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Posted by Allan on Wed Sep 17 08:52:54 2014, in response to Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 16 20:05:08 2014. "In addition to the officials who authored the letter, the Transport Workers Union (TWU) Local 100 also supports the proposal."That would be expected (more trains, more workers, more union dues). |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 17 10:47:51 2014, in response to Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 16 20:05:08 2014. No way for express service to help overcrowding because (Bklyn) express service will not fit with (Bklyn) local service together with E trains on Queens Blvd. You will still have the same number of F trains total, even if some are express.They don't want express service; they just want more service, but there's no room for it without a relay point prior to the Queens Blvd line, and there is no realistic one available. Introducing express service means inevitably cutting local service, and the overcrowding will grow at local stations. If select F trains from Coney Island/Kings Hwy operate express north of Church Ave with a synchronized F local train starting at Church Ave so that the local stations don't "miss" a train. Still, that means two trains going through the Rutgers tube (and onto Queens Blvd) where there used to be one. Perhaps that pattern can be done twice or three times per hour, but that's it. |
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Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Sep 17 11:45:31 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 17 10:47:51 2014. Agreed. Culver express/6th Ave local service has to go to a north terminal that is not on the Queens Blvd line. There will be 2nd Ave in a couple more years. A Culver express V train can go via 6th Ave local, then switch to the SAS-bound tracks at Lexington Ave/63rd St. The bad news is that service can't really run more than 6-7 tph, because it would have to share the 6th Ave local tracks with the F and the M. |
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Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 17 11:51:03 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Allan on Wed Sep 17 08:52:54 2014. That's their job. |
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Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014, in response to Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 16 20:05:08 2014. As I said before on this: |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by snarf368 on Wed Sep 17 18:54:38 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. To possibly benefit some Brooklyn F riders, you're going to change the habits of tens of thousands of riders and just confuse them. If anything it will be a diamond F inbound AM rush/outbound PM rush. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Sep 17 19:39:22 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. no. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 17 19:56:49 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. E-mail the MTA about this and tell us what they say if and when you receive a reply.Otherwise.......(yawn). Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 17 19:56:49 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. E-mail the MTA about this and tell us what they say if and when you receive a reply.Otherwise.......(yawn). Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 17 21:48:06 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. "Wally, time for your meds!!!" |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Sep 18 08:43:12 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. You have the (F) running as Culver local at night, with the (F) and (G) both terminating at Church Av. all other times. What line serves as the Culver local daytimes and weekends?Bob |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 18 10:12:33 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. Nope.The (F) remains the Culver Local 24/7. In South Brooklyn the protocol seems to be that the LOCAL train is the 24/7 route, while an express, if any is the short-turn part-time service. Thus to re-state your proposal (F) Coney Island via Culver local 24/7 (Skips Gowanus stops when (C) is Runnng) (C) Church Avenue via Gowanus Local 16/5. (E) 8th Ave Local to Euclid 16/5, to Chambers otherwise. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 16:20:01 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by GIS Man on Thu Sep 18 08:43:12 2014. Operate it like the D did prior to Chrystie with alternate F trains terminating at Church although, I don't think that a Smith St Line express is necessary outside of rush hours anyhow. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 19 02:40:08 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by snarf368 on Wed Sep 17 18:54:38 2014. I grew up with service changes a lot. They might be confused at first, but they would get used to it.As I was always told growing up: You are supposed to pay attention. The real problem is as some have pointed out, our society is such now that people are too involved with themselves to even notice their surroundings. |
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Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 19 07:54:28 2014, in response to Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 16 20:05:08 2014. My 1987 Subway Map (they were handing them out in the Staten Island Mall- go figure) contains a promise that the F-express will return to McDonald Avenue when repairs are complete. 27 years later, I'm still waiting. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:26:41 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 18 16:20:01 2014. Not only that, but it is only required during AM rush hours. In the PM peeps (small geese) would rather get the FIRST train since one with seats would be impossible anyway from Manhattan.ROAR |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by MTA T on Fri Sep 19 08:40:53 2014, in response to Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 17 18:44:19 2014. Fuck that, just make a diamond F. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 09:53:51 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Sep 19 02:40:08 2014. If something has been working well for a long time, you don't change it. You leave well enough alone. It's when something ISN'T working well enough that you change it. And in this case, the F to Coney Island IS working well enough, even if some of the stations below Church Ave are over-served. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 10:01:37 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 08:26:41 2014. one with seats would be impossible anyway from ManhattanSo many people get off the PM rush southbound F and M at 34th and at 14th that seats can often be gotten if you're hovering in the right place as the train pulls into one of those stations. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 10:54:41 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 10:01:37 2014. So, why not hover on the FIRST train to come your way instead of having to wait for a different one. |
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Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal |
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Posted by milantram on Fri Sep 19 11:16:16 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Sep 17 11:45:31 2014. So why can't your proposed "V" train use the express tracks under 6th Avenue? The only line using it at this time is the D. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 11:22:47 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by milantram on Fri Sep 19 11:16:16 2014. Because there's also the B train on the express tracks. This would not be a weekend-only service; there's no real point in doing that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Sep 19 14:48:36 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Sep 17 11:45:31 2014. Then the new V should be the express on sixth ave,runningfrom 96th st to Church avenue. |
