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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46) |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat May 26 15:34:04 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:15:10 2012. That's what the signs read, when one set was briefly transferred to the B in 2010. |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 26 15:59:11 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 14:51:56 2012. Got it. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 16:15:07 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 15:08:58 2012. Sounds like that's going to be the plan. Rock Park specials and dropouts from Far Rock.This is what they did last summer..... |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:43:28 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 13:01:19 2012. They did run them on the shuttle last year and that was smartest thing they did, btw no one besides beach goers ride the shuttle anyway, i rather have em on the Shuttle than the (A), its more fun and better photo ops. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. I heard that there's a whole group of fans out there today grabbin photos. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:50:26 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012. also did they transfer the R42's to 207th or pit kin yet, I went past ENY yard and saw a 10 car consist on the upper deck last night (4792 head car) and this morning i saw another 10 car consist next to the one i saw last night |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 16:59:30 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:43:28 2012. You think like a railfan and I think like a dispatcher because I'm running an efficent railroad, rather than entertaining some rail fans. As I said already, I'd rather keep my c/r's safely locked in a cab if I can do so.If I was the dispatcher and I had 24 cars worth of R46's available, that's what I would use. First of all, he is starting with 3/4 car R46 trains on Friday night. Add 2/4's together, and he has one train right off the bat. He lays up the other 4 car piece to the yard, which comes back out Monday morning, and all he has to bring out of the yard is 2/8 car R46's if he has them for the weekend. Why would I bring out one or 2 R32's if I had an R46 avilable? Why would I give my workers a task of changing 40 or 60 side signs and 10 end signs on an R32 only to have them get changed back to A for Monday morning service? I will not give my workers un-necessary work to do. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 17:16:35 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 16:59:30 2012. You think like a railfanWell, this is a railfan board - many people here are going to throw out suggestions based on what trains they like to ride and photograph. That said, your points from a dispatching and operational perspective are well-taken. |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 17:24:42 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012. where were these photos hanging? |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 17:55:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet, posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:50:26 2012. IDK if theyve been transfer yet, but none on the road today...... |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat May 26 17:56:47 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012. I rode an R32 on the (A) this morning. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 17:57:05 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012. Yes, they are out here........ |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sat May 26 18:15:23 2012, in response to The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:33:12 2012. 3 trains of R46s from Jamaica are also being transferred to Pitkin Yard; Saw the transfer orders yesterday at 71st Continental Avenue. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 26 18:39:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 16:59:30 2012. If the conductor is locked in a cab why have a conductor at all? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 18:47:28 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Sat May 26 18:39:03 2012. To open and close doors? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 26 18:50:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by FarRock on Sat May 26 08:38:50 2012. If somebody signed-up as "H", would they be in violation of the rules?-w- |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat May 26 19:09:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat May 26 18:50:58 2012. I wouldn't think so. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Sat May 26 19:36:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:16:14 2012. I missed the bus. What is an "enhanced" R44? |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Sat May 26 19:41:47 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 15:06:52 2012. 37371 likely has a MDBF 3 times better than it did assigned to 207 street now. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 20:27:12 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 17:55:31 2012. However, there are two Jamaica R46 sets on the road....... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:27:21 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by RailBus63 on Sat May 26 17:16:35 2012. I know well this is a railfan board.But I made my statement to make the point that the thought process of making logical dispatching decisions are not made to delight rail fans. |
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Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 21:29:13 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 17:55:31 2012. However, there are two Jamaica R46 sets on the road....... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:35:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by merrick1 on Sat May 26 18:39:03 2012. So as to not get assaulted in between stations.Memories are short. A number of years a go c/r Stuart Abranowicz (may have spelling wrong) was operating an R40 slant B train around 103 St. A female customer who was being assaulted ran to him for cover. She got saved, the c/r got shot, paralyzed (sp.?) and died after a few months. If he was in a locked transverse cab, rather than in full view outside the cab in between stations, he would be alive today. We do not want to lose any more c/r's like that. Freak occurance? Yes. But company policy is when an incident happens, steps are taken to prevent it from happening again: all replacement equipment with transverse cabs. If you are refering to something else: let's not rehash past discussions. NYCT has no plans to expand OPTO to long trains. The issues involved have been discussed in the past. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:40:10 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat May 26 19:09:44 2012. Rockaway Park via JFK Airport is technically the wrong sign since the shuttle starts at Broad Channel it doesn't stop at Howard Beach JFK Airport station. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 22:01:51 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:40:10 2012. If I recall, there are times during the summer with heavy beach crowds when the Rock Pk Shuttle runs all the way to/from Euclid so R/P via JFK would be appropriate for that service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 22:02:41 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:40:10 2012. If I recall, there are times during the summer with heavy beach crowds when the Rock Pk Shuttle runs all the way to/from Euclid so R/P via JFK would be appropriate for that service. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 22:04:27 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Sat May 26 22:02:41 2012. I missed the upper destination so even that combination would be incorrect unless the train were originating at Euclid and returning to Broad Channel which would now require the lower sign to be changed anyhow. |
