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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014 Download files: http://www.panynj.gov/about/CHFP_draft_Tier_1_EIS/CHFP_Tier1_EIS_downloads.htmlThe construction of a Cross Harbor Rail and Freight Tunnel beneath New York Harbor between New York City and New Jersey is again making inroads towards becoming a reality – nearly a decade after the over 30-year-old project was put on the back burner due to then-Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s opposition. The new movement comes with the release of a “Draft Tier I Environment Impact Statement” (EIS) by the Port Authority of NY and NJ and the Federal Highway Administration, which lists the positive and negative impacts of such a tunnel on surrounding neighborhoods, including Brooklyn’s Bay Ridge, Borough Park and Flatbush communities, as well as other areas that lead into Queens, Long Island, Westchester and southern Connecticut. Supporters tout the tunnel as a key infrastructure project critical to the New York metropolitan area’s ability to transport products efficiently. “The New York region moves goods extremely inefficiently, largely by road-clogging trucks, and to terrible effect,” said Congressmember Jerrold Nadler, one of the staunchest proponents of the Cross Harbor Tunnel project. “It will reduce pollution, reduce the cost of goods and the cost of doing business, grow jobs, and make us all safer,” said Nadler, “by both ensuring easier movement of emergency vehicles and securing an additional route by which we can get vital goods into the region, should our primary route be compromised.” At issue is the large and ever-increasing volume of trucks on New York thoroughfares, bringing into the region the goods from outside that are needed by the growing population of the city and nearby suburbs. Now, much of that traffic utilizes such entry points as the Verrazano Narrows Bridge (which currently carries an average of 195,000 vehicles a day) and the George Washington Bridge - a situation that will continue to get worse if nothing is done, said Laura Shabe, manager of the Cross Harbor Freight Program for the Port Authority, in 2011. Mayor Bill de Blasio and U.S. Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand also voiced support for the tunnel, with de Blasio calling it a “smart investment” towards “making our city more sustainable” and Schumer touting it as an example of big-picture planning “for the future economic growth of the region. . .without unduly burdening any community [when] done right.” However, some residents of Flatbush and Boro Park are concerned about exactly that possibility of “undue burden” on their communities, specifically regarding vibrations, noise and pollution from passing freight trains on apartment buildings, homes and businesses – which sit directly adjacent to the track. Environmental studies dating to when the project was last active raise concern about whether the impacts could be mitigated, particularly with respect to buildings more than two stories in height. “No one’s against [the project], but there are a lot of unanswered questions and people are concerned early and rightfully so,” said Morris Sacks, member-at-large and former co-chair of Community Board 14’s Transportation Committee – which covers Midwood, Flatbush and parts of Kensington. “The concern is with the [rail] cuts being used for freight. The trains would connect to the old Bay Ridge railroad line, lead to Avenue H and I, and increase one track to two tracks plus use for freight,” explained Sacks. “Vibrations, noise, potential pollution. . . currently, trains are much improved than what they once were, but they are still a source of pollution.” http://www.homereporternews.com/news/general/cross-harbor-freight-tunnel-s-wheels-start-turning-again/article_bd8d2f2a-7032-11e4-96e3-5b5c147b5999.html |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 20 11:09:40 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. Got to chuckle when someone talks about the freight trains as a source of pollution. What do they think comes out of the hundreds if not thousands of trucks that would come off the roads if rail freight were available in a practical manner? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 11:12:17 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 20 11:09:40 2014. Maybe they meant noise pollution lol, a lot of the freight cars be having flat wheels in addition to the usual clickly clack noises that trains make. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Thu Nov 20 11:55:13 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Nov 20 11:12:17 2014. Yup. You can extend electrification, install continuous rails, add sound absorbing panels, but those flat spots are going to produce vibrations. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 20 14:17:23 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 20 11:09:40 2014. The trucks aren't going through THEIR neighborhoods, aside from the area around the BQE(?).On a related note, it kind of shows how difficult it will be to implement Triboro RX. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 20 15:08:30 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. Meh. Just Wilhelm kicking an old political football around.And it's way older than 30 years. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Nov 20 15:16:56 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. I wonder what the Lump - (I mean Gov. Christie) has to say about this. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:24:35 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Allan on Thu Nov 20 15:16:56 2014. If he doesn't have to pay I doubt if he cares one way or the other. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Nov 20 19:04:49 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 16:24:35 2014. He has to agree to allow the "incursion" into his fiefdom so he'll want something out of it. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 20 20:58:02 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 20 11:09:40 2014. Would it be possible to run freights through Penn Station and its tunnels during nighttime hours? They would have to switch to electric engines in New Jersey and switch back to diesels in Queens, or vice versa. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 21:18:34 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 20 20:58:02 2014. Guess it would be but Amtrak would have to sign off on it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 20 22:42:20 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 20 20:58:02 2014. What kind of freights? Remember that the tunnels have limited vertical and horizontal clearance.And no freight railroad, save those dedicated power company railroads out west that run between the mine and the power station, has any electric engines anymore. Given the cost of NJT's ALP-45DPs (about $12 million a pop), that would turn off any railroad in terms of investing in such units. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 20 23:10:25 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. How can a rail tunnel ever compete in price with running trains express from NJ to Long Island overnight via the Selkirk Bridge? |
