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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 16:44:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:38:05 2012.

You really know jack, don't you? How slow do you want Amtrak to run through there?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 16:44:57 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:37:27 2012.

Turn them back to where? You're taking up tunnel slots.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:49:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 10 05:58:52 2012.

You know...I can actually see that happening in somewhere like Honduras

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:51:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 16:31:22 2012.

Why would you need to empty out a through running train?

Because 98% of the patrons are headed to Manhattan. With 7 NJT branches and 3 MN lines, what are the odds that you would serve anyone on the same train headed between New Jersey and MN turf ? Slim to none. If I am going from Ridgewood, NJ to Brewster, do you think I will "settle" for Danbury ? No.

Jamaica is not Manhattan. It is not a destination for 95 - 98% of the ridership. It was made for cross platform transfers for train headed in the same direction.

"Cooperation" is an vast oversimplification of the issue. Amtrak does not thru-route their service with any other passenger railroad except VIA Rail at Niagara Falls, and that takes 1 - 2 hours. The principle argument is not 2 different agencies, but 2 incompatible RR's with peaks in opposite directions.

There is no way that MN would put it's high OTP on the line with a schlock outfit like NJT, which doesn't even have an operating plan in NYPS>

Now I'll admit there is some need for some inner NE corridor alternative service to expensive Amtrak between Trenton and New Haven, but I am under under no delusions that dwell time in NYPS would be any less than 20 minutes.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:53:32 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 16:32:14 2012.

Apply what concept ? The New Haven line belongs top MN and New Jersey trackage belongs to NJT and Amtrak.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:57:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:12:54 2012.

That's gonna take waaaaaay too long

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:06:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 19:29:06 2012.

Not a loop track, a wye would be better. Just spin the loco, not the whole train

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 11 17:07:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:00:02 2012.

Ah... A reciprocal Service with NH. Very Good!

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 17:09:07 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:06:35 2012.

Brilliant. Detach the loco, turn it, run it around the train, re-couple it and do brake tests all over again. Costs nothing, right? Sounds like a better idea to keep it running into GCT.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:12:36 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 17:09:07 2012.

That's to turn it at Poughkeepsie

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 17:13:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:12:36 2012.

Yes. Now you have to worry about turning it at NYP and wearing out the loop track.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 17:33:30 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:51:35 2012.

I understand your point. However, when it comes to train dwell times, the dwell need not exceed the time necessary to get the passengers off the train. LIRR has a similar situation at Jamaica when there is large turnover on trains of people both entering and exiting. I don't think that you're going to get dwell times less than 60 seconds, for sure, but I also know that 20 minutes is not the right figure either. I don't think it takes people 10 minutes to disembark.

The advantage of through routing the NJT and MNRR services is that you don't need any extra NYP slots, and MNRR can increase the number of trains it operates into NYC without large capital expenditure. One-seat NJ/NH service is nice, but not really all that useful, as you noted.

At the end of the day, if it can't be done, then the idea of seizing LIRR NYP slots is an option as well, but this avoids having to do that.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 18:13:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 17:33:30 2012.

"The advantage of through routing the NJT and MNRR services is that you don't need any extra NYP slots"

So you send an AM rush NJT train that is now goes to Sunnyside to New Haven instead. That's nice, but is doesn't get you a slot, and adds only reverse peak service on MNRR.

The other way around, there are no inbound AM rush East River tunnels slots available, there are no NJT runs from Sunnyside to piggyback onto, so you cannot add MN service to NYPS in the peak direction.

Ditto the above arguments in the PM rush, just reverse the directions.
You haven't solved any problems.

"dwell need not exceed the time necessary to get the passengers off the train."

Each railroad will demand a substantial cushion so as not to magnify delays on one side of the Hudson to the other side.

"I don't think it takes people 10 minutes to disembark. "

You need to watch an NJT 10 car MLV train some morning. It takes 10 minutes to clear the train, platform, and stairs. Forget about reversing the escalators.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 18:15:48 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 17:33:30 2012.