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Posted by grimace1169 on Sat May 26 22:09:06 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Sat May 26 10:05:25 2012. I was at 14 and 8 today at 1 PM and 10 of them were heading uptown O/O/S. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat May 26 22:36:59 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by mtk52983 on Sat May 26 12:54:03 2012. The B doesn't make sense, because it requires 10 car trains. The M makes perfect sense since it would still have 40 R160s for late night shuttles and such. To me, a permanent swap of the C and M fleets could stop this seasonal flip-flop, but there may be valid reasons to not having R32s maintained in ENY. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 22:52:01 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 16:59:30 2012. that time they had the R32's on the Shuttle, there were only 2 R46's layed up in the yard, while the rest being R32's, if they get paid to do it then they have no choice, i don't get whats the problem with having an R32 on the shuttle, it made sense, those R46's break down too much due to being on the road a lot, C/R's may not like it but they get paid to do it, if i had the job I wouldn't give two shits what they gave me, as long as i get the job done thats what counts, this is why i have no respect for this system, this system is full of spoiled crews that never had to deal with the older equipment that had C/R's being in between cars just to open the doors exposing themselves to steel dust, at the end of the day a train is a train and its their job, they get paid very well to do it, i understand the dangers of it but you choose that job, you must do it, thats my two senses and I'm not thinking like a rail fan, I'm being completely real on this |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat May 26 23:02:39 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sat May 26 09:10:35 2012. Those R44 cabs are horrendous... tight, pop-o-matic! They ran, but they were far from ideal, I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Those the big handles on the R46 murder my arms. Thats why I love the R68, friendly to my hands, and arms and I can stretch! |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 23:05:45 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by grimace1169 on Sat May 26 22:09:06 2012. since it is called a 'swap', what does the J get in return? |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 23:07:18 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by ClearAspect on Sat May 26 23:02:39 2012. 'they were far from ideal'as well as mattel....... |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 23:08:58 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Sat May 26 23:05:45 2012. nothing, i wish some R32's can go overthere but they aren't getting anything |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 23:10:17 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 22:52:01 2012. That is one long, ranting sentence with no periods at all, not even one on the end. Doesn't make sense.So what there were 2 R46's laid up in the yard? Maybe they came in from Pitkin after those 32's were already on the road. Maybe they were waiting to go to Pitkin Yd waiting for a man to take them in, or laid up from Far Rock. IDK what time this was and don't care! The railroad is a 24/7 entity, not only when you are out there railfanning! Take the test and c'mon down! Take the promotion to dispatcher and run your railroad the way YOU want, and I'll run mine the way I want! And it's two cents, not two senses! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 23:13:14 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 23:08:58 2012. For rail fanning purposes only? |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 26 23:13:34 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 23:08:58 2012. subject corrected |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat May 26 23:14:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by monorail on Sat May 26 23:05:45 2012. Since the J/Z is getting nothing in return, I wouldn't be surprised if they reduce J/Z rush hour service for the summer. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 26 23:15:19 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by ClearAspect on Sat May 26 23:02:39 2012. Those the big handles on the R46 murder my arms.Hit those weights! J/K.. I can understand though it takes some "getting used to" That Express Run made the Day go back Quick, sorta... |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 26 23:33:20 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 21:35:31 2012. "Memories are short. A number of years a go c/r Stuart Abranowicz (may have spelling wrong) was operating an R40 slant B train around 103 St. A female customer who was being assaulted ran to him for cover. She got saved, the c/r got shot, paralyzed (sp.?) and died after a few months. If he was in a locked transverse cab, rather than in full view outside the cab in between stations, he would be alive today. We do not want to lose any more c/r's like that."But what would have happened to the passenger who was being assaulted? Does the conductor just stay in the locked cab in such a case? I know the answers aren't easy here, but I'm not sure the cab was the problem. Sounds as though the guy had a gun-- he probably could have shot the latch and forced the door if he really wanted to. Or he could shoot the conductor through the open window in the station. In any case, while I miss the railfan window, I rarely ride the subways to railfan; I usually just need to get from one place to another, and railfanning is incidental. If transverse cabs make things better somehow, okay. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun May 27 01:13:24 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sat May 26 17:55:31 2012. However, there are two Jamaica R46 sets on the road....... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun May 27 01:13:53 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat May 26 16:44:13 2012. Yes, they are out here........ |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun May 27 01:13:59 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 did the R42 get transferd yet, posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:50:26 2012. IDK if theyve been transfer yet, but none on the road today...... |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun May 27 01:14:06 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 13:01:19 2012. Not this weekend, they out in full force to the Rock. I mean full force. Today is the day to get a run on the flats............Until layup time...... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 27 02:02:11 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Ble-nimx on Sat May 26 19:36:44 2012. We did a mini upgrade on the R-44s which included:Major components in the group box being replaced Converting to AC blower motors In line air filters SMS trucks Air Brake package valves replaced Brake valve overhaul Door relay upgrades among other things. This was done to 172 cars. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun May 27 02:05:44 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by ClearAspect on Sat May 26 23:02:39 2012. The dead man's retention pressure for an R-44 was actually less than for an R-46 - making it easier on the arms. |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Sun May 27 02:19:25 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by Train Dude on Sun May 27 02:05:44 2012. The dead man's retention pressure for an R-44 was actually less than for an R-46 - making it easier on the arms.Was the "supression" factor different on the R-44 controller then? I never recovered an R-44 after "losing the handle". Quite different on the R-46. There had to be something different. (All my experience is post GOH) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 27 02:32:03 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 16:43:28 2012. ridiculous... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 27 02:37:50 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by R32_3671 on Sat May 26 22:52:01 2012. HAH! Its easy to talk that smack,until YOU have to operate them...When doing the Greyhound thing,I had a "dog of a bus"..ONCE. It fought me every step of the way until we reached the terminal..where I bagged and TAGGED IT so nobody else could get trapped off on that rolling crap pile. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun May 27 02:59:31 2012, in response to Re: The Big Swap Of 2012 (R32,R42,R46), posted by randyo on Sat May 26 22:02:41 2012. The "S" have not operated to Euclid since the "C" train started operating there seven days a week. |
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