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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:25:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:22:40 2012.

Hmm four tracks on Empire Connector ?? what you smoking dude ??


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:25:46 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:21:06 2012.

the 63rd Street tunnel was already there, and it had to be used, did it not?

Not for LIRR it didn't.

this is the problem with a democracy: The majority wags the dog regardless of what is best

The decision to build ESA was not made democratically.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 10 21:26:53 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:25:06 2012.

Coal ... but he's alright. :)

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:27:36 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:20:39 2012.

The LION wasn't kidding. He asked for a response that did not include the standard "It's just impossible". All I said is that I thought of it and discarded it for a different reason.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:27:50 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:06:26 2012.

- Train Arrives cab first at NYP: *maybe* that line could have more third rail installed to eliminate major gaps. [not likely given what they have to cross]

Amtrak manages to get their DMs across those same gaps. Push-pull is what prevents using one loco.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 10 21:27:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:25:46 2012.

Uh yeah, it did. One level is subway, other is LIRR. That's what it was funded for.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:29:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:25:06 2012.

Let us go down there and count them.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:30:47 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:27:36 2012.

Not even the PRR sent MP54s up that way. They could have, if they wanted to.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:31:32 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:29:41 2012.

been there done that, your figure is 100% more than what is there..


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:31:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:27:50 2012.

The problem is NOT with the locomotive: It is with the Cab Car.

AMTK runs that train LOCOMOTIVE FIRST in both directions. The Engineer can see where the gaps are and can coast across them.

From the Cab Car, he cannot see where the gaps are in relation to his locomotive, and he runs the risk of stopping the locomotive on one of those gaps.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:32:48 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:12:54 2012.

Um, no. If you're thinking ACES, that wasn't very practical.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:35:42 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:31:32 2012.

So there *are* two tracks, and AMTK uses only ONE track. IIRC they did not upgrade the other track. Beyond that LION believes there is ROOM for at least one more track and maybe more depending on the particular location. Much of that line runs so close to the surface that it is a simple matter of breaking down a stone wall, installing a new track, and erecting a new wall. Only the park looses a little space (NIMBYS notwithstanding)

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:37:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:35:42 2012.

It's not happening. Get it out of your mind.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:38:47 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:35:42 2012.

Amtrak uses both tracks abnd both were build at same time. The West side never had more than two tracks and there is no physical room for other track


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:45:59 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:58:35 2012.

If the goal is to get MNCR into Penn Station or thereabouts,which is cheaper: cutting whole new terminals out of bedrock,or buying some extra locomotives of a known design?

Neither,since neither will get any Metro-North trains into NYP.

Burrowing in bedrock is exactly what LIRR is doing to get trains into GCT, and essentially what ARC would've done with NJT.

And frankly,if there were room,if it turns out that the ALP-45DPs work OK,it'd be a better thing to use those, since there wouldn't be any issues vis--vis push-pull operation (the wires don't have any gaps). This is from the Hudson Line,of course.

So instead of buying a cheaper 3rd rail DM, they should buy the more expensive DP? How many of these things you wanna buy? At this expense, you might as well look into electrifying the west side line and operating EMUs.

The only real practical way to do it from the New Haven side is to use ALP-44s with Shoreliners.

Maybe, if they jointly operate it with NJT. Is NJT even using its ALP-44s anymore? If not... M8's, c'mon down!!

And the long run. GCT still has 67 tracks for Metro-North. NYP has 21 tracks and is only eight blocks further south. There's no need for Metro-North to throw a wrench into the system.

Everytime you regurgitate this, i'm going to point out the folly of your argument: while GCT is a massive terminal, the Park Ave viaduct doesn't have much additional room for more trains. Therefore, the best way to add service is to use the existing, under-utilized tracks that lead to NYP.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Feb 10 21:50:05 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:22:40 2012.

Actually, when I went to the park that runs along side the Amtrak line in upper Manhattan, there's only two tracks and Amtrak uses both of them.

Not to mention around the 125th Street Area, the Empire line runs on this EL like structure where it would be a PITA to add another track.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:57:50 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:17:23 2012.