The problem is tunnel slots.

Oh, and with "through-running", you're doubling the length of crew runs and moving the storage problem elsewhere. There is no historical precedent; it's not going to be done.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 19:47:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:12:36 2012.

Do you know what a fiasco it is to disconnect all the 480v lines and MU cables, then put it back together. That's why they don't cut off-peak consists anymore.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 19:51:25 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 19:47:55 2012.

no he does not, and he is not familiar with all FRA rules pertaining to Blue Light protection etc etc etc.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 20:01:00 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 19:51:25 2012.

Then there's work rules, 3 point protection, electricians, etc. Labor intensive. Forget about 20 minute equipment turns, so bad crew/equipment utilization.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 21:42:44 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 18:13:41 2012.

You are correct: I was thinking about a reverse peak NJT train would be coming out of Sunnyside.

I still don't know about those dwell times though. And just whose railroad is it west of NYP anyway?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 12 02:43:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 17:06:35 2012.

You have to turn the whole train though... there's an order to things, the same end of each car always points towards the engine and away from the cab car... if you have a cab car on both ends and a wye to move the engine, this order is destroyed, and you will eventually end up with trains with cars pointing the wrong way. NJT does not allow this to happen, but MBTA does get lazy and you often get the A ends coupled to each other.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 07:41:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 21:42:44 2012.

Amtrak ownes entire NYP complex plus Hellgate line, LIRR starts at Harold.
MNCR starts at CP216 (new Rochelle)

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 07:52:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 07:41:59 2012.

The LIRR runs west of Harold into LIC, hence the mixing bowl at Harold.
LIRR has a joint operating agreement into NYPS, which means more power than just trackage rights.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 07:54:46 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 18:15:48 2012.

Just the Giants train(s). The crews would presumably change. Outlying terminals have far fewer trains laying around during the day than during the night or the weekend.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 07:59:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 07:52:34 2012.

But LIRR has no ownership, the question was who Ownes what.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 10:36:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 07:59:40 2012.

Amtrak, but tenant LIRR has lifelong rights.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 12:06:18 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 10:36:45 2012.

but what does that answer have to do with question on who owns it ???


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 12 12:39:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Feb 12 12:06:18 2012.

I said Amtrak owns it.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Feb 13 15:29:11 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 19:51:25 2012.

You're right, that's part of why I'm here and these discussions exist. For all of us to learn.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Feb 13 15:30:08 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 16:44:57 2012.

Which tunnel? I'm saying turn the back up the Hudson line

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Feb 16 22:26:33 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012.

I think we should start by third rail electrifying the West Side line and run the electrics before anything diesel. They would serve JFK Airtrain, Mets games, beaches, etc...

You don't want to deal with the DMs (yet).

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 22:30:31 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012.

Let's just skip the next post you're gonna make: yes, I know that these are separate RRs. That's not a valid excuse

Oh, of course not. It's a valid reason.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 22:30:36 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Feb 16 22:26:33 2012.

I think we should start by third rail electrifying the West Side line

??? Just what would that be compatible with?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Feb 17 00:01:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 08:19:36 2012.

untill fall of 1987 part of the New Haven was still powered by Cos Cob a 25 hz facility

You know, I've always wondered if the rumoured problems at that power plant and the poor state of the New Haven catenary scared MNRR out of electrifying the Upper Haarlem with catenary...

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 00:06:14 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 16 22:30:36 2012.

There are plans to replace all third rail shoes on the M7A to over-under dual capable ones as installed on the latest batch of M8. Add LIRR cab signaling to those. On the LIRR side, they just need to get those shoes to the M7.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 00:14:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 00:06:14 2012.

There are plans to replace all third rail shoes on the M7A to over-under dual capable ones as installed on the latest batch of M8

What plans?

Why bother with technology that won't work (again)?

For all the money they want to spend on ephemeral "plans", they may as well junk third rail and convert everything to overhead wires, yes?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 00:15:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Feb 17 00:01:59 2012.

