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Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'' |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 6 12:38:13 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 5 19:53:53 2012. Yup, but probably not very well. All SMEE's could run together. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 13:47:01 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 6 10:00:45 2012. You're accusing them of thinking? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 13:48:31 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 6 10:03:34 2012. They'd need to run more frequently in order to make it worthwhile. It's a good thing that they are still confused as to whether or not to BRT the thing, which means they will keep the status quo. But as for the Princeton station being moved 400 feet southward, that would be a grave error. |
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Posted by artenn3164 on Mon Aug 6 14:57:57 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 4 22:52:55 2012. The Sydney (Australia) commuter rail system is almost all double deck EMU's - the older trains are M-T-T-M and the newer ones are CT-M-M-CT and they have no problems. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Aug 6 15:06:53 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 13:48:31 2012. I highly agree about the idea to move the station. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Aug 6 18:38:22 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 5 21:25:49 2012. What is that something? In any event, we'll see, won't we? |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Aug 6 18:59:32 2012, in response to NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with "Multilevel Power Cars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:39:29 2012. What's everyone complaining about? It's been done.Cut and paste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbV_kvzOlM ICC Metra multi-levels. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Aug 6 19:58:40 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 23:07:17 2012. Yes; reversible seats will be missed.Only by the passengers, maybe...the fixed seats are the only good feature of the multilevels, in the eyes of the trainmen...no having to deal with the inconsiderate assholes who feel the need to take up 6 seats when traveling alone... And operating wise, there are currently restrictions at many locations around the ralroad where multi levels are prohibited from operating, due to the weight of the cars. Garwood siding on the RVL and Far Hills siding on the Gladstone Branch are two locations that immediately come to mind... They can get away with it on the RVL (that siding is very rarely used), but not on the Gladstone branch. The Far Hills siding is used every day... Wouldn't these "power cars" be even heavier than the trailers, due to the extra equipment needed for the power? |
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Posted by Jace on Mon Aug 6 21:08:30 2012, in response to NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with "Multilevel Power Cars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:39:29 2012. Sounds like someone's got more multilevels than they know what to do with. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 22:20:19 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Jace on Mon Aug 6 21:08:30 2012. This is sad but true. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 22:21:45 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon Aug 6 19:58:40 2012. I remember the Comet IIs with the locking reversible seats. Discouraged seat flipping for the most part.If MLVs are restricted from certain tracks, then wouldn't locomotives be also? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 22:23:27 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Mon Aug 6 18:59:32 2012. Wrong. Metra Electrics are 1½ feet taller and can't fit in the North River Tunnels. Everything is under the car with the Metra Highliners; the bottom deck is at 51 inches above rail whereas the bottom deck of the MLVs is far lower than that. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 00:15:45 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 6 22:21:45 2012. Yes, I remember the original Comet II seats. We used to keep the seats facing one way in half of the car, and facing the other way in the other half of the car...I guess the multilevels are heavier than the locomotives since there are no restrictions regarding the locomotives... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 7 00:33:51 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by artenn3164 on Mon Aug 6 14:57:57 2012. Yup, CityRail... I really gotta get down there and ride them... maybe this winter.Though apparently they are notoriously late... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 00:58:32 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 17:45:15 2012. There aren't any bilevel subway cars. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Aug 7 03:19:56 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by artenn3164 on Mon Aug 6 14:57:57 2012. Sydney CityRail also uses a 1500VDC power supply which reduces the weight and size of on-car equipment. But if Sweden can have the Coradia based X40 and Switzerland the KISS and Desiro DD, then we should be able to build a 25hz compatible bilevel EMU. |
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Posted by JRice on Tue Aug 7 07:44:25 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 00:15:45 2012. That is unlikely since any engine will be the governing load, no matter the wheel configuration. There must be some other equipment characteristic governing. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 10:07:11 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by JRice on Tue Aug 7 07:44:25 2012. What I'm saying is that the multilevel coaches are restricted from certain sidings while there are no such restrictions on any locomotives. That would tell me it's the weight that is the problem... |
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Posted by JRice on Tue Aug 7 11:45:56 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 10:07:11 2012. And the ML's are not anywhere close to the weight of an engine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 11:56:36 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by JRice on Tue Aug 7 11:45:56 2012. That's what I was getting at. They don't even weigh the same as NJT's lightest electric motor (the ALP-46, which is slightly under 200,000 lbs). |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 12:12:20 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by JRice on Tue Aug 7 11:45:56 2012. Ok, then I don't know the reason for the restrictions then... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 12:14:44 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 12:12:20 2012. Those wheel trucks on the MLVs must have some kind of tenderness to them that certain kinds of track would play havoc with 'em. They still inspecting MLV brakes as frequently as they have been? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 12:24:39 2012, in response to NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with "Multilevel Power Cars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:39:29 2012. Just for laffs: This is a photoshop of an original photo (by Gerald Oliveto) of MLVs crossing the Raritan River between Perth Amboy and South Amboy; pantographs were "installed", depicting a possible look for the MPC. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 12:31:16 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by JohnL on Sun Aug 5 16:51:02 2012. But there's no guarantee that the MPCs will increase the average speed. Nor is there a guarantee that the ten-car push-pulls will be replaced by all MPC equipment either. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 7 15:34:59 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 00:58:32 2012. There aren't any bilevel subway cars.It depends on how one counts RER in Paris. :-) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 16:11:51 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 7 15:34:59 2012. RER ain't exactly a subway. France doesn't call their subways subways either.But back to my point: There aren't any bilevel NYC Subway cars. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Tue Aug 7 19:52:42 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 7 15:34:59 2012. I'd count it as more of a BART or DC Metro kind of thing... or a really really really well run SEPTA Regional Rail.When I rode it, it seemed more commuter rail than "subway". |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Aug 7 20:20:46 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Aug 7 15:34:59 2012. RER is not a subway but more of S-bahn |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Aug 7 23:21:22 2012, in response to Re: NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'', posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 7 12:14:44 2012. They still inspecting MLV brakes as frequently as they have been?I guess so, I've been in Gladstone for over a month now, so I'm "out of the loop" for the time being... |
