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My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014 While a subway system will never happen in the Phoenix area, in the future we may see some expansion of the light rail and streetcar system. So, I came up with an idea for a future system of light rail lines, each with their own color. Here is what I got:
For efficient use of rail equipment, at Chandler Fashion Center Orange Line trains would leave as the Brown Line and vice-versa. Similarly, at Superstition Springs Center Pink Line trains would leave as the Purple Line and vice-versa. How are these ideas for light rail or streetcar lines? I know it seems like a lot, but this is just a dream. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 2 04:08:03 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. not bad |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 10:26:04 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. I recently rethought some of these routes and their destinations, and perhaps as an enhancement, I would extend the Blue Line to go further west and north on Loop 101 to serve Westgate. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Sep 2 11:05:21 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. In a metro area as spread out, geologically stable, and parched as Phoenix I would think it somewhat foolish to pursue surface light rail when heavy rail subways (or at least grade separated LRT) could likely be bored for prices that approach the lowest costs in the developed world. Surface LRT, even with private right of ways and dedicated lanes, simply seems too slow to provide effective transit in so extensive an area as the Phoenix Metro area. Go with ZPTO trains running at high frequency and up zone the communities adjacent to the new line. It may even be able to finance some fraction of the system through tax increment financing based on the up zoning. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 11:10:28 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by WillD on Tue Sep 2 11:05:21 2014. Why a heavy rail subway system, when light rail would be much less expensive? Even some cities that already have heavy rail systems (such as Atlanta) are considering service expansion with light rail. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Sep 2 13:37:22 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 11:10:28 2014. Why a heavy rail subway system, when light rail would be much less expensive?FWIW, if you can get costs near what Vancouver pays for SkyTrain, it starts to scream, "go ZPTO". Phoenix isn't the kind of place with lots of old railroad and interurban ROW that can be reused*, and unless you're going with considerable grade separation, you're going to end up with a system that's a bit hamstrung, especially as the light rail network ends up going rather far out on arterials to serve far flung suburbs. In contrast, with a ZPTO system, you'll get much higher average speeds, and can ramp up service for peak times or special events without worrying about employee scheduling or overtime. *One could argue that if you're in a place where you can complement your light rail network with a good regional service, then it works. If your plan is to just run 35 mph MAX light rail cars into a deep suburb, then you may really want to reconsider that plan. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by trains61 on Tue Sep 2 15:08:03 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. Paid for by whom? Channeling by inner Bill of Maspeth. A better solution would be a Commuter Rail system to lure people from, Grand Ave. corridor, I-10 and The Loop 101 and the East Valley. The tracks are basically in place now.IMHO The Light rail is a waste. It`s slow and mainly serves those headed to Downtown Phoenix and ASU. Every year we are tasked by my employer to take a stupid Maricopa County Transportation survey, with no results or action :-( Signed, The Lurker`s Guild in AZ. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 15:18:36 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by trains61 on Tue Sep 2 15:08:03 2014. The light rail is not a waste, as the ridership speaks for itself. Note that the extension to the Downtown Mesa Mormon Temple should be completed by late next year, and the first phase of the Northwest extension should be complete in 2016. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 15:23:41 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. Note that there is a slight error in the Silver Line route. Instead of east on Peoria, it should read east on Shea. In addition, it would go north on Tatum, not on 56th Street.Also, I came up with an alternate version of the Orange Line route. Instead of using 67th Avenue and Northern, it would use Glendale Ave and 59th Avenue to better serve Downtown Glendale and Glendale Community College. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by trains61 on Wed Sep 3 02:16:34 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 15:18:36 2014. Still a waste IMO . It does not go where people live in its` present routing. Remember LRT was supposed to develop surrounding areas around the alignment? Have you been between 44th St. and 7th St.?If it wasn`t for the different ASU campuses(and Community Colleges along the route), the ridership numbers would be quite different. Check the numbers when ASU is not in session. Also with the increase in parking fees in downtown Phoenix, it will not send folks to the events down there by LRT, but to the Casinos. More and more top acts are there compared to downtown. Some folks I know from the Eastern suburbs have tried it as a novelty, but have stated they won`t use it again. I realize I may sound selfish, but it doesn`t meet my needs. Not one single bit. I would have been better served with commuter rail as the tracks are very near my residence. I will admit that the eventual extention to Superstition Springs is a positive thing(I can`t comment on the West as I don`t reside over there) I still maintain the LRT does not go where most folks reside. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 3 03:50:09 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 11:10:28 2014. Because the increase in speed for grade separated transit (not necessarily heavy rail, although ZPTO would be a big plus) is so much greater. So long as the capital costs are kept in check and it doesn't go all SAS on us, then it doesn't have to go tremendously fast to provide a much better value for money. There is so much room for improvement for rapid transit construction costs that Phoenix would be an ideal place to try to build a low cost grade separated rapid transit line. IMHO going to something like the single bore tunnels used for Barcelona's Line 9/10 could go a long way toward reducing capital cost:
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Sep 3 11:18:53 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 3 03:50:09 2014. Well, unless Phoenix has a massive slab of bedrock to dig through and a bunch of argumentative, idiotic putzs for a state government, they shouldn't have to worry about going SAS. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Wed Sep 3 14:55:31 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. Also, for those who were wondering about the choice of my colors, most of them are rather random, however, with the Brown Line I tried to avoid majority Hispanic areas (the Asian-American residents of Atlanta had an issue with MARTA's Yellow Line which is why it was renamed the Gold Line).While the Phoenix area doesn't really have any true gay neighborhoods, I routed the Pink Line through areas with likely low gay populations (East Mesa, Gilbert, and most of Chandler). Routing the Pink Line through areas with high gay populations would promote the stereotype that all gay men like the color pink, which is false and totally insulting to both gay and straight men. Also, I named the original route (plus extensions) the Red Line since many transit agencies often tend to name their first color-coded route as such, followed by the Blue Line as their second route (which would be the proposed I-10 West route). The Tempe Streetcar I named the Green Line, because it seems that Tempe is a greener city than most others (even most of the Tempe-owned Valley Metro buses are painted green on the front and on the CNG tanks). Also, I did not use Yellow at all; I used the Gold Line like MARTA in Atlanta. The Silver Line, Orange Line, and Purple Line are completely random. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Sun Nov 16 22:25:47 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. It has been over 2 months since I posted in this thread, but I also talked about this at the transit forum of AARoads, and as a modification, perhaps the Gold Line can be routed to turn north/south at either Priest or Mill instead of Dobson. This would reduce overlap with the Red and Blue Lines, as too many lines on such a long segment may lead to train bunching.BTW, I personally think the Pink, Purple, and Brown Lines would be quite popular with mall shoppers. The Pink Line would connect Superstition Springs Center with SanTan Village and Chandler Fashion Center, the Purple Line would connect Superstition Springs Center with Arizona Mills, and the Brown Line would connect Chandler Fashion Center with Scottsdale Fashion Square. The Orange Line would also connect Chandler Fashion Center with Arrowhead Towne Center, although it is quite a long way. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Mon Nov 17 21:36:00 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Sun Nov 16 22:25:47 2014. A map with an overlay of your proposals would be a big help in visualizing a Phoenix rail system. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Mon Nov 17 23:39:14 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by George Foelschow on Mon Nov 17 21:36:00 2014. Sorry, but it would take a very long time to draw all of the exact routes, and such a map would be huge in size. I gave a text explanation of each route in my OP, with some modifications for the Blue, Orange, and Gold Lines in my later posts. Also, the Silver Line had an error in my OP; instead of Peoria Avenue and 56th Street, it should be Shea Blvd and Tatum.You can look at a map of the Phoenix metropolitan area and follow each line based on the directions given in text. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Mon Nov 24 14:41:13 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Mon Nov 17 23:39:14 2014. Looks like somebody from AARoads has decided to help me out and draw a map of my light rail and streetcar system. Note that there is a slight error with the Pink Line, as my idea doesn't include the north-south stretch on 48th Street as indicated on the maps provided. Also, the Green Line (Tempe Streetcar) is missing the segment to the Tempe Public Library. In addition, the Blue Line is also supposed to overlap with the Red Line from Downtown Phoenix to Downtown Mesa, although the map appears to only show the Red and Gold Lines.Here are the maps (courtesy of blanketcomputer of AARoads): System-wide:  Southeast Valley zoomed in:  Northwest Valley zoomed in: 
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 25 01:29:34 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Wed Sep 3 14:55:31 2014. this color issue...absolutely the stupidest thing i've ever heard. the chinese...excuse me, asian, people didn't want a line to be called yellow??? screw them. first of all, i have no doubt at all that the overwheming majority of asians didn't give a shyte about it. maybe a few got some laughs about pissing off the round eyes but i'm sure most didn't care one way or another. besides, when demographic changes occur and aneighborhood changes "color", the offense, so to speak is not applicable. i would have told them "really? okay, fine...let's call it the nada line then, 'cos that's what wwe're gonna build now in your neighborhood." what a bunch of idiots. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 25 01:49:33 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Mon Nov 24 14:41:13 2014. is it me, or do most of those areas look like empty lots? unfortunately, the brooklyn experience was mainly a one time thing. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Nov 25 15:53:43 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 25 01:49:33 2014. Remember, the Phoenix area isn't as dense as NYC or Chicago, so the lines are more spread out than the NYC Subway or the Chicago L. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Nov 25 16:49:57 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 25 01:29:34 2014. Actually, it is true. There was even a thread about it:Asians find the term "yellow line" offensive |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:56:05 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Nov 25 16:49:57 2014. If I recall, the only thing that Asians found offensive about the “Yellow” line in that case, was that it went through a predominantly Asian neighborhood. I’m sure if it went anywhere else, they couldn’t care less. There is a Yellow Line in Chicago which is the Skokie Swift and here in NY, the N and R Lines which use yellow signage pass through the now predominantly Asian Sunset Pk neighborhood in Bkln and I haven’t heard any of the locals complain. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:40:59 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by The Silence on Wed Sep 3 11:18:53 2014. Go get people from Salt Lake City and Barcelona. They're the gold standard for US and 1st World urban rail. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:59:32 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Nov 25 15:53:43 2014. Transportation policy must line up with Land Use policy. Upzone the corridors along those lines. Do Mixed Use Midrise TOD around the stations. Ridership will depend on whether you can go to work or appointments on it. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Wed Nov 26 12:15:36 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 25 18:56:05 2014. Which is why I routed the Brown Line through areas without Hispanic majority populations, and the Pink Line mostly through politically conservative areas with likely low gay populations. Also, the Dobson corridor (although only a small portion of the line) has a bit of an Asian population, which is why I named it the Gold Line instead of Yellow Line. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Dec 13 15:37:29 2014, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. By the way, the term is not streecar, it's streetcar!!!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 13 16:14:50 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Dec 13 15:37:29 2014. NO SHIT! RFACDL! |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Sun Dec 14 17:33:41 2014, in response to Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 13 16:14:50 2014. Yep, I caught it earlier. No need to bump the thread about it, though, since it really isn't that relevant to the topic. |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Feb 10 22:01:42 2015, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. I was thinking about my routes, and where to put my stops. So I decided to list all stops for all lines except for the Green Line.Red Line - From West to East: -Metrocenter Mall -19th Ave and Dunlap -19th Ave and Northern -19th Ave and Glendale (walk to transfer to Orange Line) -19th Ave and Montebello -7th Ave and