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Posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 09:24:49 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Thu Nov 20 23:10:25 2014. The point is to get the trucks off the George Washington & V-N bridges.That would be a big hit to the MTA Bridges & Tunnel Auth., but would ease traffic congestion on those bridges ... not to mention the ware & tear to those bridges. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 21 11:41:06 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 20 22:42:20 2014. I was actually thinking that freight RRs would rent the services of Amtrak to haul the trains through the tunnels during late-night hours. Would Amtrak (or maybe NJT) have the locos available to do that? Would they have the legal ability to do it? They might actually make some money doing it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 11:57:01 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 09:24:49 2014. Maybe MTA could run the tunnel and charge tolls! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Nov 21 12:40:11 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 21 11:41:06 2014. Every year the loco-hauled passenger/freight circus train run through Penn Station to Long Island so it's not entirely impossible. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 12:40:48 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 09:24:49 2014. A single rail freight tunnel is not going to do that. |
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Posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 14:46:44 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 11:57:01 2014. Right ... they could call it the NY Cross harbor & collect a fee just as if they were a RxR :-) |
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Posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 14:47:31 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 12:40:48 2014. With 50 to 100 car trains ? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:05:47 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 09:24:49 2014. The point is to get the trucks off the George Washington & V-N bridges.That would be a big hit to the MTA Bridges & Tunnel Auth., but would ease traffic congestion on those bridges ... not to mention the ware & tear to those bridges. But the capital cost of building the tunnel would require payments of hundreds of millions of dollars a year in interest. How can that compete with running trains up to the Selkirk bridge and back down? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:07:45 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 11:57:01 2014. Unfortunately, we're talking tens of thousands per rail car to break even. :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 15:07:51 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 14:47:31 2014. Nope. Those are unit trains for the most part. And local freight traffic has been surrendered to the trucks for the greatest part. How many active sidings are on LIRR these days? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:49:40 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 15:07:51 2014. But why not assemble a train full of containers each afternoon in NJ, send them express overnight to Brookhaven via Selkirk Bridge, and truck them to their LI destination the next morning?It seems like a modest proposal that could save lots of cross-NYC truck traffic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 16:15:03 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:49:40 2014. Not terribly modest if the freight tunnel's viability has to hinge on that. It'll certainly make some people question whether or not a mid-Manhattan expressway tunnel would cost less. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:29:43 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:49:40 2014. You've asked this multiple times and no one's answered you coherently. Very curious.Maybe there's not enough track capacity on the West Side line, the Hudson line and the Hell Gate Bridge for all the freight traffic? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:49:23 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:49:40 2014. Have you read the DEIS linked in the OP? It discusses the Selkirk Bridge route as an impediment to increased freight traffic to Long Island and as a principal reason why the Cross Harbor Tunnel needs to be built:Freight to and from Long Island, destined for customers across the Hudson River, must either complete the 48-hour (300-mile) trip via Fresh Pond Yard in Queens and the old New York Central Bridge in Selkirk, New York, or travel via NYNJR on a railcar float service between the Bay Ridge Branch (65th Street Yard) and Greenville Yard (see Figure 1-5). The only overland freight line connection between Long Island and the continental United States is the Hell Gate Bridge. These limited rail crossings comprise a heavy limitation on the transfer of freight across New York Harbor and the Hudson River via rail and are central to defining the need for the proposed project. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 16:52:24 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:29:43 2014. One train overnight to start? Double track the west side line if the proposal is so successful that capacity is strained? Admittedly, capacity below Croton is strained in rush hour, but some of that has 5 tracks too.It's a very simple question and no one can provide an answer. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:54:27 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. This project will likely kill any chance for future passenger revival on the Bay Ridge Branch. The DEIS discarded as one of the potential options a combined passenger/freight tunnel because, inter alia, the Bay Ridge Branch could not accommodate passenger traffic once increased freight traffic from the tunnel started flowing over it. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 17:00:06 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 16:52:24 2014. Another constraint mentioned is that clearances on the Hudson Line are too low for double stacked freight cars, and passenger train traffic will constrain use for freight. Read Chaoter 1, Purpose and Need.I think they envision way more than one train a night as a means of reducing truck traffic substantially. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 21 17:04:22 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:54:27 2014. What about if they expand the branch to 4 tracks again? It would mean rebuilding some bridges and junctions, but otherwise it's wide enough for 4 tracks all the way to the Hell Gate bridge. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 17:30:58 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 21 17:04:22 2014. I suppose that's the only way to do it. |