All the commuter RRs in NY operate reverse peak service. If you took a MNRR reverse peak run and coupled it with an NJT peak run... voila!

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:58:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:30:47 2012.

No, that was not PRR track, that was, IIRC, New Haven Track.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:58:53 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:32:48 2012.

No, I was thinking more of the Jackshafts.

Roar

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 22:00:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:31:59 2012.

Yes, I understand that.

The VERY SIMPLE answer as to how to solve the problem is already answered by AMTRAK.

A slightly more complex way? Ask the London Underground.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 22:10:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:58:12 2012.

They were part of the Pennsylvania Group. That's part of the reason why the NH ran into two NY stations.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 22:14:48 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 22:00:27 2012.

They can run the East side service from the New Haven line with either M-6 or M-8 equipment. Remember, there used to be local service on that line many years ago! They stopped at Bartow, Westchester Ave., etc. before going over the Hell Gate Bridge into NYP.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 23:04:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 22:14:48 2012.

They can run the East side service from the New Haven line with either M-6 or M-8 equipment

Wrong.

Remember, there used to be local service on that line many years ago! They stopped at Bartow, Westchester Ave., etc. before going over the Hell Gate Bridge into NYP

Who are "they"?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 23:15:19 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 23:04:45 2012.

The New Haven RR ran local service into Penn Station for many years.
The M-6 and M-8 are capable of running on either 11,000 or 25,000 volts AC. The M-2 and M-4 are not.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 07:33:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012.

This is where the rubber hits the road with the "thru-running" silliness. Everyone wants to arrive Manhattan between 730am and 9am, so if a Port Jeff train runs on to Poughkeepsie, it won't come back until Noon. It is of no use to at that point as there is not a slot issue off-peak. Ditto for the opposite direction. The Port Jeff trains are shuttles off-peak anyway. Nobody on the LIRR wants to replace M-7's with DM's.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 07:34:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:57:50 2012.

So what ? You haven't solved any problems and you have caused massive pedestrain chaos on the stairs and platforms. Even that Sunday Giants trains sits around for 20 minutes.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 07:39:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 23:15:19 2012.

There is an issue of cycles, not just voltage. M-8s transformers can't handle 25 cycles. There are only about 36 M-6's anyway.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 07:41:14 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 10 21:27:55 2012.

The people voted for the 1967 Bond Issue. Yes, that was democracy.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 07:44:38 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 23:15:19 2012.

Only the M8 can run on 25kv 60Hz sections.

M2 cannot run on 11kv 25Hz sections anymore, only on 12.5kv 60Hz like the M4/6 (and third rail). They didn't get 25Hz capable transformers when the old ones were replaced.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 07:52:31 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:38:47 2012.

The tunnel under Riverside Park is four-track wide. I think the Lion is thinking of that section. And that same section only had one track when the Empire connection opened in 1991. The second track was added sometime between 1994-98.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 07:55:39 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 23:15:19 2012.

you got it backwards the M2 and M4 use to beable to run on 12.5 Kv 25 Hz but can no longer do so.
the M-6 and M-8 were build without the heavy 25 cycle transformer


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 07:57:11 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 07:44:38 2012.

wrong wrong wrong the M-8 and M-6 were both build without the capability to run on 25 hz.
The M2 and M-4 could run on 25 Hz but are no longer capable.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 08:12:15 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 07:57:11 2012.

You need three wrongs when the only part that I was supposedly wrong was that the M4 could run on 25Hz? And was I even wrong about that? The M4 ever run on 25Hz?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 08:19:36 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 08:12:15 2012.

yes they did, untill fall of 1987 part of the New Haven was still powered by Cos Cob a 25 hz facility.
also the M2 and 4 did not have transformer replacements but the upgrades on several other electronics nullified the chance of 25 Hz operation. including the removal of Motor Alternator and placement of the power inverter.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Feb 11 08:32:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 08:19:36 2012.

OK. Thanks.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 11 11:43:19 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 22:10:20 2012.

NH went to NYP only for the purpose of continuing service to Washington, the train was taken over by PRR or rather the through cars were added to a PRR train. It was a joint service, but did PRR ever run any service up there? I do not think so.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 11:48:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 21:57:50 2012.