Camelback -Central and Camelback (walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Central and Campbell (shared with Orange Line) -Central and Indian School (shared with Orange Line, walk to transfer to Silver Line) -Central and Osborne (shared with Silver and Orange Lines) -Central and Thomas (shared with Silver and Orange Lines) -Central and Encanto (shared with Silver and Orange Lines) -Central and McDowell (shared with Silver and Orange Lines) -Central and Roosevelt (shared with Silver Line) -Central and Van Buren (northbound) / 1st Ave and Van Buren (southbound) (shared with Silver Line) -Central and Washington (northbound) / 1st Ave and Jefferson (southbound) (shared with Silver Line) -Washington and 3rd St (westbound) / Jefferson and 3rd St (eastbound)(Downtown Phoenix; shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Washington and 12th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 12th St (eastbound) (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Washington and 24th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 24th St (eastbound) (shared with Blue and Gold Lines; walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Washington and 38th St (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Washington and 44th St (Sky Harbor Airport Station; shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Washington and Priest (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Washington and Center Pkwy (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Third Street and Mill (Downtown Tempe Station; shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Veterans Way and College Ave (Arizona State University; shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -University and Rural (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Apache and Dorsey (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Apache and McClintock (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Apache and Smith-Martin (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Apache and Price/Loop 101 (shared with Blue and Gold Lines) -Main and Sycamore (shared with Blue Line, walk to transfer to Gold Line) -Main and Alma School (shared with Blue Line) -Main and Country Club (shared with Blue Line) -Main and Center (Downtown Mesa Station; shared with Blue Line) -Main and Mesa (Mesa LDS Temple; shared with Blue Line) -Main and Stapley -Main and Gilbert -Main and Lindsay -Main and Val Vista -Main and Greenfield -Main and Higley -Main and Recker -Main and Power -Power and Broadway -Power and Southern -Superstition Springs Center (shared with Pink and Purple Lines) Blue Line (from West to East): -Westgate Station -University of Phoenix Stadium Station -Loop 101 and Camelback -Loop 101 and Indian School -Loop 101 and Thomas -Loop 101 and McDowell -I-10 and 91st Ave -I-10 and 83rd Ave -I-10 and 75th Ave -I-10 and 67th Ave -I-10 and 59th Ave -I-10 and 51st Ave -I-10 and 43rd Ave -I-10 and 35th Ave -I-10 and 27th Ave -I-10 and 19th Ave -19th Ave and Van Buren -Adams and 19th Ave (westbound) / Jefferson and 19th Ave (eastbound) -Washington and 15th Ave (westbound) / Jefferson and 15th Ave (eastbound) -Washington and 7th Ave (westbound) / Jefferson and 7th Ave (eastbound) -Washington and 1st Ave / Jefferson and 1st Ave -Washington and 3rd St (westbound) / Jefferson and 3rd St (eastbound)(Downtown Phoenix; shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Washington and 12th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 12th St (eastbound) (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Washington and 24th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 24th St (eastbound) (shared with Red and Gold Lines; walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Washington and 38th St (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Washington and 44th St (Sky Harbor Airport Station; shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Washington and Priest (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Washington and Center Pkwy (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Third Street and Mill (Downtown Tempe Station; shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Veterans Way and College Ave (Arizona State University; shared with Red and Gold Lines) -University and Rural (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Apache and Dorsey (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Apache and McClintock (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Apache and Smith-Martin (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Apache and Price/Loop 101 (shared with Red and Gold Lines) -Main and Sycamore (shared with Red Line, walk to transfer to Gold Line) -Main and Alma School (shared with Red Line) -Main and Country Club (shared with Red Line) -Main and Center (Downtown Mesa; shared with Red Line) -Main and Mesa (Mesa LDS Temple; shared with Red Line) Silver Line (from South to North): -Central and Baseline (walk to transfer to Purple Line) -Central and Southern -Central and Roeser -Central and Broadway -Central and Pioneer -Central and Watkins -Central and Buckeye -Central and Washington (northbound) / 1st Ave and Jefferson (southbound) (Downtown