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Posted by alm on Fri Nov 21 17:46:35 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 16:15:03 2014. My modest proposal is to not build the tunnel. I am proposing an alternative at a tiny fraction of the cost. |
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Posted by alm on Fri Nov 21 17:48:57 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 17:00:06 2014. I agree the Hudson Line below Croton has obstacles. But they could be cleared, outside of rush hour, at a tiny fraction of the cost of a tunnel. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Nov 21 19:06:02 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by alm on Fri Nov 21 17:48:57 2014. Can well cars operate in third rail territory? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 19:17:47 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by alm on Fri Nov 21 17:48:57 2014. Your proposal would not provide enough capacity to remove significant numbers of trucks from the roadways. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 19:34:34 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 19:17:47 2014. If the demand were there, you could run quite a few trains per day. Each train is 150 trucks even with single-stacking. Right now, the demand isn't even there for 1 train per day. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 21 20:14:30 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Gold_12th on Thu Nov 20 10:49:46 2014. What about creating a tunnel from the end of the bay ridge line into Staten Island connecting to the Northshore line which of course crosses into NJ. Distance for tunnel would be much shorter thus cheaper and only would have to deal with one state makings much less a bureaucratic nightmare... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 21 22:18:34 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:49:23 2014. The idea that a freight train takes 48 hours to travel 300 miles (that's 6,25MPH) is a disgrace. Before building the tunnels (which I support) the Poughkeepsie Bridge should be rebuilt and reclaimed for rail. If trains were operated by some COMPETENT RR the time from Oak Island/or whatever north Jersey point where the unit stack trains tie up to a new container ramp on LI should be more like overnight for morning delivery. |
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Posted by rkba on Fri Nov 21 22:24:30 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 21 22:18:34 2014. once the greenfreaks claim something, it'll never be relinquished. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 22:29:14 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 19:34:34 2014. The demand isn't there because it all goes by truck. The point is to remove the trucks, not to meet some excess demand. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 22:31:31 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Nov 21 20:14:30 2014. That was one of the options considered and discarded. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Nov 22 00:15:45 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 22:31:31 2014. Oh ok I found it yeah seems they cited incompatibilty with SIR and not having frieght run over 3rd rail(don't seem to be a problem on lirr and MN territory). They could do a double stacked tunnel like 63rd st tunnel. I guess it's down to $$ |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Nov 22 01:55:45 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by rkba on Fri Nov 21 22:24:30 2014. I own being a greenfreak and you don't speak for me. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 22 02:08:52 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:49:23 2014. Freight to and from Long Island, destined for customers across the Hudson River, must either complete the 48-hour (300-mile) trip via Fresh Pond Yard in Queens and the old New York Central Bridge in Selkirk, New York, or travel via NYNJR on a railcar float service between the Bay Ridge Branch (65th Street Yard) and Greenville Yard (see Figure 1-5).Absurdly unfair apples to oranges comparison. If the traffic volumes are high enough for the cost per train of a tunnel to be reasonable, then trains from NJ to LI will no longer need to make stops to get reassembled at Selkirk Yard an Fresh Pond Yard. There will be enough traffic to send complete trains express from NJ to Brookhaven, and that won't take 48 hours. That will take maybe 12 hours at most. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Nov 22 09:03:37 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:49:23 2014. Is there really a lot of stuff coming from New Jersey that needs to get to Long Island? Most manufactured goods are coming from overseas. "Trenton Makes. The World Takes" hasn't been true for a long time.How about building a port somewhere on Long Island instead of unloading ships in New Jersey and trying to figure out how to get the containers to Long Island. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 22 09:17:59 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by merrick1 on Sat Nov 22 09:03:37 2014. Is there really a lot of stuff coming from New Jersey that needs to get to Long Island? Most manufactured goods are coming from overseas.Goods from all over the US as well as overseas go through NJ on their way to LI. A tunnel would be far cheaper than a new port. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Sat Nov 22 17:39:55 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 09:24:49 2014. As far as I'm concerned, the can build tunnels should-to-shoulder under that part of the water to accomodate everything that's been needed for years. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 22 19:07:54 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sat Nov 22 02:08:52 2014. Not with the competing commuter and Amtrak traffic on the Hudson Line. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 22 19:07:55 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sat Nov 22 02:08:52 2014. Not with the competing commuter and Amtrak traffic on the Hudson Line. |
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