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Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014 |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 23 12:56:38 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. PRAISE THE LORDSomeone tell them about the F in Queens too. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:06:50 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. So they've decided now, and it's an extremely minor change, but it will take them until December to implement? |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Apr 23 13:11:13 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. So the switch south of Prince St will get a workout like it did in the days of the Night and weekend QB. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 23 13:23:31 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. In the past, overnight 2 and 4 service in Manhattan was converted from express service to local service. These changes resulted in a total net travel time savings for customers on the Lexington and 7 Av lines.Partially incorrect. Overnight 4 service was always local. overnight 6 trains were extended from 125th Street to Brooklyn Bridge. |
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Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014 |
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Posted by zac on Wed Apr 23 13:24:17 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. 10 minute headways on the N overnight? I don't think so. Try 20. It would go from 20 minutes to 10 minute wait. Still a 50% reduction. |
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Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014 |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 13:41:29 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 23 13:23:31 2014. yep. 4 always a local. MTA just doesnt double check it. |
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Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014 |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:44:26 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by seabeachexpress on Wed Apr 23 13:11:13 2014. It gets a workout right now. Ns use it 24-7 and Rs use it weekends. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:45:24 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by zac on Wed Apr 23 13:24:17 2014. If you have a 20 minute headway the average wait is 10 minutes. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 13:52:59 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. Not a lot of people don't like the change: https://twitter.com/NYCTSubwayScoop/status/458973186475180032 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 23 14:39:19 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 23 13:23:31 2014. Not necessarily. The overnight 4 became local when the overnight 6 was cut back to 125th St. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 15:20:12 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 23 13:23:31 2014. Partially incorrect. Overnight 4 service was always local. overnight 6 trains were extended from 125th Street to Brooklyn Bridge.---------- Partially Incorrect. Overnight #4 was a full-time express in Manhattan with the opening (about 1918) of the Lexington Avenue line until 1979. After 1979 only did the #4 trains became the only midnight hour local, otherwise all #6 trains were the full-time locals on Lexington Avenue. From 1979 to 1999, did the #6 midnight hour Bronx shuttle run - between 125th Street and Pelham Bay Park. In the July 1983 the #2, #3, #4 and #5 routes switched their Brooklyn terminals, and the late 1970's saw the #5 only traveling to Brooklyn during the rush hours. The 20 year operation of the #6 midnight shuttle operation was severely hated by #6 Bronx riders. Mayor Rudy G. during a very bad winter had the MTA restore the #6 train to full time service. (This is one of the few items on a very small list that I credit Mayor Rudy G. for.) The #6 midnight service was not "extended" it was RESTORED to its original long time historical pattern. Generally over the history of the #6 route, it traveled at all times between Brooklyn Bridge and Pelham Bay Park. Mayor Rudy G. had the MTA to RESTORE the #6 to its full-time full-route, since for that 20-year period the #4 was the only route serving the whole of the eastside of Manhattan - something that was noted by plenty of transit fans, citizens, and political folk. Mike |
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Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 23 16:09:23 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 23 13:23:31 2014. No, the #4 used to operate as an express up until some point in the 70's, when the late night #6 was cut back to 125th st. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Apr 23 16:22:28 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 13:52:59 2014. But that's still no good for R train customers in Queens and Brooklyn. Often the Coney Island bound N train comes bunched up after 1am, so that you get 2 trains back-to-back after waiting close to 40 minutes for a train. Then you just miss a connecting R shuttle in Brooklyn.Why can the #3 train get late night shuttle service to a major hub like 34th St, but the R train can't get to a major hub and instead gets cut back to either 36th or 59th? Let the late night R terminate at Atlantic, Court, or Whitehall (obviously Whitehall once the tunnel opens). Well the complaints will keep coming and coming and coming until this happens. (I have no problem tying up the MTA phone line with my commuting problems with the late night service.) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 16:52:26 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Apr 23 16:22:28 2014. From a previous message:Why can the #3 train get late night shuttle service to a major hub like 34th St, but the R train can't get to a major hub and instead gets cut back to either 36th or 59th? Let the late night R terminate at Atlantic, Court, or Whitehall (obviously Whitehall once the tunnel opens). Well the complaints will keep coming and coming and coming until this happens. (I have no problem tying up the MTA phone line with my commuting problems with the late night service.) ------------------ Basically it has to do with the MTA running as few services as it can during the midnight hours, and saving money. Generally whatever runs to/from Astoria for the past few decades has been the line that runs during the midnight hours. In my lifetime, that midnight hour train has been either the RR train to/from Astoria, the N train, or the W train. Long ago whatever "BMT" service on Queens Blvd ended "early" leaving the E, F or GG trains as the midnight hour service. The GG, now G has been removed from Queens Blvd, leaving just the E and F trains, which now have separate terminals that have to be served. And yes there were experiments that did not last long with the midnight RR along Queens Blvd. The E and F trains often allow transfers to various lines even during the midnight hours, so alternate trips are not impossible. Plenty of folk like express trains, and put less attention to all-local routes, especially a route that is described as the "Rarely". Transit fan nick-names for the N and R - Never and Rarely - really do not inspire confidence that there will be spokesman clamoring for its expansion. Notice that almost every scheme for improving weekend Queens Blvd local service put fourth by transit fans, does not include the idea of simply increasing the frequency of R-train service! The R-train has few defenders - there were even folks on-line who wanted the Whitehall Street segment completely closed due to the Hurricane Sandy tunnel repairs! Good luck spurring community support for expanded midnight hour R-train service beyond its current Brooklyn-only midnight hour shuttle. Mike |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Apr 23 16:58:31 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:06:50 2014. That's when the new pick goes into effect and the schedules will reflect it. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Apr 23 17:01:32 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by BrooklynTrain on Wed Apr 23 16:22:28 2014. Because NYCT does not want to spend the money for car mileage and crew costs because you already have the N and D running along 4th Ave. They feel 3 services are not necessary relative to the ridership. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 23 18:05:52 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:06:50 2014. Labor Laws.ROAR |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:25:53 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 15:20:12 2014. Some of the historical data I have seen seems to indicate that prior to the end of WWII the IRT and BMT ran no express services overnight but ran all services local. I haven't seen any similar info on prewar IND services but from some of the station signs I have seen along CPW it seems that the iND did have all night express service. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:27:11 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 23 16:09:23 2014. Circa 1960, the Woodlawn (#4) service operated local overnight due to the construction of the express platforms at 59 St. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 18:30:54 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:44:26 2014. It actually will get less of a workout, since all trains will be doing bridge-Broadway Local. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:32:06 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 16:52:26 2014. Although there has not been any midnight Qns Blvd service in several years, the former director of service planning for the NYCTA once claimed that the MTA was committed to restoring all night R service to Qns Blvd once the track and signal work in the 60 St tube which precipitated the removal of that service was completed. I'm still waiting for that restoration. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:35:04 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 18:30:54 2014. Not really, by the time the midnight Q lcl service is implemented, the Montague tunnel will be opened so the switch will have to be thrown for the appropriate trains. Not only that but the switches at 57 St will get a workout initially for the turning of Qs there and later when the Q gets routed to the SAS. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 18:44:21 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:25:53 2014. The interesting part, when I drafted my reply I was about to make an exception for the 1940's or 1950's since I did not have a subway map readily at hand to confirm it. Then I read a summary page for the #4 service that did not seem to give any major exceptions.Ok, I so have add the words, "generally" - even though the major point still stands. (Smile) Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 18:50:44 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:32:06 2014. I seem to remember the R-train traveling to 179th Street midnight hours, I think when the 63rd Street line was opened to QueensBridge, but not yet connected to the Queens Blvd line. At that time, I believe that the E-trains were ending at Archer Avenue, and the F-trains were terminating at the Queensbridge Station. A period where the service across the 63rd Street tunnel changed frequently between B, F and Q trains, and between Sixth Avenue or Seventh Avenue. This was during a part of the Manhattan Bridge construction work, with both N and R trains being local in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I just have to find those transit maps! (Smile)Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 18:53:54 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 18:50:44 2014. And add in a few shuttle train variations that operations to/from the 63rd Street Tunnel to QueensBridge along the Sixth Avenue. All of this taking place over the many years of Manhattan Bridge re-construction work - many train route changes.Mike |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 19:30:34 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:35:04 2014. Ah, good point. Well, they could take this opportunity to close the lower Manhattan stops whenever the R doesn't run... I mean, we've gone this long without them at all, clearly it's not all *that* necessary... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 19:37:45 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Apr 23 17:01:32 2014. Just before 2008 set transit progress back a decade, the MTA had been contemplating making the R a 24 hour route. That would have been nice (if only to have a non-bum infested route to get me through Queens). |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 21:46:29 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 19:30:34 2014. I would not say that. The weekday R-train gets a good amount of riders between Whitehall Street and Queens. Plenty of folk pick up the R-train headed uptown from the ferry weekdays, even though most of us Brooklyn bound folk are stuck to the #4 or #5 trains!Mike |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 21:50:02 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 21:46:29 2014. Well yeah, weekdays. But overnight (as in 11:30-5AM)? Heck they had gotten comfortable closing them entirely for weekend construction even before this Sandy thing... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 24 00:47:14 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 13:41:29 2014. Actually no:Prior to 1983-'84, the (4) was express at night and the (6) was local. It was during late night cutbacks that the (4) went local overnights, which it has been ever since. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 24 00:55:46 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 19:37:45 2014. As for Queens Boulevard:I would actually be looking to have the (M) rather than the (R) become 24/7 and be the full-time QB local. When the new building at the Domino Sugar plant in Williamsburg is complete, it may become necessary to send the (M) past Essex at all times anyway, so by then it may be more warranted to do that with the (M) than the (R). |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 24 08:35:24 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 15:20:12 2014. I recall that one or more of the schematic NYCTA maps of the late 50's-early 60's, in the services guide, referred to what became the (4) as the "Lexington Avenue Local" during the midnight hours.Bob |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Apr 24 08:51:38 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 23 18:35:04 2014. um.. Pre-Sandy didn't the R run shuttle in Brooklyn and N thru the tube late night which the article is talking about Midnight to 6am? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Apr 24 12:31:26 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Apr 24 08:51:38 2014. Yes, prior to the Hurricane Sandy damage to the Montague Street Tunnel, the R-train made all local stops in Queens, Manhattan and Brooklyn until midnight every day of the week. Between midnight and 6am, the R-train became a shuttle between 36th Street and 95th Street every night.Ever since the removal of the EE train in the mid-1970's, then it was generally was the express in Manhattan over the Manhattan Bridge, and sometimes local or partially local in Brooklyn, however during the rush hours the N-train was express in Brooklyn. Whether and how the N-train ran local in Manhattan, express in Manhattan, ran over the Manhattan Bridge as an express, ran over the Manhattan Bridge as a local, ran through the Montague Street tunnel as a local - has changed with the tides & the needs of the MTA. Right now, the N-train is local in Queens and Manhattan (between 57th Street and Canal Street), uses the Manhattan Bridge, and is express in Brooklyn until the midnight hours - then it is also local in Brooklyn. Now that might change when a new tide comes in. (Smile) Mike |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:46:13 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Apr 23 21:50:02 2014. I doubt that a permanent shutdown of those stations would be politically viable. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:47:53 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 24 08:35:24 2014. That was to facilitate the construction of the express platforms at 59 St. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:49:31 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Wed Apr 23 18:50:44 2014. If I can recall from my schedule making years, back then the R ran to 179 St 24/7 until midnight Q/B R service was dropped. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:51:26 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 24 00:55:46 2014. However, 6 Av has a full time Q/B service even if it is an express. The R would provide 24/7 Bway service to Q/B. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Apr 24 16:28:39 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. It's not unreasonable, but it still bothers me. I remember the 1950s, especially the reductions in May 1957 and May 1959. First you make an express service local to increase frequencies at local stations, then you lengthen the headways a bit, because now you have two services where you had only one, so it's "still better." And so on.Saturday Brighton Express was killed a little at a time. First they rerouted the local to Chambers Street. Then they rerouted it to Franklin Avenue. They they "restored" the local to Manhattan via Bridge and ended the express. I hope this doesn't become a trend. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Apr 24 19:45:30 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 24 15:46:13 2014. I'm not saying permanent, I'm saying overnight only. They close the two J line stops for weekends, so it's not unprecedented.Downtown is pretty dead at night. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 19:54:05 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Apr 24 19:45:30 2014. Not sure how much it's used, but the R to A transfer at Court St can't be replaced easily. Other than that, I can't really think of any major scenarios where the Montague Tunnel is that crucial except weekdays. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 24 20:25:23 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. Isn't the "Q" now running to/from 34th st overnight? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 24 21:17:45 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 24 20:25:23 2014. 57/7. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Apr 24 21:31:32 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 24 19:54:05 2014. Other than that, I can't really think of any major scenarios where the Montague Tunnel is that crucial except weekdays.------------- I can! Once Mother and her friends learned how to get to and from the Aqueduct Casino by the R-train and the A-train, that involved much less walking up and down stairways, that also had working escalators and elevators - they were hooked! For Mom this method was a great deal of much less hassle than the trips to Port Authority, ferry, bus & subway, etc. The whole group would go! Happy times for me! (Smile) Then Hurricane Sandy! No Montague Tunnel - great difficulty walking to/from Bowling Green, and she finds the Fulton Center a complete maze - She's Not Happy! Mother found a bus direct from Staten Island to Sands, PA - She & her friends are HAPPY! No more Aqueduct Casino! Aqueduct's Casino's Loss! Happy Times For Me! (Smile) Plenty of people use transit for many reasons! Mike |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Apr 25 05:17:16 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Michael549 on Thu Apr 24 21:31:32 2014. IAWTP!chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 25 15:57:41 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 24 21:17:45 2014. Yesterday, when I used the 59St/5Av station, there was a sign saying that the "Q" runs from 34 St at night. When I got off of my "R" at 49St/7Av, there were 2 "Q" trains laid up on the express tracks. hence, my question! |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Apr 26 00:51:10 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 13:45:24 2014. Assuming of course, that people arrive randomly and don't time themselves for a particular train (or the trains are unreliable to the point where timing yourself is futile) |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Apr 26 13:50:53 2014, in response to Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 23 12:45:28 2014. Three questions:(1) If the route isn't being extended, why does the service start in December (the time it will take to add/change the signage? (2) What does a new pick have to do with it, the train runs local instead of express? (3) What is the $73,000 annual cost for? tower operators? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 26 14:22:43 2014, in response to Re: Overnight (Q) train service will make local stops in Manhattan (Canal - 57 Sts); 12/2014, posted by jabrams on Sat Apr 26 13:50:53 2014. (3) Presumably overtime. Some TO's runs will go from 8 hours to 8 hours and 20 minutes, or something like that. |
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