Phoenix; shared with Red Line) -Central and Van Buren (northbound) / 1st Ave and Van Buren (southbound) (shared with Red Line) -Central and Roosevelt (shared with Red Line) -Central and McDowell (shared with Red and Orange Lines) -Central and Encanto (shared with Red and Orange Lines) -Central and Thomas (shared with Red and Orange Lines) -Central and Osborne (shared with Red and Orange Lines) -Indian School and Central (walk to transfer to Red and Orange Lines) -Indian School and 7th St -Indian School and 12th St -Indian School and 16th St -SR 51 and Camelback -SR 51 and Bethany Home -SR 51 and Glendale -SR 51 and Northern -SR 51 and Shea -Shea and 36th St -Shea and 40th St -Shea and 44th St -Shea and Tatum -Tatum and Cactus -Paradise Valley Mall Orange Line (from Northwest to Southeast): -Arrowhead Towne Center -75th Ave and Bell -Bell and 67th Ave -Bell and 59th Ave -59th Ave and Greenway -59th Ave and Thunderbird -59th Ave and Cactus -59th Ave and Peoria -59th Ave and Olive -59th Ave and Northern -59th Ave and Glendale / Grand (Downtown Glendale Station) -Glendale and 57th Ave -Glendale and 51st Ave -Glendale and 43rd Ave -Glendale and 39th Ave -Glendale and 35th Ave -Glendale and 27th Ave -Glendale and 19th Ave (walk to transfer to Red Line) -Glendale and 7th Ave -Glendale and Central -Central and Maryland -central and Bethany Home -Central and Camelback (walk to transfer to Red Line) -Central and Campbell (shared with Red Line) -Central and Indian School (shared with Red Line, walk to transfer to Silver Line) -Central and Osborne (shared with Red and Silver Lines) -Central and Thomas (shared with Red and Silver Lines) -Central and Encanto (shared with Red and Silver Lines) -Central and McDowell (shared with Red and Silver Lines) -I-10 and 7th St -I-10 and 12th St -I-10 and 16th St -Loop 202 and 24th St -24th St and Van Buren -24th St and Washington / Jefferson (walk to transfer to Red, Blue, and Gold Lines) -24th St and Buckeye (Sky Harbor Airport) -24th St and Broadway -Broadway and 32nd St -Broadway and 48th St -Broadway and Priest -Broadway and Hardy -Broadway and Rural (walk to transfer to Brown Line) -Broadway and McClintock -McClintock and Southern -McClintock and Baseline (walk to transfer to Purple Line) -McClintock and Guadalupe -McClintock and Elliot -McClintock and Warner -McClintock and Ray -Chandler and McClintock (shared with Pink and Brown Lines) -Chandler and Metro (Chandler Fashion Center; shared with Pink and Brown Lines) Pink Line (from West to East): -Chandler and 48th St -Chandler and 56th St -Chandler and Kyrene -Chandler and Rural (shared with Brown Line) -Chandler and McClintock (shared with Orange and Brown Lines) -Chandler and Metro (Chandler Fashion Center; shared with Orange and Brown Lines) -Chandler and Ellis -Chandler and Dobson -Chandler and Alma School -Chandler and Arizona (Downtown Chandler Station) -Chandler and McQueen -Chandler and Cooper -Chandler and Gilbert (walk to transfer to Gold Line) -Williams Field and Val Vista -Williams Field and Market (SanTan Village Station) -Williams Field and Higley -Williams Field and Recker (potential add-in station based on future mixed use development -Williams Field and Power (ASU Polytechnic) -Power and Ray -Power and Warner (potential add-in station) -Power and Elliot (potential add-in station) -Power and Guadalupe -Power and Baseline (walk to transfer to Purple Line) -Power and Superstition Springs (shared with Purple Line) -Superstition Springs Center (shared with Red and Purple Lines) Brown Line (from South to North): -Chandler and Metro (Chandler Fashion Center; shared with Orange and Pink Lines) -Chandler and McClintock (shared with Orange and Pink Lines) -Chandler and Rural (shared with Pink Line) -Rural and Ray -Rural and Warner -Rural and Elliot -Rural and Guadalupe -Rural and Baseline (walk to transfer to Purple Line) -Rural and Southern -Rural and Broadway (walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Rural and Apache -Rural and Tyler (walk to transfer to Red, Blue, and Gold Lines) -Rural and Rio Salado -Scottsdale and McKellips -Scottsdale and Roosevelt -Scottsdale and McDowell -Scottsdale and Thomas -Scottsdale and Main (Old Town Scottsdale Station) -Scottsdale and Camelback (Scottsdale Fashion Square) -Scottsdale and Jackrabbit -Scottsdale and McDonald -Scottsdale and Lincoln -Scottsdale and Indian Bend -Scottsdale and McCormick -Scottsdale and Mountain View -Scottsdale and Shea -Scottsdale and Cactus -Scottsdale and Sweetwater (potential add-in station) -Scottsdale and Thunderbird -Scottsdale and Greenway (Kierland Commons) -Scottsdale and Frank Lloyd Wright Purple Line (from West to East): -Baseline and 75th Ave -Baseline and 67th Ave -Baseline and 51st Ave -Baseline and 35th Ave -Baseline and 27th Ave -Baseline and 19th Ave -Baseline and 7th Ave -Baseline and Central (walk to transfer to Silver Line) -Baseline and 16th St -Baseline and 24th St -Baseline and 32nd St -Baseline and 48th St -Baseline and Priest (Arizona Mills) -Baseline and Hardy -Baseline and Mill -Baseline and Rural (walk to transfer to Brown Line) -Baseline and McClintock (walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Baseline and