How about no?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:10:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 00:14:54 2012.

Overhead wires won't work in 63Rd St. tunnel to LIRR GCT.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 11:13:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 00:14:54 2012.

??? Been living under a rock or what?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 11:15:05 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:10:43 2012.

Won't work in MNR Park Ave. tunnels to GCT and LIRR Atlantic Terminal either.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:24:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 11:15:05 2012.

More reason for third rail.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 14:55:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:24:27 2012.

Although I think NYP - Albany should someday become overhead electrified.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 15:24:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 14:55:43 2012.

Not enough service to justify that. Only justification would be if all of Metro-North gets third rail replaced with overhead.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 15:25:51 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:10:43 2012.

Well, didn't they waste our money building that or what? Should have built a station to link the Atlantic Branch with NJT's Hoboken Division instead.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 15:27:00 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Feb 17 11:13:12 2012.

Go ahead; what plans? You would have shown a link instead of (or along with) that "living under a rock" comment. And even with the multiple links for Metro-North to NYP, I don't believe a single one; it's not going to happen.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 17 16:56:31 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 17 11:10:43 2012.

The roof-top air chutes on the M7A will not clear the 63rd Street tunnel when it opens. There is no such thing as a universal MU car of any sort.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 16:58:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 17 16:56:31 2012.

proff?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 17 17:00:05 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 16:58:04 2012.

The tunnels will not clear anything except a flat roof of an M -1 to M-7.
Stop being so disagreeable.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 17:04:07 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Fri Feb 17 17:00:05 2012.

Asking for proff isn't being disagreeable. Not providing it is.

I've never seen the dimensions of the lower level of the 63rd Street Tunnel anyhow. Anyone got a drawing?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 17 18:12:07 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 15:24:15 2012.

Not enough service to justify that.
Amtrak wise, it's about the same as the Keystone Corridor... and, this would allow the M8s to run in place of the diesel sets on the Poughkeepsie runs, which would allow for trains longer than 7 cars (and there's not enough cars for all Bombardier sets to have this many cars), and thus alleviate some crowding on the full length runs. Most importantly it would add flexibility for Metro-North.

And the tracks north of Poughkeepsie would be relatively easy to upgrade to 125MPH speeds, so the AEM-7s can be used to their full potential.

The complaints will be that the overhead gantries will block the view of the Hudson (Metro North went through some effort to clear the view of utility poles / abandoned RR buildings), but they don't need to be n shaped, they could be T shaped.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by merrick1 on Fri Feb 17 19:58:03 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 00:14:54 2012.

So, because under-running/over-running shoes didn't work out 50 years ago they won't work today. Technology has improved. I carry a computer around in my pocket that would have taken up a whole room 50 years ago.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 17 21:08:07 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Feb 17 18:12:07 2012.

Wow, that's all pipe-dream stuff.

Amtrak wise, it's about the same as the Keystone Corridor

No, it's a lot less frequent.

and, this would allow the M8s to run in place of the diesel sets on the Poughkeepsie runs

You're joking, right? First of all, what M8s; second, you've got the low platforms at Manitou and Poughkeepsie (the latter not in revenue service but could be used as a reserve); third, you're implying that you'll still have duplicate third-rail infrastructure up to Croton-Harmon for the M3As and M7As, which is absurd and a real waste of dough.

And the tracks north of Poughkeepsie would be relatively easy to upgrade to 125MPH speeds, so the AEM-7s can be used to their full potential

Eh? Amtrak's ready to retire the AEM-7s in favor of the ACS-64s, for one; for another, no railroad outside the NEC has ever seen Class 7 tracks (no, not even the Keystone Corridor) and the current plans according to the FRA are for no faster than 110 mph (Class 6) . . . and for still another, unless you double the number of trains to Albany and beyond, it's still not nearly enough to justify all this electrification and re-electrification. The only thing that would justify it at all is, on top of increasing the NYP-ALB service, total changeover by Metro-North from third rail to overhead.

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