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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:20:31 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 25 00:06:12 2014. That's a very interesting site. Slightly off topic, does anyone know the exact location of the "Broadway-Nassau"...it kinds of looks like Fulton or Dey Street, at Broadway, facing east...and the Brew Burger and Joe's Chinatown have been demolished to make way for the Fulton Transit Center....Or am I completely mistaken and this is on Nassau Street, LOL? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:25:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:28:17 2014. I believe cutting it to Queens Blvd., rather than the more practical Sutphin, with its attendant inconvenience, was actually intentional as well- get the subway out of the area, to make it "better"... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:28:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:54:27 2014. Yes, the merchants really believed that the less accessible their area, the more their prospects would improve. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:29:33 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 24 13:42:46 2014. Just goes to show that our "best and brightest" are often neither!!! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:37:51 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:20:31 2014. I clearly remember those "we're changing" signs... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 25 08:53:18 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 23 15:58:44 2014. Bump |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 25 11:50:10 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:20:31 2014. It has to be Dey. The "Mahony Agency" sign shows a John St address, so that's John St just to the right. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 15:56:16 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 22:35:45 2014. Well they had to close the el for construction, since about a blocks' worth of old structure had to be physically replaced to match the grade of the new ramp.The actual work took about 18-24 months. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 16:01:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 24 19:02:10 2014. That was the parent company of K Mart, which now owns Sears. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 16:04:20 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Apr 24 19:46:13 2014. The most vivid memory I have is watching them demolishing the Sutphin Blvd station in the summer of 1978, while my family was waiting for the Q44 bus to the Bronx Zoo. Still remember the chainsaws chopping off the catwalks on the track, and the construction workers taking their lunch breaks sitting on the edge of the 168th St bound platform. It was traumatic because, being 6 I had no understanding of what was going on. I thought they were tearing the whole J train down. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 16:11:26 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 23 02:47:31 2014. I love pics with movie theaters in them because it makes it really easy to date them. That movie was released in spring 1971, so i'd say April. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 16:20:45 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 16:11:26 2014. IMDB seems to think summer, but then again movies back then would open in one theater chain first, then work its way down the food chain to the others. But yeah, marquees are very handy indeed.So how's spring treating you down there? Finished off the winter's supply of bambi meat yet? :) |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 25 19:03:41 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 15:56:16 2014. I don't see any reason why the ramp couldn't have been constructed the same way as the one off the Fulton St El. Space restrictions apparently required that the 3 tracks leave the original structure at slightly different grades, but it was done nonetheless! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 25 22:16:10 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:31:27 2014. service still ran. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 25 22:20:37 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 23 07:07:24 2014. it didnt belong on those cars.funny thing about that..the "Ronan" colors only appeared on R9s out of the east..nowhere else. wonder why? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:22:06 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 25 19:03:41 2014. The tracks rose to clear the LIRR. If they did not replace the section they did, the structure would have had an odd bump in it |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:24:39 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 25 22:20:37 2014. That's because the older ones were destined for the scrapper by 1971. I believe that a lot of R1's already met their fates by then.It was absolutely absurd to recreate a stainless steel look (the rationale for the silver/blue scheme, to make older cars look less old) on cars which dated to the Hoover administration. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:26:52 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Apr 23 08:31:27 2014. Politics. The people who wanted the el removed ASAP had more power than the brownish in the area who depended on it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 26 02:49:03 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:26:52 2014. thats part of it.but they also thought the new subway would be built QUICKLY..with the extensions up and running by the mid 90's. 1977 had the Archer line at the halfway point after 5 years of work..and WOULD have been finished by 1980 IF several factors didn't occur. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 11:52:58 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Apr 22 10:45:20 2014. Before that (and before the R-16s), it was, BMT standards, ugh! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 11:55:17 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 22 23:23:46 2014. I know how you feel, Kev. Same here. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 11:58:01 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:24:39 2014. The IND still had old timers into 1976, but none of them got the platinum mist-and-blue treatment. I personally never rode on any prewar car with that scheme. Then again, prior to 2004, the last time I rode on the R-1/9s was in July of 1971 on a CC. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 11:59:12 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 23 17:10:29 2014. AFAIK 1689 never got the Ronan (stinks) treatment. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:00:05 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 19:20:29 2014. Damn straight!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:03:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by renee gil on Tue Apr 22 22:25:59 2014. IIRC they didn't start repainting subway cars with that scheme until 1970. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:06:31 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 24 19:02:10 2014. We had a few Kresge's stores in South Bend. There was one at a shopping center right by where we lived. The shopping center is still there and if you know where to look, you can tell where Kresge's used to be. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Apr 26 12:10:59 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:00:05 2014. Just for that, you get a blue & silver striped tie! Enjoy! :D |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 12:43:08 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 11:59:12 2014. Remarkably, doesn't look like. Must have been out getting her pipes cleaned when the paint boys were on the rampage. :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 12:44:22 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Apr 26 12:10:59 2014. What are you? A damned 70's show? :) |
