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Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 02:56:53 2012

Washington Post

Why I no longer feel safe on Metro

By Kurtis Hiatt, Published: April 13, 2012
“[Expletive] the white man! [Expletive] the white man!”

The man’s yells reverberated through the Metrorail car, breaking the quiet typical of an early-morning ride. I turned down the music on my iPhone. What was that? “[Expletive] the white man!” he screamed again. My fellow Blue Line riders and I looked around uneasily. I couldn’t see the man, but I did note that I seemed to be one of very few white men in the car. Still, I brushed it off. It’s not unusual to encounter crazy behavior while riding Metro. Rarely do things turn serious. As the train arrived at L’Enfant Plaza, I briefly considered switching cars. I didn’t.

I should have.

What happened next is a blur. I remember hearing “Look me in the eyes!” Now the voice was close — too close. I turned. The man had squared up directly in front of me, his face level with mine. I met his rage-filled eyes the moment before he head-butted me. Then his right fist came around in a hook, connecting just above my cheek.

“What are you doing?” was all I could yell, rather lamely, as I shoved him away. He turned his punches toward another victim as other passengers came to our aid. One of them pulled the man’s jacket over his head in a hockey-like maneuver. A woman was pushing the emergency call button. Feeling stunned, I remember wondering: Why isn’t the conductor responding?

So began a series of critical failures by Metro to protect its passengers.

We arrived at the Smithsonian station. The doors opened, and I ran to the conductor. Did he know what was going on? I didn’t get an answer — or any acknowledgment at all, in fact — but he appeared to be talking to someone on his radio. I ran to the escalator to get the station manager, knowing I’d have to pass the car where the assailant had been. Was he still there? What if he had a gun? As I headed up, the train began pulling away as if nothing had happened. How could the conductor possibly know whether the offender had gotten off the train? The answer: He couldn’t.

Luckily, the man wasn’t still on board. As I reached the manager’s kiosk, the assailant jumped the exit gates. Other passengers and I pointed him out and yelled. Was the station manager calling the police? Was he doing anything? It was impossible to tell. So I ran to the outside escalator to get cellphone reception to call 911 myself. The dispatcher said I had to be transferred to Metro Transit Police. Seriously? Fine, I thought, as long as it means a cop will show up.

Fortunately, one did show up. Unfortunately, it was a full 15 minutes later.

In the meantime, my frustration with the Metro dispatcher grew as two other riders and I followed the assailant for blocks. In one minute, I had given her an exact location, the offender’s description and a full account of what had happened. But then five minutes passed. Then 10. Where are they? “Please be patient,” the dispatcher told me over and over. Meanwhile, the assailant was content to just sit and stare at us. He seemed likely to stay put, but again I wondered what would happen if he had a gun. Admittedly, we put ourselves in danger by following him, but who knew we’d be without backup for so long. We were playing babysitter for Metro.

Why couldn’t Metro coordinate with another agency that could respond more quickly? Later, after the man was finally arrested, I learned that the responding officer had to travel from Alexandria to our location near the Smithsonian stop; apparently no Metro police were in the area that Saturday morning. Presumably the dispatcher was aware of this. How could she not seek an alternative to a full 15-minute wait, especially after I pleaded with her to do so? It made me feel as if my emergency was laughably minor.

Metro gets a lot of flak — for long wait times, endless weekend track maintenance, surly employees. But these are insignificant compared to problems with safety and security. And I no longer feel safe on Metro. This is not because I believe Metro should have prevented an incident that was clearly beyond its control. Rather, it’s because Metro either didn’t have an effective response plan in place for my emergency or didn’t have employees competent enough to carry it out.


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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 07:41:38 2012, in response to Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 02:56:53 2012.

To parapharse Smaz, some things never change in the North.

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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012, in response to Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 02:56:53 2012.

You know, you and Orange blossom's right-wing paranoia is making something worse than it seems. True, it was a "racial" assault, but from the information gleaned from the article, the man was victimized by a very disturbed person, one who's racism was brought out by mental illness, or the influence of drugs or alcohol [not mentioned, but I know that these things may aggravate irrational fears].

It's bad enough when these situations occur, but when you right-winged nutjobs sit at your computer and reprint this stuff and scream "A-ha" you are contributing to the problem, not trying to find solutions.

WMATA should be duly criticized for not having enough security around [especially on early weekend mornings], and not coordinating with other police depts. Leave it at that, not inflaming other people.

Really, right-wing hypocrites like you should stay off this board because all you do is criticize Transit for their shortcomings and not offer any solutions.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by italianstallion on Tue May 1 15:33:11 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

Good post. The victim did not call this a racist assault. Why should we? The thrust of the article was the failures of WMATA and the police.