Not gone happen, Albany and Trenton would seriously object to having their state funded trains go out of state all time.
And who would service the equipment, a train traveling from Trenton to New Haven would have more trash than average AWD truck.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 14:14:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 10 23:15:19 2012.

The New Haven RR ran local service into Penn Station for many years

You sure about "local service"?

he M-6 and M-8 are capable of running on either 11,000 or 25,000 volts AC

. . . but they can't switch between 25 Hz and 60 Hz.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 11 14:15:20 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:48:35 2012.

Haha.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 14:34:42 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 11:48:41 2012.

Not gone happen,Albany and Trenton would seriously object to having their state funded trains go out of state all time.

Yeah. Kinda like how Albany refuses to let MNRR operate into Connecticut. Oh...

And who would service the equipment,a train traveling from Trenton to New Haven would have more trash than average AWD truck.

Who said these runs would travel the full length of the line? And even if they did, so what? Figuring out the logistics of who maintains what equipment isn't that difficult. Its a matter of having rational adults sit in a room and come to an agreement. Somehow, you and others seem to believe that while sending humans into outer space is possible, this simple concept is not.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 14:42:33 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 07:34:40 2012.

1. I solved the problem of slots at NYP, and added more MNRR service into NYC at the same time.

2. How would pedestrian issues be any different than they are now? A train would discharge its peak passengers, pickup the off-peak riders headed in the opposite direction, and leave. I'm not talking about a 'Giants special'. I'm talking about a jointly operated through service where trains wouldn't stop any longer than trains at a station like Jamaica. Everyone always points out NYP is not a terminal, maybe they should stop operating it like one.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 14:55:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 14:34:42 2012.

Connecticut is operated under contract, Connecticut owns their share of lines equipment or about 66% plus 100 % of all branchline equipment.
Difference with Meadowlands train is it brings people to NJ to spend money there.
Commuter trains and operation cost money
again stop living in fantasy world, start living reality.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 15:18:34 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Feb 11 14:55:12 2012.

This would be operated under contract too, kinda like MNRR already contracts west of hudson service. There are a number of different ways this could be operated jointly.

You're the one who is saying that an interstate commuter operation is impossible, and i'm the one in a fantasy world? Lol.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:00:02 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 11 11:43:19 2012.

No PRR service, but PRR equipment got all over New England and to Montreal nonetheless.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:04:30 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 14:42:33 2012.

You brought in reverse peak service and thru-run it. Who cares.

Not stopping any longer than 3 minutes is a ridiculous fantasy. It can take 5 - 10 minutes to empty out a train and clear the platform, then marry the schedules of 2 different railroads with delays on one magnified onto the other, which they will never accept. You cannot run these railroads thru like it is a subway.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:07:12 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 15:18:34 2012.

The entire west of Hudson service is run by NJT. The only MNRR presence is accountants in 347 Madison. The "thru-running" concept does not exist. Trainloads do not turnover at Suffern, it is simply a way station across the state line.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 16:31:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:04:30 2012.

The benefit is not running a reverse peak train through. I already stated as much.

Why would you need to empty out a through running train? A train coming from the NH would be scheduled so that it starts at a point in the east at a time where it would arrive at NYP at the same time a reverse peak train would platform currently. Passengers who want to disembark would get off. Passengers headed to NJ would get on. Yes, there's going to be some dwell time, but so what? Railroads have situations like that all the time. LIRR currently has trains through Jamaica that have high turnover. You build that into the schedule. It IS possible. It has been done before.

The principle argument against through running MNRR/NJT seems to be that two governmental agencies are incapable of the kind of cooperation that occurs ALL the time between two freight RRs, or freight RRs and Amtrak all the time.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Sat Feb 11 16:32:14 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Sat Feb 11 16:07:12 2012.

Ok, so apply that same concept!

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:37:27 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:25:03 2012.

Turn them back after dropping at NYP

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Feb 11 16:38:05 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:25:03 2012.

And honestly, the Amtrak excuse is so pathetic. They could easily share the line

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