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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 20:22:22 2013, in response to NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 19:52:28 2013. Stations on the #6 line past Parkchester (with the exception of Westchester Sq-E Tremont) look pretty much as they did back then. So do many stations on the "N" Sea Beach open cut and on the elevated portions of the "F" and #3 in Brooklyn. There are many others as well - many stations on the underground portion of the "L" for example - that have remained largely unchanged. And then, there's Chambers Street (J/Z)....=w= |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 20:24:09 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 20:22:22 2013. Do they still have the little light bulbs and old style station signs? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 22:13:15 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 20:24:09 2013. Those seem to have been universally removed (from elevated stations). I seem to remember a couple of mid-60s platform lamps at Buhre Avenue and Middletown Road on the #6. There was also incandescent light under the station sheds at those stations. Also, a couple of remnants at 111th Street and 103rd-Corona Plaza on the #7 (signs). These may have been replaced by now. Incandescent light is pretty much a thing of the past. A few stations had it up until about 2007 - the last big underground station with incandescent light (in the mezzanine ONLY) was Fordham Road on the Concourse line, which was upgraded to flourescent in 2007. Platform-level incandescent light persisted into the late 1980's, with Church Avenue being the last to upgrade.wayne |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 07:54:05 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 22:13:15 2013. I think the incandescent lights in both Church Avenue and Fort Hamilton Pkwy stations were replaced by fluorescents around 1987, IIRC.I can remember incandescent lights on various parts of the IND: Roosevelt Ave (at least as late as 1971-72). Union Turnpike, Sutphin Blvd, Van Wyck Blvd, Parsons Blvd and 169th St (at least as late as 1982-83). Queens Plaza (as late as 1974-75). By 1984-1985, the Queens Blvd line was all fluorescent. I remember seeing incandescent lighting beyond 71st-Continental Ave. as late as the early 80's. All of the GG Crosstown line stations (Court Sq, 21st St-Van Alst, etc. at least as late as 1982-83). Parts of the A/CC on Fulton St Subway (Lafayette Ave at least as late as 1975). Bergen, Carroll, Smith 9th, 7th Ave and 15th St (possibly as late as 1985??). Various stations on the Concourse Line (155, 167, 170, 174-75, Tremont, 182-83 at least as late as 1978 and possibly 1981). Most of the IRT and BMT underground stations were converted to fluorescent platform lighting in the late '50s. I believe that the 14th St. line (now the 'L' line) was the last, in 1960 or so. The IND underground stations came much later, probably because they were much brighter with the incandescent lighting that the BMT or IRT stations were. Some of the IND stations had fluorescent lighting as original equipment. These included the stations from Liberty Ave. to Grant Ave. stations on the Fulton St/Pitkin Ave line in Brooklyn, and the 179th/Hillside terminal in Queens. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 20:24:09 2013. About the old subway signs:21 years ago or so (around 1991) I have seen them at the Roosevelt Avenue Station the Queens Blvd Line (and those were nice big ones). At the Canal Street station on the BMT Nassau/Centre Street Subway, about 27 years ago I photographed a sign above the stairs coming down from the street that said "To Chambers St". Obviously a reference to the Centre St. subway's terminus, pre-Nassau Street subway extension in 1931. The BMT Broadway's Times Square-42nd Street still had them on the platform pillars until 2004, when renovation of the station took place. The 4th Avenue station on the (F) & (G) had the old original 1930's black and white signs until 1994-95. The Lefferts Blvd station on the (A) still had the original white-on-blue signs on the platform as late as 1995. (I was amazed that they were still there about 17 years ago) Until the mid 1990s, there was an original "DOWNTOWN EXPRESS TRAINS" sign near the southern end of the southbound platform at Times Square - 42nd Street on the IRT 7th Avenue line, complete with arrow pointing to the express track. There are (or were, until recently) similarly old no-spitting signs in some IND stations. (In Brooklyn, maybe? Broadway-ENY?) As late as 2001, at the BMT 59th Street/4th Avenue station in Brooklyn, there was an 60's style black-on-white station sign at the far north end of the northbound platform. Many Queens Blvd Line stations have the old signs on the columns between the tracks: PARSONS SUTPHIN VAN WYCK UNION T'P'KE 75TH AVE. CONTI- NENTAL AVE./FOREST HILLS 67TH AVE. 63RD DRIVE GRAND AVE. Also at the 179th Street station, at the south end of the northbound platform, there are pillars that have the original sign plate. The Grand Central-42nd Street station on the IRT Lex Ave. Subway still had the old signs in the early 1990s. There were signs that read: "CHANGE AT HOYT STREET FOR TRAINS TO CHURCH AVE AND QUEENS". These signs were all over the IND Fulton St Subway until the late 1980's or so. There was one at the extreme front ends of the Manhattan-bound