The OP is the real racist here.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 16:21:56 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

Couldnt have said it better..other than flame him..but that would have only dded to his ridiculousness..

In a simple language..he's a dick.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 16:25:02 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 07:41:38 2012.

North?

you mean "north of You"?

DC is in the south,dude..and furthermore..PLENTY has changed "in the North"..cant say the same for the more "red necked" perversion of the south...

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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 16:26:39 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by italianstallion on Tue May 1 15:33:11 2012.

Nah..he's a "baiter"..the more inflammatory...the better for him to stroke the flames.

Classic Troll ware..

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by CJ on Tue May 1 16:52:09 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 07:41:38 2012.

Wow orange blossom special how much of a dick do you have to be?

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 18:02:28 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 16:25:02 2012.

DC is in the south? You must really be far north.
And I agree, it did change, this is much more epidemic than it used to be for the last 5 decades.

Now if DC was in the south, why wasn't this guy allowed to carry concealed to protect himself against Black Supremacist allegedly like yourself?

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Posted by J trainloco on Tue May 1 18:14:20 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 18:02:28 2012.

The reason the capitol is Washington DC is because it was a compromise to put it in 'the South'.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 18:15:01 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

You aren't making any sense besides name calling, and defending this Black Supremacist. And then claiming this is a one off event. Here's a secret, this is why people don't ride your transit in the numbers they should, cuz it ain't rare enough.

I'd ask you to back up your silly allegations, but that's a waste of everyones time on this board.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by italianstallion on Tue May 1 18:54:11 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by J trainloco on Tue May 1 18:14:20 2012.

I guess he never heard of the Mason-Dixon line.

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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 21:19:16 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 18:15:01 2012.

No..I;d like YOU to back up Yours...furthermore the fact you claim he makes no sense shows us just how narrow minded you nut jobs are...his premiss was extensively simple..

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 21:27:32 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

but from the information gleaned from the article, the man was victimized by a very disturbed person

No, you can't glean that from the article; you can only assume that. Nobody's pouncing and saying "aha"; that kind of reaction shows up your true colors (no pun intended).

you should stay off this board because all you do is criticize Transit for their shortcomings and not offer any solutions

Hmm, more lies and name-calling out of you. Sorry to hear that (real!) privatization and ceasing to throw endless streams of public money at the problem (inherently corrupt state operations) is not a solution you want to hear. And don't call people "right wing" or "hypocrites" who are neither; you don't seem to even know the definition of either term.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by The Silence on Tue May 1 22:46:46 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

a guy gets beaten up soley because of his skin color. Last I checked, that was a hate crime end of story. Oh, wait, he was white, and you losers don't care when it's a white person who gets attacked.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 1 23:06:32 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by The Silence on Tue May 1 22:46:46 2012.

Hate crime laws are a savage hypocrisy.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Railman718 on Tue May 1 23:44:48 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 1 21:19:16 2012.

Hes in another reality..



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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 2 00:10:01 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Tue May 1 09:51:41 2012.

Not sure that I can criticize WMATA for this---police can't be everywhere. I do feel for the victim, but it appears as though he's blowing it out of proportion.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 01:11:17 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by The Silence on Tue May 1 22:46:46 2012.

Nope; whites aren't a "protected class". Great violation of the 14th Amendment, isn't it? (When the victims are older whites, it's called "polar bear hunting".)

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 01:54:42 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by The Silence on Tue May 1 22:46:46 2012.

you losers!

just so you know..we care about ANYBODY getting attacked..PERIOD.

Just because this is a royal hackjob placed here by the OP to get a reaction like yours to draw out all the sensitive BITCHES..thees no reason to fall to pieces,sunshine..

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by WillD on Wed May 2 03:08:16 2012, in response to Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 02:56:53 2012.

All this really does is highlight two problems. The lack of cooperation with police departments that may have officers closer to the scene, and the massive blind spot in the CCTV system which TAs like WMATA are faced with on their trains.

At this point it's probably safer for the criminal to commit whatever crime on the train as it arrives in a station than to victimize someone on the platform in full view of the cameras. The addition of cameras viewing the inside of the car are a good step in the right direction, but as yet they're only good for an after-the-fact casebuilding effort. Ultimately there *needs* to be a way in which video can be offloaded from the car in near real-time for viewing by the officers that will respond. I would suggest that when the passenger alarm is triggered it should offload the prior 30 seconds of feed from the car's cameras, alert a central police dispatcher, and pop those video feeds up for the dispatcher to view. But that of course would require them to have ancillary wayside data system capable of supporting that sort of data, and they can't even get their main signalling system to keep track of little things like trains.

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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 2 12:48:07 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by CJ on Tue May 1 16:52:09 2012.

"Wow orange blossom special how much of a dick do you have to be?"