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Re: Restoring The Culver Express |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 19 15:02:41 2014, in response to Re: Restoring The Culver Express, posted by MTA T on Fri Sep 19 08:40:53 2014. That's basically what they had when the Stl Fs ran express on Culver. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 17:53:50 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 19 07:54:28 2014. They promise a lot of things but the public doesn't realize when an administration changes (read: MTA President) the slate of promises is wiped clean.I think it was Robert Kiley who promised GG riders that it would never terminate @ CSQ so they wouldn't have to walk thru some dark, dank, stinky tunnell to get to the 23/Ely side. Look at how some of that turned out. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 18:09:42 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 17:53:50 2014. Isn't it a new bright shiny tunnel with a moving walkway? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Sep 19 20:23:06 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by milantram on Fri Sep 19 11:16:16 2014. BRONX bound trains run on the "Express" TracksQUEENS bound trains run on the "Local" Tracks Anything else will delay the trains. ROAR |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 20:56:39 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 18:09:42 2014. Yes. But I was describing what Greenpointers were calling it when it was proposed. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Sep 22 07:42:32 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 19 17:53:50 2014. Yes- a change of administration changes everything. I've worked for NYS since 1993, so I've seen that first hand.I'm just pointing out that the end of F-Culver Express service was sold to the public a temporary change. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 08:19:19 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 19 07:54:28 2014. It was supposed to be restored in the spring of 1988, but local residents shot it down. |
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Posted by fset on Mon Sep 22 09:22:35 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 08:19:19 2014. As someone who took that F-Culver(McDonald) Express when I was in High School in the 80's, let me tell you that there were several problems with the service.In the AM, you lost the transfer at 4th Ave, which is a heavily-used station. Stations like Prospect Park and Smith-9th Street got reduced service. In mid-day, 2 Coney Island bound trains would terminate at Church Ave, leaving passengers to wait 15-20 mins for the next through train. Oh, and that Bergen Street lower platform really was like something out of an eerie movie, which is why it was used in the opening scenes of Jacob's Ladder. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:43:10 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by fset on Mon Sep 22 09:22:35 2014. Thanks for the tip, here you go everyone who wants to see what it was like:Bergen St Lower in Jacob's Ladder |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:45:29 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:43:10 2014. I often wonder if 50th St / 8th Ave Lower would be something like this if it was served by the C rather than the E. Nonetheless, I still hear how people were/are scared of it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:47:25 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by fset on Mon Sep 22 09:22:35 2014. Question: Did they shut down Bergen St Lower outside of rush hours? That is, did someone come down and tell everyone (the express trains are done)? Is something similar done at Nostrand on the A at the end of the night?I know that at 168th St on the 1 line one night when FASTRACK was taking place, people were left down there late into the night, long past 10! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 09:48:53 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:47:25 2014. But in the case of Nostrand, the express is on the UPPER level and all station access is through the upper level. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:56:34 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 09:48:53 2014. Thank you, sorry about that. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Sep 22 10:12:13 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by fset on Mon Sep 22 09:22:35 2014. Thank You! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 10:20:26 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:56:34 2014. The question is valid if asked about 86th/Lex. I think they have gates there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 10:39:10 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 09:48:53 2014. There used to be a flip sign at Nostrand telling people that all service was on the lower level. I remember watching it being flipped after the morning rush was over. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 10:43:02 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:47:25 2014. Before the metal doors were installed in 1992, the stairs to the lower level were gated. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 10:46:22 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 10:39:10 2014. The platform signage? Or something at the turnstiles? I'm sure some people probably need a barrier right ahead of the turnstiles that forces them to the staircase to the lower level. BTW do they dim / darken the platforms not in use, or is all that electricity going out the window? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Sep 22 10:54:04 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 10:20:26 2014. No gates. There used to be chains that would be put across the stairways to the lower level at 86th St./Lex at night, but they don't seem to be there anymore. Nor at 59th St. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Sep 22 12:02:35 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 10:39:10 2014. In addition there was signage for the A-train on the upper level that said when the A-train operated operated local. The sight of most folks running downstairs to catch the arriving train was also a "tell".Mike |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 22 13:07:52 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 09:43:10 2014. Artens? Still remaining at the time? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Sep 22 13:40:33 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 22 09:48:53 2014. The whiteboard in the booth says: "Last express 10:15pm" or something to that effect. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 14:39:17 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Sep 22 10:46:22 2014. It was on a fence inside fare control right at each token booth enterance. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Sep 22 15:22:20 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 22 10:43:02 2014. When did they take the tiles off the walls? In the Movie "Jacob's Ladder", which was filmed at Bergen Lower, the tiles were still on the walls. |
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Posted by milantram on Tue Sep 23 17:29:48 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 11:22:47 2014. Oh, I forgot about the B... |
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Posted by milantram on Tue Sep 23 17:29:49 2014, in response to Re: Restoring (F) Brooklyn Express train proposal, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 19 11:22:47 2014. Oh, I forgot about the B... |
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