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Posted by 167t on Fri Mar 16 00:38:23 2012, in response to Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Mar 15 21:16:10 2012. At this point in the game (pun intended) Woody Johnson (pun) should not be admitting he is a donor/friend of The Blimp. So I guess we're talking about two dicks! (giggity) |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Fri Mar 16 00:43:04 2012, in response to Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Mar 15 21:16:10 2012. Not to get too far O/T, but why do we still have Blue Laws in the year 2012? I thought there was a separation of church and state. |
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Posted by 167t on Fri Mar 16 00:50:40 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Mar 16 00:43:04 2012. Who knows at this point, but it's a good thing; we can drive around freely on a Sunday. Movies, supermarkets and gas stations are open.I's a short ride to Secaucus, Clifton or Rockland County anyway. It could be worse, there could be Amish tooling around in buggys. Oh, nevermind, we see Hasidics comimng down from Rockland driving around in bashed up 1987 Chevy wagons!! |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Fri Mar 16 12:59:43 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by 167t on Fri Mar 16 00:50:40 2012. Blank um' They should have thought about that back in 2005!They should have built the new stadium on the site of the old Worlds Fairs Grounds in Flushing NEW YORK! |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Mar 16 14:16:31 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Mar 16 12:59:43 2012. And then rebuild the Worlds Fair Line, while they were at it..... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 16 14:38:59 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Mar 16 00:43:04 2012. I thought there was a separation of church and stateThat's because you're not well, and most likely never read the US Constitution. Can you tell which is the US Constitution and which is the USSR's Constitution? I bet you can't.
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Posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012, in response to Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Mar 15 21:16:10 2012. I have no sympathy for two teams who continue to use New York's name while enriching New Jersey's economy and not New York's. In Los Angeles, everyone threw a fit when the Angels wanted to trade in the name Anaheim for Los Angeles, even though the Angels started in LA and played in the same Anaheim Stadium as did the Rams. Nobody complained aobut the Rams remaining Los Angeles. At least the Angels are in the same state. I cannot believe that there is no outcry among residents of New York City or State about the use of their name while other types of taxes go up, partially to replace the lost revenue. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Fri Mar 16 17:59:16 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012. Finally someone agrees with my point of view on this topic.They could at least have practice fields, corporate offices, headquarters in NYC. NYC is good enough for the NFL offices but not good enough for those two teams I will NEVER support. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Mar 16 18:11:41 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012. i do not root for da nj giants and jets since they left ny. there is only one football left in nys and its da buffalo bills.da mayor and gov of ny should take da giants and jets to court to have them change their name and same thing for da nfl. chud1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:50:22 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Forest Glen on Fri Mar 16 00:43:04 2012. Laws which have religious origins can also have a secular purpose. McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420 (1961) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:52:24 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Mar 16 12:59:43 2012. You mean build a stadium farther away from the true city of New York? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:53:32 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012. They're in the same state because no other state is within sufficient distance of Los Angeles. If Orange County were a different state, then they would still be entitled to the name "Los Angeles." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:56:03 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by chud1 on Fri Mar 16 18:11:41 2012. The Buffalo Bills represent the CITY of Buffalo, not the STATE of New York. That's why they're not the New York Bills. The Jets and Giants are the NEW YORK CITY GIANTS and NEW YORK CITY JETS.Why the fuck do we have to go through this all the time? Our state boundaries are arbitrary and stupid. The New England Patriots, Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Ravens and Washington Redskins all play closer to New York than the Buffalo Bills. Yet because some idiot 200 years ago decided that the borders of states should go a certain way instead of a certain other way, you are a fan of a team that plays nearly 400 miles away. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 22:00:55 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012. Oh this nonsense again. The "new york" in the name NY Giants or Jets refers to the CITY not the state! East rutherford is just as much in the NYC Metro area as lets say Babylon is. In fact its a hell of a lot closer to the city. Its the New York CITY giants or jets....the state of ny has nothing to do with the name. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 22:09:36 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Mar 16 17:59:16 2012. So then don't. Go to Philly and support the Eagles or somewhere if you want. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 22:14:14 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by chud1 on Fri Mar 16 18:11:41 2012. The 'NY' in the Bills name has NOTHING to do withe state of NY. Just as the NY in the Jets and Giants have nothing to do with the state of New York. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Mar 17 01:43:05 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:56:03 2012. and buffalo in in nys and da giants and jets are not. they play in da toxice waste state of nj.chud1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 02:53:33 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by chud1 on Sat Mar 17 01:43:05 2012. Way to completely ignore the post. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 07:46:59 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by chud1 on Sat Mar 17 01:43:05 2012. And They are the BUFFALO Bills, not the New York [State] Bills. The Bills play in Orchard Park, which is not in the City of Buffalo. In fact it's further away from the City than the Jets and Giants are.The New York in the Jets and Giants has nothing to do with the State of New York either, it is in reference to the CITY of New York. It just so happens that the Metro area of the City of New York, straddles the border of the state, and it just so happens the City has the same name as the State. If New York City was never changed from it's original name of New Amsterdam, it would be the New Amsterdam Giants or Jets. For the 1000th time, the NY in the name has absolutely nothing to do with the State of New York. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 14:01:38 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by chud1 on Sat Mar 17 01:43:05 2012. So what? The state line is just an arbitrarily drawn boundary that affects political and economic decisions made by the state. Sports teams represent CITIES AND THEIR SURROUNDING TOWNS, regardless of what state they are located in.But I'm sure the gist of this post just sailed over your head. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 14:20:58 2012, in response to Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Mar 15 21:16:10 2012. Just what the area needs- another mall! It would make a perfect casino site, complimenting the Sports Complex. Especially now, since casino gambling is a strong possibility in NY. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 17 14:37:21 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 07:46:59 2012. IAWTP |
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Posted by Gene B. on Sat Mar 17 15:02:58 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 16 22:00:55 2012. I totally disagree. Where tax dollars and laws are concerned they are very far apart. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:09:32 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 14:20:58 2012. It's not really a mall, it's an entertainment complex. I can't wait for this thing to open so I could go skiïng in July without having to go to Dubai. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:11:33 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Sat Mar 17 15:02:58 2012. The teams, both private corporations, should not be hamstrung into staying within a particular span of the region just in order to remain in the same state as their metropolis, despite no such obstacle being present for cities like Los Angeles or Miami that are far from any state boundary. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 17 15:13:10 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:11:33 2012. +1 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 15:38:26 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:09:32 2012. You are right! Why watch Muslims ski in Dubai, when we can watch them do it here? Half of Jersey City would be on crutches!!! |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 16:25:40 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Gene B. on Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2012. Are folks in DC as ouraged about the Redskins playing in Landover, Maryland? That's not any different than the Jets and Giants playing in East Rutherford.And if it wasn't for Cablevision crying to Shelly Silver, the Jets would be back in the city, playing their home games on Manhattan's West Side. But Silver knows exactly who's buttering his bread... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 17 17:01:04 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:09:32 2012. I can't wait for this thing to open so I could go skiïng in July without having to go to Dubai.Or Australia. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 17 17:04:23 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:56:03 2012. Yet because some idiot 200 years ago decided that the borders of states should go a certain way instead of a certain other wayThings to be fixed when we write a new constitution... :-) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 20:42:16 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 17 17:01:04 2012. They have them in Europe too. I just mentioned Dubai because people seem to think that an indoor ski slope is like this crazy thing they built in Dubai, rather than something that is well established all over the world except strangely in the US. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 21:22:29 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 07:46:59 2012. "New York" appears in both the Giants and Jets legal franchise titles. They play in a stadium that happens to be located in New Jersey. And nothing that you say here is going to change this! we need a diversion: (I open the door.) "Look outside, children, a 76th Street thread!" (They all run out and I close and lock the door!). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 21:57:16 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 21:22:29 2012. The Washington Redskins play their home games at FedEx field in Landover, MD, so it's not just the Jets and Giants. Plus, I believe years ago the Jets and Giants were blocked by the NFL to change their name to New Jersey in each case anyway out the Eagles concern that they would lose their south Jersey audience if the Jets and Giants suddenly used "New Jersey" in their name.The Jets did try to get a new stadium in Manhattan across, but we know how that turned out mainly because as I remember the Dolans were concerned about losing their concert business at MSG to a new stadium very close by. Given the economy, that actually worked out for the best. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 22:00:49 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 15:11:33 2012. And the other problem is, if the Jets and Giants suddenly started calling themselves "New Jersey", the Eagles could have had serious concerns about losing a significant chunk of their south Jersey audience to teams actually called "New Jersey," if not immediately in later generations (and Philly of course is much closer to New York City than Buffalo is). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 22:03:07 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 16:25:40 2012. Dolan was concerned specifically as I recall about losing concert business to a new stadium closeby, but actually, given how the economy tanked, it was all for the best.If the Jets had gotten their new stadium, the Jets and Giants would both right now be likely swimming in a large amount of debt given how much the economy tanked after the West Side stadium was scrapped. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 17 22:04:42 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 16 21:56:03 2012. Buffalo is still inside New York's "artificial boundaries" ... :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 22:09:55 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 21:22:29 2012. The "New York" in the team name refers to the city. While it is ambiguous, history makes it clear that it's the city and not the state.When the National League of Professional Base Ball Clubs (The NL) was founded in 1876, the "New York" franchise did not play in the City of New York. Yet the team was still called "Mutual of New York" and not "Mutual of Brooklyn." If you go back to the origins of baseball, the New York Knickerbockers played at Elysian Fields in Hoboken. The very first "NY" teams played in NJ! I know we were talking about football, but the rules are pretty much the same for team names in the MLB and NFL. And we're all aware which Giants came first. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 22:11:24 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 17 22:04:42 2012. Yes, but none of the teams purport to represent the state. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 22:21:05 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 22:00:49 2012. Doesn't seem to be a problem for the New Jersey Devils or Nets (although the Nets are moving to Brooklyn this fall). South Jersey hockey and basketball fans root for the out-of-state Flyers and Sixers. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 22:48:31 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 22:21:05 2012. Of course, but for instance you do have a significant base of Giants fans that do live in South Jersey (enough where when the Eagles aren't on but the Giants are, as much as possible the Giants take priority with what games are shown in Philly). That probably would be where the Eagles would be concerned because that is also a significant fan base for the Eagles.Ironically, had the Eagles moved to Phoenix as Leonard Tose almost did with them before selling the team to Norman Braman in 1984, the Jets were in line to move to Philly to replace the Eagles (I remember reading about that years ago in USA TODAY). That would have stirred things up a lot if that had happened, as Jets fans in New York would likely have blamed Leonard Tose and his gambling problems for it (Tose's gambling problems were well known and in fact, Dick Vermeil, who took the Eagles to the Super Bowl when Tose still owned the team was as I remember taking care of Tose in his final days). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:00:11 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Mar 17 22:21:05 2012. Aside from the Cardinals, football teams call themselves in reference to their cities, not states.Again, regardless, the "NY" refers to the city not the state. It has nothing to do with either the state of NY or NJ. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:01:43 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 17 22:04:42 2012. Yes, but the State of NY has nothing to do with the NY name in either the Jets, nor the Giants, nor the Bills. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:02:58 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 17 21:22:29 2012. The NY has NOTHING to do with the State of NY, it refers to the city, in which East RUtherford is in it's Metro area. What the hell does New Jersey have to do with it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 23:03:04 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:00:11 2012. Also the Vikings and Panthers (sort of). Then there's the Patriots.The Vikings were the first state team in the NFL. They started play in the same year, but obviously later in the year, as the Minnesota Twins which IINM were the first major team in any sport to be named for a state as opposed to a city. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 23:04:50 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 23:03:04 2012. Oh, and the Titans. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:04:58 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 21:57:16 2012. And it has nothing to do with either state. It's no different than the DALLAS Cowboys playing in Arlington Texas instead of Dallas. Or the Buffalo Bills playing in Orchard Park. Or as mentioned the Redskins.The Miami Dolphins don't play in the City of Miami either. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:06:48 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Mar 17 22:03:07 2012. The Jets playing on the West Side would have sucked the big on. It would have been the end of tailgating for the Jets games, as they would never let you do that in a parking garage/ |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 17 23:11:22 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 17 22:11:24 2012. True ... but Buffalo can't help itself ... it's trapped inside the border and thus they're a "New York" team ... the other guys are inside the border of Jersey and therefore they're not! LOL |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 17 23:12:01 2012, in response to Re: Mall Plan Irks Jets, Giants, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 17 23:01:43 2012. Of course not ... they're the BUFFALO Bills ... but then Buffalo ain't in New Jersey. :) |
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