He used to be one of these:

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 2 12:50:29 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by italianstallion on Tue May 1 18:54:11 2012.

To put it mildly......OBS hasn't heard or read American history at all.

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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 2 12:54:54 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 1 21:27:32 2012.

"And don't call people "right wing" or "hypocrites" who are neither; you don't seem to even know the definition of either term."

LOL....are you for real Olog? you seem to really want to forget this character below: REPUBLICAN AT HIS BEST!

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by CJ on Wed May 2 16:07:33 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 2 12:48:07 2012.

Wow that's sad.

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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 2 21:06:33 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by CJ on Wed May 2 16:07:33 2012.

Wow that's sad.

Some of the resposes to this post is what is really sad.

FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL ASILE!


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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:20:37 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by kp5308 on Wed May 2 21:06:33 2012.

What are you referring to in your third sentence?

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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 2 21:24:22 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:20:37 2012.

There are racists in both parties. It is a matter of mindset.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:26:05 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by kp5308 on Wed May 2 21:24:22 2012.

"Parties"?? I don't see any mention of "parties" other than by perhaps the radical leftists on this post. Besides, both parties in DC lean left nowadays.

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Posted by kp5308 on Wed May 2 21:32:57 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:26:05 2012.

Really....so it needs to be spelled out for you? But I will agree, we are a leftist nation nowadays. I'm done going OT.

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:40:55 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Tue May 1 18:02:28 2012.

If I am a "Black Supremacist..then I am very proud to be one..it will make jackasses like You think twice before coming at me the wrong way.

Furthermore,DC is in the SOUTH..created from two southern states..NOT NORTHERN STATES...too bad they didnt teach you that in the RED NECK school you went to.

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:42:19 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by italianstallion on Tue May 1 18:54:11 2012.

His neck is too RED..from that dog collar..

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:43:02 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 2 12:50:29 2012.

Hes a bitchass..so its to be expected.

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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:49:14 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:26:05 2012.

You are Really a sad little man. You sit in your corner a yell as loud as you can..wishing for someone to hear you..finally you find a kindred spirit in ratchet ass Chris so You BOTH SCREAM in the Corner to be heard..then a few other dickheads join you..and you ALL scream to be heard..only to meet the SAME RESULTS..

SHUT THE FUCK UP,BITCHES!

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Posted by merrick1 on Thu May 3 06:51:22 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 2 21:26:05 2012.

I'm pretty sure the Democrats are center and the Republicans are right. I don't see very many in Washington advocating progressive positions like real national health care, same-sex marriage, living wages, full employment or sustainable energy. I see plenty of people in Washington advocating right right-wing positions like endless colonial wars, cuts in public assistance and tax breaks for the ultra-rich and the oil companies.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 07:56:18 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:49:14 2012.

Control your breathern, you're ruining it for everyone.
I know this is the only place you can get your kicks that you actually have control to fight other people, and not pick them out on trains(I suspect), but it's time for you to be useful for once for the greater good. The one, the guy on the train, needs outweigh the many, your community.

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Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 3 16:25:53 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 07:56:18 2012.

..this is an excellent example of how foolish you red necks really are...you are the most backward thinking,"awh shucks" talking,rock kicking ,whining about bullshit bunch of "American despair" I've ever had the displeasure of knowing..

If i'm out spoken..and I stand up for myself and my people..that makes ME a "black supremist"..
If i speak in a langueage you can't understand,whether it be "hood" or spanish..that makes me alien..
If I walk in a fucking neighborhood predominantly white..you get swirly and call the police..

Yet you can move into my neighborhood..shop at my stores ..open clubs that stay open to the wee hours of the morning with patron pissing by the curb of our cars..and we welcome you still..instead of murdering every last one of you..yet We are the racist.

"Be useful for once for the greater good"..
Is that right..? For years..i've preformed a public service..in my community..helping my fellows regardless of what color they were.
For years,as a PROFESSIONAL..MY JOB took me all over the East Coast AND CANADA,deal with the general public..all the while following my passion for creative writing..art and several other worthwhile projects..

For YEARS..I'VE done more to enhance the life of "my people",by telling them THE TRUTH rather than cater to bullshit lies that IM sure you would tell them..ALWAYS suggesting there is a better way than resorting to any violence..

perhaps that a little too much for you to comprehend all at once..since you seem to know me so well..but just so you know..Ive done more in my short life than you will when you take your last breath..
so ..from the bottom of this "black supremacist" heart..eat crap and die a lonesome death.


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Posted by Railman718 on Thu May 3 16:47:37 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 3 16:25:53 2012.

He's just scared .. Living with mummy and daddy too long can do that..

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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 21:48:42 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 2 22:40:55 2012.

