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NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012

Senator Kemp Hannon (R-Nassau) joins his Long Island Senate colleagues in urging the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) to reject a proposal which could reduce Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) service into Penn Station.

In a letter to MTA Chairman Joseph Lhota, Hannon and his Senate colleagues noted the MTA is currently considering a proposal to allow Metro-North Railroad to operate trains into Penn Station using the existing tracks currently shared by the LIRR, Amtrak and NJ Transit. Recent media reports stated Metro-North plans on building six new stations as part of its new access plan, yet there has been no information released on how this plan will be financed nor whether an environmental impact study has been conducted.

“To make room for the new Metro-North Trains, the LIRR could be forced to cut the number of trains it runs into Penn Station,” said Hannon. “The LIRR is already sharing ingress into Penn Station, and any reduction of service could have a devastating impact on commuters and other travelers. With only seven of Penn Station’s existing 21 tracks being allotted to the LIRR, any reductions would seriously impair LIRR operations and affect all LIRR riders.”

In order to ease LIRR congestion into Penn Station, the East Side Access Project is underway, which will bring LIRR trains into Grand Central Station. That project is far from complete, however, and congestion at Penn Station is a major concern. Even when the East Side Access Project is finally finished, the LIRR will still need to operate at Penn Station to meet a project significant increase in ridership over the next several years.

“I appreciate and support the MTA’s desire to expand services,” said Hannon. “But not at the expense of the LIRR’s ability to operate into Penn Station now and into the future. This proposal could have the effect of actually putting more riders into their cars on already over-congested roads, something we are trying to avoid at all costs.
--- http://www.newsli.com/2012/02/08/ny-senate-urges-mta-to-reject-proposal/

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by PATHman on Wed Feb 8 23:34:29 2012, in response to NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012.

Figures a Republican would say something stupid like this. Once ESA opens, the vast majority of LIRR commuters will opt for Grand Central since that's much closer to the Manhattan CBD.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Feb 9 00:21:23 2012, in response to NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012.

OH shut up you selfish bastards...the MNRR should be able to operate a few trains out of Penn station.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 10:46:04 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by PATHman on Wed Feb 8 23:34:29 2012.

Not Likely. There will not be all that much service there: There are no yards, and all trains to go out must first be brought in, thus both tracks cannot be used at the same time for egress.

LIRR builded a gnu terminal, MNCR can dew likewise if they wants to.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Thu Feb 9 13:45:18 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 10:46:04 2012.

There will not be all that much [LIRR service at GCT]:

Yeah, only about 20 trains per hour.

LIRR builded a gnu terminal,MNCR can dew likewise if they wants to.

LIRR didn't build anything. A decision was made to pursue this project by the MTA. Money from numerous sources was used to fund a project designed by outside consultants, being built by contractors, while being managed by MTACC. That money COULD have been used to build a new terminal for MNRR if MTA decided that were prudent. It's not like LIRR went and did the legwork for the whole thing, or even had the final say as to whether or not they could even start it.

Why do you continually refuse to accept that the LIRR is no longer an independent entity, but rather a part of a larger agency that is looking to provide the best possible service for ALL of its customers. If that means that LIRR, which is about to gain 20 new slots per hour, has to give u 4-5 slots per hour at NYP, so be it.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Thu Feb 9 13:45:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 10:46:04 2012.

There will not be all that much [LIRR service at GCT]:

Yeah, only about 20 trains per hour.

LIRR builded a gnu terminal,MNCR can dew likewise if they wants to.

LIRR didn't build anything. A decision was made to pursue this project by the MTA. Money from numerous sources was used to fund a project designed by outside consultants, being built by contractors, while being managed by MTACC. That money COULD have been used to build a new terminal for MNRR if MTA decided that were prudent. It's not like LIRR went and did the legwork for the whole thing, or even had the final say as to whether or not they could even start it.

Why do you continually refuse to accept that the LIRR is no longer an independent entity, but rather a part of a larger agency that is looking to provide the best possible service for ALL of its customers. If that means that LIRR, which is about to gain 20 new slots per hour, has to give u 4-5 slots per hour at NYP, so be it.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:48:35 2012, in response to NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012.

Check that list again. LI Dems are also calling for the same idiotic thing.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:50:39 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Edwards! on Thu Feb 9 00:21:23 2012.

When ESA opens, there will be (according to the experts) a 33 percent increase in the number of peak trains going directly to New York City, even with the necessary cuts required to shoehorn in the Metro North trains from Connecticut (the plan for service via the Hudson line is stupid, wasteful and a non starter).

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Re: LI Senators Urge MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by znufrii on Thu Feb 9 14:12:41 2012, in response to NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012.

Misleading headline.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 9 17:35:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by PATHman on Wed Feb 8 23:34:29 2012.

I think it'll be 50/50. Wall Streeters would prefer NYPS. Also depends on what they do with Brooklyn service.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 9 17:57:32 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 10:46:04 2012.

LIRR did not build a new terminal. I don't see why MNR should be forced to.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by kp5308 on Thu Feb 9 18:00:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:48:35 2012.