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Posted by Renee gil on Sat Apr 26 12:46:08 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:03:21 2014. well with the older subway cars anyway. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Apr 26 12:46:40 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 26 12:44:22 2014. LMAO! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 26 13:08:16 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 22 20:58:26 2014. Would have been awesome to repaint in that scheme using the graffiti-proof coatings. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 26 14:54:09 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 25 22:16:10 2014. Correct. Service on the old el ended after the PM rush Friday and the IND was running to Lefferts by around 100PM Sunday. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 26 14:55:22 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 25 22:22:06 2014. LIke the one at 80/Hudson St on the Fulton El? |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 26 15:05:21 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 26 12:03:21 2014. The R-10s started getting it in 1969. One morning in July 1969, I had one on my first trip out of 207 St. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 26 15:06:59 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 26 13:08:16 2014. If that had happened, it's quite possible that the R-32s through slant 40s would have gotten the blue stripe of the 40Ms and 42s. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Apr 26 16:34:28 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 25 07:28:17 2014. I think that they perceived that their customers didn't come by train. They thought their customers were local who came by car, by bus, or foot. The el made the area, and their businesses, look dark, dingy, dirty, and dangerous. It was how people in the neighborhood got to Manhattan or to other parts of Queens or to Brooklyn to work or to shop, not how many customers got to them. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 28 14:33:44 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Apr 26 16:34:28 2014. Well, they seem to have been wrong. I'm sure a lot of their business came from Brooklynites who didn't own cars, and from Manhattan commuters who stopped off in the area on their way home.With the subway gone, the Brooklynites w/o cars couldn't easily get there, and the Manhattan commuters may have started to avail themselves of other shopping venues. I think the premise of your post is right, even if the merchants were fatally wrong. They thought they could transform the area from urban to suburban by keeping away what they perceived as an undesirable element. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 28 14:37:16 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 25 22:20:37 2014. Maybe 'cause the others were planned for faster scrapping, whereas it may have been known the cars that went "east" would be around longer?I've heard (I think on this board) that the only reason they lasted until 1976 elsewhere was because of delivery delays with the R46s... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 28 14:39:43 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Apr 23 14:09:16 2014. IMO, the graffiti vandalism beats all paint schemes in the "ugly department". The Ronan look on Arnines was stupid, as was the all-white look on the SMEEs. But graffiti out-uglies them all... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 28 14:41:31 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 25 11:50:10 2014. Thank You. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 18:16:15 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Randyo on Sat Apr 26 14:55:22 2014. No, the el was level there between Hudson St and Grant Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 18:21:43 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Edwards! on Sat Apr 26 02:49:03 2014. And if there was any silver lining to all of this, the fiasco in Jamaica was probably the straw that broke the camel's back of el removal fever that took hold in the 1930's. It's noteworthy that there has been no further service eliminations since the closing of the Jamaica el. The MTA's attempt to close the Franklin Ave shuttle was a failure, the first time community pressure actually stymied the city's attempts to abandon a service they did not want to invest in. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 29 02:11:03 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 18:21:43 2014. true.the fever should have produced MONEY to build new subways to replace the els. the 8th ave..Queensboro..Crosstown were needed..but the rest could have been put off until new lines were built where there wasn't any rail service. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Apr 29 05:20:36 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 24 13:34:08 2014. Sick |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Apr 29 08:28:55 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Apr 24 19:47:08 2014. Same difference... :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Apr 29 08:29:40 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 24 09:23:04 2014. Not sure about the full GOH, but the cars were painted red... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Apr 29 14:20:59 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 18:21:43 2014. Yep. At least in NYC, the Jamaica Fiasco was the end of El removal. I don't think they could ever get away with this again.The public now understands that transit services enhances, rather than blights an area... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Apr 29 14:24:55 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Apr 23 21:49:04 2014. I agree. That picture in the OP helps make your point... |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Apr 29 17:02:51 2014, in response to Re: Queens Back In The Day, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 28 18:16:15 2014. True, but if you look carefully,the 3 tracks that divert from the old structure each leave at slightly different grades. |
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