Yea, the civil war happened before the revolution and hence how we get even Delaware considered the Deep South per subchatters. And other laughable things like redneck PA being southern too. Yea you got me. I've been corrected!
Does this mean that DC is occupying a confederate state as per you?

Or 'jackasses' like you who have such a supremacy issue, you gotta jump into a thread about an unrelated hate crime, but one against a jewish kid, and attack me. Society is sick of placating you. I mean you personally, sicko. I sense a sicko pattern.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 5 17:26:48 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by The Silence on Tue May 1 22:46:46 2012.

It is a so-called "hate crime," but such crimes should not exist. A person should be punished because of wrongdoing. Beating someone up is wrong, and the person who does so ought to be punished. That a person may possess certain opinions about others may be offensive to many, but it is an opinion that one is entitled to possess, and so long as one does not act on that opinion to the detriment of another person, there is no crime. Such thoughts are protected by the First Amendment, just as other offensive expressions are also protected.

Hate crime laws punish a person more severely for a wrong act compared to another person who would commit the same act without the offensive thought. Thus, we are enhancing punishment for the possession of a thought which, by itself, is no crime. This is the imposition of thought police, punishing people because of their opinions.

(Now punishing people because of their opinions should be distinguished from punishment based on mens rea. That is, the intent or the manner in which the wrongdoing was committed. But having a constitutionally-protected opinion cannot be the basis of a guilty mind.)

The police need to go after, and the DAs need to prosecute, all wrongdoers impartially and without discrimination as to race or other immutable characteristics. Otherwise, some Metro riders will rightfully be fearful of being less protected than others.

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by merrick1 on Sat May 5 18:20:55 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 5 17:26:48 2012.

It can get interesting. Age is a protected class. If a criminal robs old people because he thinks they are easy marks is that a hate crime? If he robs old people because he hates old people is that a hate crime?

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 5 18:54:20 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by merrick1 on Sat May 5 18:20:55 2012.

Yes. And for that exact reason hate crimes should not exist. The criminal ought to be brought to justice because he or she is robbing someone else. That the criminal hates old people ought not, in and of itself, be a crime.

Everyone who rides public transportation ought to have the same protection. That is, criminals should have the same deterrents against committing crimes for the entire population, for otherwise criminals (or at least the smarter ones) will target those individuals not in protected classes.

(Use the same reasoning and consider: are enhanced penalties for committing a crime against an employee of a public transportation system proper? Are the paying passengers of a public transportation system less worthy of the protection of the laws than the system employees who voluntarily accepted the conditions and risks of the job? Should there be a difference in the penalty assessed against a criminal who assaults a bus driver as opposed to one who assaults the driver of an 18-wheeler hauling cargo? Should there be a distinction between employees of public transit systems that are directly and actually engaged in the movement of a vehicle, versus those who are indirectly involved, e.g., conductors and dispatchers?)

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat May 5 19:19:46 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by BusMgr on Sat May 5 18:54:20 2012.

Easy solution.

If you commit a crime against someone you do not know, you should be severely punished as the crime is random and society is in danger from such a person.
If you attack someone doing their job, your punishment should be more severe also. Work sucks enough, you don't need to get attacked doing it, or be caught up in a 9/11 or 7/7 situation.
If two rival gangs kill each other, it should be punished as it is a crime, and a disturbance of the peace. However, YOU are not the main target on the way to work, are you not?
Then there is street justice.

Hate crimes are there to protect all classes from such unnatural states of rage and hate.

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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 5 22:00:28 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by orange blossom special on Thu May 3 21:48:42 2012.

Fuck you..I earn EVERY cent I ever got..unlike the bitchassness you push on us with you bullshit whine machine.

You are the whiniest bitch here..
THAT'S reason I mess with you so much Is due to a WEAKNESS I see in you..A WEAKNESS..THAT LIKE A CANCEROUS SORE TRYING TO EAT AT THE REST OF US..That cannot be allowed..
So ever time you open your "mouth" with some more of your personal brand of BITCHASSNESS..I gonna kick you in your fucking jaw with my verbal dash..do you hear me,BITCHASS?

Im gonna KICK YOU IN THE FUCKING JAW..!

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Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 5 22:34:32 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by Railman718 on Thu May 3 16:47:37 2012.

its more than that..

he hasn't a real clue about what he's chiming in on..just wanting to be"part of something"..
well in THIS place..IF you dont know squat..its best to keep your fucking mouth shut..which is the advise HE should follow since hes dumber than a box of rocks!

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Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 6 11:27:44 2012, in response to Re: Racist assault on Washington Metro, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed May 2 00:10:01 2012.

...if the nearest officer is 15 minutes away, you make alternate arrangements.

If the vic had said "I think he has a bomb" how fast do you think help would have arrived?

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