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Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars'') |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 17:28:04 2012, in response to NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with "Multilevel Power Cars", posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 4 18:39:29 2012. Daily Record
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Posted by WillD on Tue Oct 23 10:34:23 2012, in response to Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 17:28:04 2012. Wow, the Lackwanna Coalition is finally sounding somewhat sensible. About time. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Oct 23 10:35:46 2012, in response to Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 17:28:04 2012. Wow, the Lackwanna Coalition is finally sounding somewhat sensible. About time. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 12:10:54 2012, in response to Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 22 17:28:04 2012. If the Silverliner V's can't make the cut (assuming NJT even tries), how difficult would it be be to get a modernized Jersey Arrow III or Silverliner IV? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 23 12:45:54 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 12:10:54 2012. M 8 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 13:17:01 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 23 12:45:54 2012. Thought of that too, but I don't know how many low-floor stops NJT has. Hoboken immediately comes to mind. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:17:02 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 12:10:54 2012. NJT's a bit averse to having passenger doors in the cab area, especially for low platforms (may or may not be against current FRA crashworthiness regs), so the closest thing configuration-wise to the Arrows would be Montreal's MR-90s . . . of which you'd need a version that allows both high and low boarding at the end doors, has at least 100-mph certified MAS and also has automatic variable-tap transformers to allow on-the-fly operation between 11kV 25Hz and 25kV 60Hz overhead electrification systems. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:18:24 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 13:17:01 2012. Quite a few, but it ought not be a problem to rebuild the cars to have steps and trapdoors as well as long doors. However, the M8 isn't configured to run into 25-Hz territory. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 13:32:15 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:17:02 2012. The carbody definitely can't be the same (because of FRA and ADA and whatnot), but all those other features are things that are tried and proven on the cars I mentioned, no? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:32:41 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by WillD on Tue Oct 23 10:35:46 2012. Of all the nonsensical stuff you usually post, this really tops them all. Thought you'd be all for more government spending? Dear me, what troubles you about MLV EMUs in particular? (Or do you have an idea that wastes more money than this idea?) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:42:51 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 13:32:15 2012. Apparently the S-V can operate "up to 100 mph" (in SEPTA's words), but so far I'm not aware of anything about being able to switch voltages and frequencies on the fly. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:50:34 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:42:51 2012. Someone with the handle "ghostengineer" claims on the comments section of this video that "he" was a hogger on S-V tests on the NEC in NJT territory and that "he" also "got up to 115 (mph)" during said tests. (Embedding shut off.) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 14:18:49 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:17:02 2012. Ask Alstom if they can make a powered Comet V. Problem solved. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 14:24:14 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 14:18:49 2012. Not quite, since you end up with very few (and narrow) low-platform entrances per (for the sake of argument) married pair. You're going to have to get on and off at one end per every two cars instead of every car. Now if you rebuild the center doors with steps and traps plus "long doors", that might ease things a bit.At least the MLV power car concept gives the surplus MLVs a new purpose. (The MLVs were supposedly also compatible with the single-level cars, but I wonder if that perspective has changed?) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 14:57:36 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 14:24:14 2012. But IF the MLV power car acceleration is going to suck, wouldn't it mean the surplus MLV's will be irrelevant? In that case, might as well go with single level. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 15:07:42 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 14:57:36 2012. I don't anticipate it sucking, unless they build it underpowered. Past MUs have been power car plus trailer(s), and many modern-day MUs are so built. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a new single-level EMU if for the ease of boarding and ease on the conductors' appendages. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 23 15:15:15 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 13:18:24 2012. NJT could always use an M-8 Body with the technical equipment installed or modified to suit its voltage. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Oct 23 15:40:39 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 14:24:14 2012. Originally, the word was that they WERE going to run the multilevels in mixed sets with the Comet cars. The story I heard (unconfirmed) was that they decided against it because it would de-activate the PEI (Passenger Emergency Intercom) in the multilevel cars in the mixed sets. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 23 15:50:59 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by randyo on Tue Oct 23 15:15:15 2012. right. dump the third rail hardware/electrics, add the phase shifters. paint NJT M8n s w/an E-L Maroon stripe on the letterboard although the CDot scheme is essentially Rutgers colors, no? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 17:54:49 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 23 14:24:14 2012. They'd be just like the Arrow III's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 23 18:03:13 2012, in response to Re: Postponed twice in a row (NJT to replace Arrow IIIs with ''Multilevel Power Cars''), posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 23 14:57:36 2012. The only lines that NEED MU's are the M&E/Montclair-Boonton trains which run to Hoboken, and the Summit/MSU Midtown Directs. These trains hardly need the extra capacity a MLV provides. There is no need for MU's to run on the NEC, they only do because it's the only route out of NYP that does not require a phase change somewhere and there are far more Arrow III's than needed to provide the services in and out of Hoboken.Purchase 200 or so powered single level cars (the original Arrow IV concept), make then capable of doing phase changes on the fly and use then exclusively on the Morris and Essex lines. |
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