Dobson -Baseline and Alma School -Baseline and Country Club -Baseline and McQueen/Mesa -Baseline and Cooper/Stapley -Baseline and Gilbert (walk to transfer to Gold Line) -Baseline and Val Vista -Baseline and Greenfield -Baseline and Higley -Baseline and Power (walk to transfer to Pink Line) -Power and Superstition Springs (shared with Pink Line) -Superstition Springs Center (shared with Red and Pink Lines) Gold Line (from West To East): -Washington and 3rd St (westbound) / Jefferson and 3rd St (eastbound)(Downtown Phoenix; shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Washington and 12th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 12th St (eastbound) (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Washington and 24th St (westbound) / Jefferson and 24th St (eastbound) (shared with Red and Blue Lines; walk to transfer to Orange Line) -Washington and 38th St (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Washington and 44th St (Sky Harbor Airport Station; shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Washington and Priest (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Washington and Center Pkwy (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Third Street and Mill (Downtown Tempe Station; shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Veterans Way and College Ave (Arizona State University; shared with Red and Blue Lines) -University and Rural (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Apache and Dorsey (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Apache and McClintock (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Apache and Smith-Martin (shared with Red and Blue Lines) -Apache and Price/Loop 101 (shared with Red and blue Lines) -Dobson and Main (Mekong Plaza; walk to transfer Red and Blue Liens) -Dobson and Broadway -Southern and Dobson -Southern and Alma School (Fiesta Mall) -Southern and Country Club -Southern and Mesa -Southern and Stapley -Southern and Gilbert -Gilbert and Baseline (walk to transfer to Purple Line) -Gilbert and Guadalupe -Gilbert and Page (Downtown Gilbert) -Gilbert and Civic Center -Gilbert and Ray -Gilbert and Chandler/Williams Field (walk to transfer to Pink Line) -Gilbert and Pecos (Chandler-Gilbert Community College) -Gilbert and Germann -Gilbert and Queen Creek |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Sun May 10 19:12:34 2015, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. Sorry to bump an old thread, but I was thinking this over, and based on a survey given in 2013 to Queen Creek residents on what transit mode they would prefer, I came up with an idea of a neighborhood circulator that would serve as a complement to the Pink Line.The circulator route would serve Queen Creek, south Gilbert, and a part of east Mesa. Destinations along the route would include ASU Polytechnic, Phoenix-Mesa Gateway Airport, Queen Creek Marketplace, the south Gilbert neighborhoods of Seville and Freeman Farms, and SanTan Village. Part of the route would be along Williams Field Road and would make stops at the Pink Line stations there. The circulator route would be known as the Pink Connector. |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Sun Jun 21 04:21:47 2015, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. More recently, one thing that I have been thinking about my light rail system is what yards to base each line. I don't think basing all lines in a single yard (Phoenix) is a good idea. So, I think there should be two rail yards, with the following line assignments:
Any changes anyone would make to these yard assignments? Should there be additional yards besides Phoenix and Tempe? |
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Re: My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area |
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Posted by Pink Jazz on Sat Jul 25 15:56:53 2015, in response to My dream light rail/streecar system for the Phoenix Metro Area, posted by Pink Jazz on Tue Sep 2 00:21:38 2014. I have shared my dream light rail idea with a friend that has been visiting us, and he liked my idea.However, one thing that he was a bit skeptical of was interlining some lines at their endpoints. In my dream system, there would be two pairs of lines that would be interlined, the Orange and the Brown Lines at Chandler Fashion Center, and as well as the Pink and Purple Lines at Superstition Springs Center. My rationale for interlining these lines is to increase operational efficiency and make better use of pay hours for light rail operators. Several Phoenix area bus routes do this already during certain times of the day. However, my friend says that interlining lines would cause potential confusion with riders when they board, thinking that they boarded one line when they actually boarded another. I think potential mis-boarding could be alleviated if the destination signs are changed prior to arriving at the last stop. Multicolor LED destination signs can be used to help riders know what color line they are boarding, displaying the text in the color of the line. What does anyone here think about interlining light rail lines? |
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