Stop it. Don't you understand we got Republican bashing to do!

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 9 18:07:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:50:39 2012.

The Hudson Line would be good for service to Rockland if they make the connection with the new Tappan Zee Br

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 18:11:45 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 9 17:57:32 2012.

You hyperbole detector has crashed. If more tracks are needed, and they are, then they need to be built. Any construction is a NY State Capital project.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 18:12:30 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by kp5308 on Thu Feb 9 18:00:55 2012.

Elect the Republicans and BASH the Demoncraps!

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 9 18:29:09 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 18:12:30 2012.

Nazi.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 18:34:53 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Feb 9 18:29:09 2012.

No, Obama is the Nazi, and quickly morphing into Joseph Stalin.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Thu Feb 9 21:42:37 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:50:39 2012.

There is some merit to using the West Side line for Hudson service to NYP. You could send all the diesels on the line to NYP to free up space into GCT. Again, the Park Ave viaduct is just about maxed out, and if you could schedule the reverse peak trips out of Penn, that would go a long way towards increasing capacity on Park Ave.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 10 00:51:25 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 9 13:50:39 2012.

Why is it stupid? I could see a stop at 125th St for the colleges and the reverse commuters (not sure how many people reverse commuting on he Hudson line though) and another at say 57th St for the businesses there and Lincoln Center

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 10 00:51:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 18:34:53 2012.

At least our trains will be on time

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 10 00:52:24 2012, in response to NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Feb 8 23:17:04 2012.

Once ESA is complete, I could see supporting this. Until then though, definitely not

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 05:54:41 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Feb 9 21:42:37 2012.

and were would all those diesel trains be stored ???
And what about Amtrak requirement that all Push pull trains powered by third rail must have a Dual mode at each end of train ??
Your fantasizing again kid .


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 10 05:58:52 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 05:54:41 2012.

Aw c'mon ... fill up a flat behind the loco with car batteries, and all's well. :)

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 07:41:09 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 05:54:41 2012.

Sitting here, kicking ideas around my head, I can come up with a number of potential solutions to that problem. Of course, to you, the way it is is the way it is, and you can't change it.

It's possible to spend BILLIONS to build a new terminal, but try to add a few DMs to an existing station, and apparently no amount of money can make THAT work! Lol.

"You stuck in the past again old man"

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 12:12:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 05:54:41 2012.

and were would all those diesel trains be stored ???

There's no more former yard space out by Sunnyside that can be reused?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 14:02:37 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 12:12:06 2012.

nope Sunnyside is at max and old freight yard will be for ESA trains.
And again were would MNCR get all those dual modes (two per train)


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 16:59:03 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 14:02:37 2012.

And again were would MNCR get all those dual modes (two per train)

They can't just order another batch of locomotives from GE? It would cost that much extra?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 17:47:10 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 16:59:03 2012.

no longer in production and even if they were, 6 million a unit as minimum.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 14:02:37 2012.

Ways to solve this non-issue:

1. Since this service would be using LIRR slots, it should theoretically free up a slot in an east river tunnel. Use that slot to run the train in 'pull-mode', to sunnyside, run it around the loop track and then back to NYP.

2. If LIRR riders are THAT concerned with loosing their NYP slots, combine DM runs. DMs from Speonk or other eastern diesel terminals would operate into NYP, and then continue onto the west side. Trains from the Hudson line would do the reverse. BTW, this also ends LIRR's need to double end their DMs. (Gasp!) This could also be done with NJT to accommodate the New Haven Branch without needing extra NYP slots.

Let's just skip the next post you're gonna make: yes, I know that these are separate RRs. That's not a valid excuse. If the will exists, then the powers that be will make it happen. It's laughable to me that we have the ability to tunnel underneath rivers, build caverns underneath existing RR terminals, or develop never before made DM locos that run on catenary, but changing rules that only exist down on paper is "IMPOSSIBLE!" A pathetic society we've become.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 18:59:55 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012.

and how would you turn the train again in Poughkeepsie ??

How would a single unit DM train to west side to get turned so It can head east again ??



Not only sperate railroads but Labor contracts would dictate for MNCR to establish a cleaning force and a Mechanical force in NYP as LIRR forces could not service MNCR equipment.
Your non-issues are major issues for both LIRR and MNCR.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 19:29:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 18:59:55 2012.

how would you turn the train again in Poughkeepsie ??

You build a loop track.

Not only sperate railroads but Labor contracts would dictate for MNCR to establish a cleaning force and a Mechanical force in NYP as LIRR forces could not service MNCR equipment. Your non-issuesare major issues for both LIRR and MNCR

Did you even bother reading the rest of the post I made?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by blue8irt on Fri Feb 10 19:31:56 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Thu Feb 9 21:42:37 2012.

Penn Station should be melted and re-built.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:20:22 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 16:59:03 2012.

They can't just order another batch of locomotives from GE?

You must think that all these government agencies have unlimited funds, do you?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:20:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by PATHman on Wed Feb 8 23:34:29 2012.

You are truly full of it, aintcha? Go away, troll.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:21:42 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 9 10:46:04 2012.