platforms at Broadway-ENY (B'way Junction) and Rockaway Avenue. About the "little light bulbs" in stations: The incandescent lights in both Church Avenue and Fort Hamilton Pkwy stations were replaced by fluorescents by 1987. Roosevelt Ave (at least as late as 1971-72). Union Turnpike, Sutphin Blvd, Van Wyck Blvd, Parsons Blvd and 169th St (at least as late as 1982-83). Queens Plaza (as late as 1974-75). By 1984-1985, the Queens Blvd line was all fluorescent. I remember seeing incandescent lighting beyond 71st-Continental Ave. as late as the early 80's. All of the GG Crosstown line stations (Court Sq, 21st St-Van Alst, etc. at least as late as 1982-83). Parts of the A/CC on Fulton St Subway (Lafayette Ave at least as late as 1975). Bergen, Carroll, Smith 9th, 7th Ave and 15th St (possibly as late as 1985???). Various stations on the Concourse Line (155, 167, 170, 174-75, Tremont, 182-83 at least as late as 1978 and possibly 1981). Most of the IRT and BMT underground stations were converted to fluorescent platform lighting in the late '50s. I believe that the 14th St. line (now the 'L' line) was the last, in 1960 or so. The IND underground stations came much later, probably because they were much brighter with the incandescent lighting that the BMT or IRT stations were. Some of the IND stations had fluorescent lighting as original equipment. These included the stations from Liberty Ave. to Grant Ave. stations on the Fulton St/Pitkin Ave line in Brooklyn, and the 179th/Hillside terminal in Queens. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Feb 9 08:51:44 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. Thanks a lot for the information! So really there is nothing left really in this day and age. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 09:04:56 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Sat Feb 9 08:51:44 2013. Thanks a lot for the information!You're welcome. So really there is nothing left really in this day and age. Nope, not really. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Feb 9 10:01:07 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 07:54:05 2013. I wonder which station was the last to have 25 Hz incandescent lights. The last place I can remember seeing them was 110th Street and Broadway. In the early '80's there were still 25 Hz incandescent lights in the stairways. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sat Feb 9 11:14:53 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. The mezzanines of the QB stations between Continental to Elmhurst still had incandescent lighting at least as late as 1988. 67th and 63rd still had it at least until 2000, as evidenced by photos on nycsubway. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Feb 9 12:09:51 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 07:54:05 2013. Concourse line started to get fluorescent lighting in da early to mid 70's when i was in high school. i took da D train to 125th st and walked to 124th st and lenox ave.chud1 |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 9 12:21:12 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. There were signs that read: "CHANGE AT HOYT STREET FOR TRAINS TO CHURCH AVE AND QUEENS". These signs were all over the IND Fulton St Subway until the late 1980's or so.Did they really say to change at Hoyt for Church Avenue? I guess that would be referencing an original plan to run the GG to Church Ave., even though it actually always terminated at Smith-9th St. and never ran to Church until the 1970s. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Feb 9 14:24:25 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 09:04:56 2013. Has all the tracks been redone earlier, I know from reading the Tracks of New York book all the old signals and switches are gone as of 2008. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Feb 9 15:00:16 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by merrick1 on Sat Feb 9 10:01:07 2013. I think Ft. Hamilton Pky. (F/G). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 9 21:21:46 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 20:22:22 2013. Chambers St. looks as if hasn't been touched for oh, 100 years, give or take a year or two. Except for the westernmost platform, of course. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 9 21:23:56 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 07:54:05 2013. IIRC the local stops along CPW still had incandescent lighting in the late 60s. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 10 01:03:03 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. Are you sure the TImes Square BMT platform no longer has the old station name signs on the pillars? I thought there was still a few left. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sun Feb 10 04:19:47 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by 3-9 on Sun Feb 10 01:03:03 2013. Nope. All of them are gone. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 11 12:10:54 2013, in response to NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 19:52:28 2013. I haven't been there in a while, but East Broadway probably hasn't changed much. All the stations along the F from Bway-Lafayette to Jay St had fluorescent lighting at the platform level in the '70s, and IIRC E Bway, 2nd Ave, and York St haven't had major rehabs, aside from losing the remaining incandescent lights and sign changes.E Bway still has all it's staircases, including the long abandoned ones. Some of the abandoned areas and niches have been further closed off in the mezzanine area. I think 2nd Ave lost some of its abandoned staircases since then. I didn't mention Delancey St because a lot has changed. New tiles (roughly the same color though), demolition of almost all the abandoned staircases, and rearrangement of the staircases leading to the M, J, and Z. 1st and 3rd Aves on the L hasn't changed much. Especially 1st Ave: except for some extra wiring, it's almost exactly like I remember from high school in the '70's and '80's. Bowery on the J/Z may not have changed much, aside from having one whole side closed off. Unlike Canal St., it hasn't been rehabbed. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 11 12:14:21 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 9 21:23:56 2013. Up until the early-mid '90's they also had the old turnstiles. E Bway also still had incandescents in the mezzanines up until 8-10 years ago. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Feb 11 12:21:23 2013, in response to NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 19:52:28 2013. Oh, and I forgot to mention Grand/Chrystie St and probably 57 St/6 Ave. Because they were built in the '60's, not much has changed (aside from signs being covered over by dirt). |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Feb 11 12:32:26 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 22:13:15 2013. The other day I used the rear, 116th Street, exit at Lefferts. On the platform between the canopy and crew quarters there were two double-headed lamp posts that emitted incandescent light. Both were missing their diffusers. I'm not sure if they date back to when the station opened in 1917 (?). I wanted to take a photo but a couple of crew members were looking at me suspiciously. Next time- |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Mon Feb 11 12:37:22 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. Above the entrance on the northwest corner of Roosevelt & 111th is what looks like an original 1928 "TO MANHATTAN AND FLUSHING" sign.Above the stairway to the Flushing-bound Hunters Point Avenue platform is a mosaic reading "TO ASTORIA & CORONA". The font and style looks as if it's an original from 1917- or it's a recreation done in the recent station rehab. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 11 15:22:13 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Feb 8 20:22:22 2013. True, except for the fact that they were completely strewn with graffiti in the 1970's and 80's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 15:35:23 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 11 15:22:13 2013. If you are talking about the R16's, the only time they looked good was in red paint just prior to Ronan colors and graffitti |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Feb 11 21:49:34 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 07:54:05 2013. I used the 15th Street station in high school and 2 years after and I think it lasted until 1986. I could be wrong by a year. Definately 1984. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Feb 11 23:58:03 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 9 12:21:12 2013. Did they really say to change at Hoyt for Church Avenue?Yep. I guess that would be referencing an original plan to run the GG to Church Ave., even though it actually always terminated at Smith-9th St. and never ran to Church until the 1970s. Nope, that sign obviously dates back to the 30's when Church Avenue was the terminal for the A line (1933-36) and later the E line (1936-40) and the D and F lines (in the 1940's). Don't forget Church Ave was the terminal for for ALL lines from 10/7/1933 'till 10/30/1954 (even though limited rush hour D trains still ran to Church Avenue after 10/30/1954 though.) |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Feb 12 01:06:54 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Mon Feb 11 23:58:03 2013. Oh, and the only GG ran to Church Ave during rush hours from July 1968 'till 8/27/1976. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Feb 12 01:07:29 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Feb 9 12:21:12 2013. Oh, and the GG only ran to Church Ave during rush hours from July 1968 'till 8/27/1976. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Feb 12 09:10:27 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Tue Feb 12 01:06:54 2013. Yes and it had R-9's along with the F, was great to ride those cars. |
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Posted by E and F and sometimes J on Tue Feb 12 16:12:03 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Sat Feb 9 08:07:19 2013. At 4TH AVE/9TH ST, the staircase ascending from the Bay Ridge/Bensonhurst bound R train to the Coney Island bound F train had one pair of incandescent lights hanging from the ceiling at the first 90 degree turn up the stairs from the subway. At least in 2008.I don't know what's been done since the renovation. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Feb 12 19:22:07 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Mr. D - Type on Tue Feb 12 09:10:27 2013. Does anyone have a car assignment list or remember what they were in the 1970's? From Youtube videos, I noticed a lot of trains were mixed. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Feb 12 22:20:24 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Tue Feb 12 19:22:07 2013. As of 3/77, A: R10, R42; AA/B: R32, R38, R42; CC: R10, R32; D: R32, R42, R44; E/F: R40, R40m, R44, R46; GG: R40; J/LL/M: As of 3/77, A: R10, R42; AA/B: R32, R38, R42; CC: R10, R32; D: R32, R42, R44; E/F: R40, R40m, R44, R46; GG: R40; J/LL/M: R27/30R4/6/7/7a/9, R27/30, R42; N: R32, R46; RR: R27/30, R32, R42. I don't know what operated on the SS or the QB at that time. As for the IRT the cars were mixed and all over the place except for the R33/36WF which was on the 7. What I do remember about the IRT is that there was not one a/c car in the whole system until 1979. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Feb 12 22:59:05 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Feb 12 22:20:24 2013. Thanks! Do you know if the runs/scheduling was the same? 100 - Overnights, 200 - Am Days, and 300 - Pm Nights. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Feb 12 23:17:06 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Tue Feb 12 22:59:05 2013. Sorry, can't help you there. |
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Posted by BusRider on Thu Feb 14 11:10:44 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Feb 12 23:17:06 2013. No Problem Thanks Though! Do you know when those car types were taking out of service? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 11:23:43 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 15:35:23 2013. No..the stations described by wayne |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Feb 14 11:23:44 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 11 15:35:23 2013. No..the stations described by wayne |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Feb 25 11:46:30 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by BusRider on Fri Feb 8 20:24:09 2013. Then there's this old sign at the Union Avenue and Wallabout Street closed entrance/exit to the IND Crosstown's Flushing Avenue station: ....and these at the 14th Street-Union Square station:   These pics date from the early 2000's. From http://forgotten-ny.com/. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Feb 25 14:08:04 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Mon Feb 11 23:58:03 2013. Those signs couldn't have been from the time when the A ran to Church Av since once the Fulton St Line opened, A service went to Rockaway Av and Church was served by the E and after 1940, the F. Another interesting set of signs that remained until the 1970s were the signs on the local stations on CPW that advised passengers for Washington Hts to change at 125 St. Those signs date from the opening of the Concourse line until 1940 when the 6 Av Line opened and the CC was the full time 8 Av Lcl and A trains ran Lcl between 168 and 145 St in both directions and there was no AA service. Prior to 1954, D trains ran to Hudson Terminal and Church Av was served by the F Line. The reason for the 1954 change was to provide a one seat ride for Bronx passengers to Coney Island since Queens passengers already had that with the Brighton Express. There was reference made to the "original" white on blue signs at Lefferts, but they probably had been modified at some point since the original signs read Lefferts AVENUE rather than Lefferts Boulevard. Although the street had been renamed from Avenue to Boulevard some years earlier, the trains and station signs read Lefferts Avenue until the A line took over in 1956. In fact the original station signs at Euclid and Grant (and possibly some other stations that I personally have not seen read "To Lefferts Ave" as installed but by the time the A line opened to Lefferts, they had the word "Ave" pasted over by signs that read "Blvd" which were not even in the same font as the original. I also recall seeing small white on blue platform signs on the light columns at Ditmars Blvd which read "D. A." remnants of the time when Ditmars Boulevard was known as Ditmars AVENUE. These lasted into at least the 1960s since I remember seeing them after I started working for the TA in 1966. I don't recall when they were removed, but there were signs on the Eastern Pky platform of the J Line directing passengers the "14 St Eastern Line" trains, a reference to what was the official name of the 14 St Line and described in the dual contracts. In the 1960s, there were also signs at Chambers/Centre St directing passengers to trains to Jamaica and Ridgewood. As late as the mid 1960s, there were signs at several stations along the IRT Jerome Av Line indicating trains to the Manhattan via the Lexington Ave subway and 6 and 9 Ave elevated. Original white on blue signs at Boro Hall Lex IRT entrances advised passengers of trains Manhattan, Woodlawn and West Farms in the Bronx via Lexington Av and East NY and Vanderveer Park. |
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Posted by chud1 on Mon Feb 25 15:59:48 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by renee gil on Mon Feb 25 11:46:30 2013. A+ on these pictures. it is to foam.chud1 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Feb 26 08:07:50 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway 1970's and 80's, posted by randyo on Mon Feb 25 14:08:04 2013. Up until the '80's 111th St had a sign telling riders they could get into Manhattan via the 2nd Ave el. This was actually shown prominently in the Daily News, in an article about incorrect signs. |
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