. However, the area around the RBB already has excellent subway coverage. The Brooklyn Manor, Woodhaven Jct and Ozone Park stations are within 1/2 mile of an existing A or J/Z station. Most of the area around the Rego Park Station is within 1/2 mile of either the 63rd Drive or Woodhaven Blv M/R Stations. Only the area around the Parkside Station lies further than 1/2 mile from an existing subway station. Parkside is 1 mile from the E/F/M/R Continental Ave station. History shows that people will opt for cheaper subways when given a choice between the subway and the more expensive LIRR. Queens was an exclusive LIRR territory before the Dual Contracts. Competition from the subways caused the LIRR to close stations and abandon lines. The slide from profitability to abandonment could be quite swift. The Whitestone Branch was abandoned 4 years after the subway was extended to Flushing. The same pattern was repeated in the Bronx, where the NYC and NH stations provided profitable service before the Dual Contract subways came. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:54:00 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014. What's the "MC System"? |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Lance52 on Tue Nov 25 11:43:18 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 10:54:00 2014. Metro-Card payment system. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 25 12:01:06 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 10:32:01 2014. The typical number of weekday unlinked trips on the entire LIRR was 334,093 in 2012. The RBB, with only 5 new stations is supposed to generate almost 50% more trips than the entire LIRR.Granted estimates are high, but we are talking city Subway service not LIRR service however. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 25 12:02:06 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 25 09:24:47 2014. If people who want to see this happen can somehow convince Genting (the parent company of Resorts World that runs the Casino at Aqueduct) to get behind this, They stand to benefit from having a second line stop at Aqueduct coming from Queens Boulevard as part of this.Keep dreaming!!! |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 25 12:32:15 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Lance52 on Tue Nov 25 11:43:18 2014. Ok, thanks. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 12:39:20 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 25 12:01:06 2014. Granted estimates are high, but we are talking city Subway service not LIRR service however.The report was for LIRR service to Penn Sta. That's the basis for the low price tag. If you are talking about subway service, then the link to the QB line will cost over $1 billion extra. Moreover the service will be local along QB because the express tracks are already maxed out at 30 tph. The total number of passengers crossing between Queens and Manhattan on a typical 2013 weekday was 967,973. This includes the 42nd, 53rd, 60th and 63rd St tunnels in both directions. These 5 new stations, only one of which does not overlap an existing station, is supposed to generate generate 51% of new traffic. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 25 16:30:53 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014. Who's to say MTA can;t get Federal money for Rockaway branch? |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 25 17:00:54 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 25 09:24:47 2014. Lower Manhattan already has reasonably quick access to Howard Beach and the Rockaways in the form of the A train. The current A from Fulton Center will get there faster than a W running over a revived Rockaway Beach Branch. It is Midtown that needs access without going through Downtown. It really doesn't matter where the train comes from before reaching Midtown. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 25 17:21:42 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. Good luck with this.I had an opportunity to walk along the line last week in the area between the Whitepot Underjump and the Fleet Street overpass. When I went to school in that area in the mid 1970's, the tracks were still in place, but overgrown with weeds and trees. Last week I found that the tracks in a large portion of this area have been torn up. There is now a cinder block wall along the ROW where the tracks used to be. I don't know who put that up but it may have something to do with the Forest Hills Little League, which has four fields directly adjacent to the ROW. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:47:03 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 25 17:00:54 2014. Either way, any train that would access the Rockaways via Qns Blvd would be coming from lower Manhattan with the possible exception of the M and even that is relatively close to down town. What could possibly be done is to run the M to Jamaica center as the Qns Blvd Exp and run the E as a Qns Blvd lcl to one of the Rockaway branches The only problem would come in during late nigh hours and weekends but if that were ever to happen the M would,probably have to become a full time service to Qns Blvd. Although I would like to see the old Rockaway branch reactivated there is one drawback and that is the bellmouths N/O 63 Dr provide easy access only to the Qns Blvd lcl tracks so attempting to provide an express service to the Rockaways which would be more desirable would cause congestion due to possibly having to switch an express service to the lcl tk N/O Roosevelt Av. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 25 22:12:10 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 12:39:20 2014. Even with the current inflated costs of all transit construction, I am hard pressed to believe that a subway connection using the existing bellmouths to the Queens Blvd tunnels would cost $1 billion extra over LIRR service, unless I am missing something here. The 63 St connector cost less than that as I recall and there were no bellmouths and the tunnel actually had to be widened an entire track width, all while maintaining daily service. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 23:16:18 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Nov 25 22:12:10 2014. The 63rd St Connector cost $645 million. That project started in 1992. That's 22 years ago. While the bellmouths might be present, the tunnel under the Queens Blv Line isn't. There's also the question of which cross street to use to get from the LIRR ROW to Queens Blv. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Nov 25 23:28:35 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 25 16:30:53 2014. Or get private enterprise interested. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 25 23:39:43 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:47:03 2014. Why switch the M with the E? Just run the M to the Rockaways, and the G all the other times (run the M 7 days a week if weekend day time ridership warrants it).As for the bellmouths, it's probably better for the connections to rise up to the local and express tracks to connect with both. It would be more expensive, but it would be worth it. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 00:01:16 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 25 23:16:18 2014. The Rockaway cut to the Queens Blvd subway is Above all four tracks,not under. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Nov 26 07:19:18 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:47:03 2014. But then the QB express would both be 6th Ave trains whereas now they are 8th ave and 6 th Ave |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Nov 26 07:20:18 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 25 17:21:42 2014. The tracks would have had to have been ripped up either way |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Nov 26 07:20:20 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 25 17:21:42 2014. The tracks would have had to have been ripped up either way |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Nov 26 09:13:35 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:47:03 2014. Due to platform restrictions which limits the consist of the M train, swapping it with the E train would severally limit capacity and cause more overcrowding on the QBlvd Express.I don't see the need as someone suggested of removing the R from QBLVD local service if the Rockaway Beach Line was activated since there is capacity to add more service on the QBLVD local tracks. I don't know if the Sixth Avenue tracks can handle an additional service, but if it could you could start the W at Second Avenue and go through the 63rd St. Tunnel. Then connect to the local tracks at 36th st. instead of starting it at Whitehall. Of course running it from Houston St. along the SAS through the 63rd St. Tunnel would be nice to if Phase III of SAS were to ever be built. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 10:17:31 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 00:01:16 2014. I guess you guys never read my posts on this.i,ve posted at least 5 times or more on what is built.what is built is a 2 track tunnel under 66rh.ave that goes for at least a train length headed towards the lirr with 1 track still in place with 3rd rail& signals. its lirr bound.having seen the AS BUILT blueprints in the early `70`s there is an under jump IN PACE below the 4 track row[YES I WAS IN IT & BROUGHT SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO POST HERE IN IT]there is a separate tunnel alongside the 4 track row that comes put just before 63rd.drive the underjump is sealed within the confines of the 4 track ROW at both ends,apx 200 feet. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 10:52:16 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 10:17:31 2014. In other words, Edwards! is wrong. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 26 12:02:48 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Nov 26 07:20:20 2014. Its not happening. Too bad, I say. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:27:36 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 25 23:39:43 2014. Since the bellmouths are already in place from the local tracks, the entire subway infrastructure would have to be widened similarly to what was done N/O Qns Plz in order to provide access to both exp and lcl tks and that would drive up the cost of building the connection making it less desirable. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:49:52 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Nov 26 07:19:18 2014. Good point but unfortunately, the way the infrastructure was built pretty much dictates the number of available options. Even the proposed connection the the Rockaways from N/O Roosevelt Av was shortsightedly designed with access only from the local tracks. Considering that the IND was supposed to have been built in such a way as to eliminate the problems that the BMT and IRT had regarding junctions, it seemed to have dropped the ball at locations like Canal St, Jay St, 50/6 and Qns Plaza.Those locations should have been designed as flying junctions like 42/8, 59 St and 135 St so that both lcl and exp trains could access all available branches. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 26 13:03:28 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:47:03 2014. If you ran the M from Rockaway Park over the revived Rockaway Beach Branch, then onto Queens Blvd via its current route, the resulting overall run from Rockaway Park to Metropolitan Ave. would have the form of a spiral, circling around almost three times. A very unusual shape for a subway line. But if they can run the current M, whose two ends are not that far from each other, there is no real reason they couldn't run the extended version. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:33:51 2014, in response to The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 24 17:16:50 2014. Love the photo of the MP54s on the line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:34:41 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by MR RT on Tue Nov 25 07:44:04 2014. The MTA is already billions in the redThey're hiding a lot of cash, methinks. But ESA will mess them up. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 13:46:53 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:27:36 2014. Not if one of the current QB locals (M or R) were to be rerouted down the Rockaway branch. Just use the bellmouth as is. Why make the E local? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 14:02:08 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 25 09:24:47 2014. None of that is necessary! And Genting will NOT be paying for any subway extension, definitely not one that runs local on Queens Blvd and Midtown Manhattan, before finally reaching Lower Manhattan. Why would they, when there's already a line that runs from Aqueduct to Lower Manhattan that runs express through Brooklyn most hours. It's called the A train!All that's needed is to reroute the M train down the Rockaway branch. There is absolutely no need to rearrange subway lines in Brooklyn or to crowd the 6th Ave local tracks with a revived V, like you keep suggesting. None of that is necessary! Just keep it simple. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 14:05:11 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Nov 25 17:00:54 2014. That's what I've been trying to tell him, both here and on NYC Transit Forums. He won't listen. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 26 14:58:10 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 14:02:08 2014. Genting doesn't care about subways. It has dedicated buses from Manhattan. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 15:12:51 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by italianstallion on Wed Nov 26 14:58:10 2014. I know. I see their red buses all the time. That's why Wallyhorse need to quit bringing them up every time a Rockaway branch thread comes up. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 15:50:03 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now!, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:33:51 2014. that's the last train on the last day of lirr service. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 26 16:01:58 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 12:27:36 2014. I understand that, but just going with the current configuration means Rockaway trains will have to cross the local tracks to get to the express tracks at best. This means less flexibility and pretty much no chance of a fast route to Manhattan, unless they connect to the J and install an express track(s). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 26 16:03:52 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:34:41 2014. Not to forget that they are sitting on Filet Mingon real estate in Midtown Manhattan 341-345-347 Madison Ave, which last time I checked are almost completely vacant.Many offices have re-located to the Graybar Bldg, GCT, or to the BSC center over on the west side |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Nov 26 16:29:15 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 26 16:03:52 2014. Not to forget that they are sitting on Filet Mingon real estate in Midtown ManhattanJim: What I remember about the food service at 347 was the Greasy Spoon Deli run by the Mario Brothers. They certainly didn't have anything resembling Filet Mingon. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:21:20 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 26 13:03:28 2014. Actually, there is no problem with that but the argument was made that the service to the Rockaways (more specifically Aqueduct) should be able to bring people from the financial district even though present A service accomplishes that already. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:23:04 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Nov 26 13:46:53 2014. There is nothing wrong with that except that both the M and R are Qns blvd lcls and an all local service might not be as attractive to potential passengers. |
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Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 17:28:32 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:21:20 2014. you DO NOT have wall st.types at racino[aquaduct] |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 26 17:46:30 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 17:28:32 2014. I agree, but it was mentioned that the operators of the Aqueduct casino would perceive that direct access to that area would be necessary anyhow. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 26 17:58:55 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Nov 26 16:29:15 2014. Yep remember that outpost well. When the lettering system from the health dept went into effect, many wondered why it didn't get a ZHowever, I guess MTA employees had strong stomachs, the place was a gold mine. When they closed shop,the Mario Bros took their fortune & went back to Grease...I mean Greece!:) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:31:06 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by TUNNELRAT on Wed Nov 26 10:17:31 2014. Thank you for that...I'm sorry, got my locations mixed up there.. Its okay,it happens. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:33:24 2014, in response to Re: The Time for Reactivation of the Rockaway Beach Line is Now, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 10:52:16 2014. So..?You're an asshole. Everyone knows it, except You. We are Right. You are Wrong,as always. |
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