Metro-North inherited a terminal suitable for baluchitheria, what are you talking about.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:23:19 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 9 17:35:06 2012.

Wall Streeters would prefer NYPS

Wall Streeters would prefer a terminal that's further downtown. The waterfront terminals used to get all the Wall Street commuters; if the out-of-touch MTA overlords had gotten together with NJT and built a downtown station (instead of ESA), then that would have solved quite a few of their "conundrums".

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:24:08 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by blue8irt on Fri Feb 10 19:31:56 2012.

Melted, you mean like your brain?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:25:03 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 10 00:51:25 2012.

. . . and nowhere for those trains to go to. Never mind their slowing down the Amtrak trains that already use the old West Side freight line.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:25:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Feb 10 00:51:54 2012.

What trains?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 20:30:00 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:20:22 2012.

If the goal is to get MNCR into Penn Station or thereabouts, which is cheaper: cutting whole new terminals out of bedrock, or buying some extra locomotives of a known design? That's not including the yard tracks, which have to be provided one way or the other, unless you want all the trains to deadhead back to the suburbs or something. Of course, you could do absolutely nothing and it would cost you nothing (in the short run), but that's a given, isn't it?


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 20:32:43 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by blue8irt on Fri Feb 10 19:31:56 2012.

Ewww, melted with the beer, pizza, hot dogs, and pastries in it? That's a structural defect right there! 8-)


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:58:35 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 20:30:00 2012.

If the goal is to get MNCR into Penn Station or thereabouts, which is cheaper: cutting whole new terminals out of bedrock, or buying some extra locomotives of a known design?

Neither, since neither will get any Metro-North trains into NYP.

And frankly, if there were room, if it turns out that the ALP-45DPs work OK, it'd be a better thing to use those, since there wouldn't be any issues vis-à-vis push-pull operation (the wires don't have any gaps). This is from the Hudson Line, of course. The only real practical way to do it from the New Haven side is to use ALP-44s with Shoreliners.

Of course, you could do absolutely nothing and it would cost you nothing (in the short run), but that's a given, isn't it?

And the long run. GCT still has 67 tracks for Metro-North. NYP has 21 tracks and is only eight blocks further south. There's no need for Metro-North to throw a wrench into the system.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:06:26 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by 3-9 on Fri Feb 10 20:30:00 2012.

Assuming that AMTK/NJT would cede space to these trains, then there *are* some possibilities.

-- DM Locomotives are at the NORTH end of the train.
-- DM locomotives would have LIRR / Retractable shoes.
-- Train Arrives cab first at NYP: *maybe* that line could have more third rail installed to eliminate major gaps. [not likely given what they have to cross]
-- Perhaps a SINGLE pilot locomotive can be acquired and attached to inbound trains, and then detached to await the next train on the way out. The pilot locomotive could be a toaster with an overhead pick up.
-- Does not need space at Sunnyside, there is miles of space in the west-side tunnel. Pull a train in, discharge it and pull it back out again immediately to free both the track and the pilot locomotive.

xx Beyond this, it is too complicated for too little return. Remember West Side trains cannot access LIRR tracks, but only AMTK/NJT tracks.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:12:54 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:06:26 2012.

PS... if a pilot locomotive were used, MNCR would not need to use a DM locomotive, a straight diesel would do just fine.

The train stops just outside of the station and the Toaster connects to the train. The diesel cuts the prime mover. The Toaster pulls the train into the station.

To leave, the engineer is in the cab of the diesel, but is MU'd to the Toaster. The toaster pushes him out of the station under the control of the lead locomotive, and then the consist stops for a moment to cut off the toaster and start the diesel. The train leaves, the toaster awaits the next incoming consist.

After all there is no way MNCR can glom onto more than one track, and even that would be at the price of giving NJT (or AMTK) an LIRR track in exchange.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Feb 10 21:15:46 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:12:54 2012.

Don't forget everytime you add or remove a locomotive a full brake test is required plus a blue light and protection just to hook up air and electiral stuff.


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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:17:23 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by J trainloco on Fri Feb 10 18:29:18 2012.

It is not impossible, and the LION thought of just this with regard of NJT serving local stations in the East Bronx.

Problem: All trains want to be in-bound in the morning and out-bound in the PM, and that is not where NJT wants to use their trains.

I suppose if New York would buy the extra equipment, NJT would be happy to run it for them as they do west of Hudson.

ROAR

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:20:39 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:17:23 2012.

and the LION thought of just this with regard of NJT serving local stations in the East Bronx

Who are you trying to kid?

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:21:06 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:23:19 2012.

True, the the 63rd Street tunnel was already there, and it had to be used, did it not?

Yes, it could have been used by the Subway with a whole lot less trouble, but this is the problem with a democracy: The majority wags the dog regardless of what is best.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:22:40 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 20:25:03 2012.

AMTK uses ONE TRACK, there are (IIRC) FOUR tracks in there. Plenty of space to play around with things.

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Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 10 21:24:57 2012, in response to Re: NY Senate Urges MTA To Reject Proposal To cut LIRR service into Penn Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Feb 10 21:22:40 2012.

Four tracks where?

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