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Posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010 I was amused at the photo at the top of the article, which seems to highlight the gaps that exist on a stairway.I know there is a gap extenders at the Times Square shuttle platform, but where else? As a fix to the problem that was experienced last Friday, could the TA install an emergency pressure release valve adjacent to the individual gap extenders that would allow for quick release for anyone trapped? Union Square Gap Extenders |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Dec 15 08:07:02 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. Towards the south end of the train there is space between the train and the platform and there are no gap fillers.I don't think the report makes a difference of a customer falling at the gap filler or just between the train and the platform. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 15 08:54:23 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. 'As a fix to the problem that was experienced last Friday, could the TA install an emergency pressure release valve adjacent to the individual gap extenders that would allow for quick release for anyone trapped?'sure! then there would be complaints of people activating the device when there is no reason to do so............. |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 08:57:38 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by monorail on Wed Dec 15 08:54:23 2010. There might be complaints, but there are still emergency brake valves for passenger use on subway cars, even though there was a time when they were seriously abused.I think having an emergency release valve for the extenders is absolutely necessary. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 15 09:06:34 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. It amazing how the Daily News is always so wise after the event. If they would focus public attention on a problem before it becomes critical they might actually do some good.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 15 10:30:45 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Dec 15 09:06:34 2010. It amazing how the Daily News is always so wise after the event.Apparently, they were wiser than the TA. The TA had evidence of a problem by virtue that Union Square had twice the number of passenger accidents than the next closest station. One would have hoped they realized this and had taken actions to rectify the situation. If they would focus public attention on a problem before it becomes critical they might actually do some good. The official response would have been that the situation existed for umpteen years without serious incident. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 11:28:41 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. I think having an emergency release valve for the extenders is absolutely necessary.They HAD emergency releases. Actually, they had emergency releasers. They were C/Rs that were Gap Filler Operators! Wouldn't it be nice if MTA rehired some laid off S/As to re-man the Gap Fillers? Also adds eyes and ears to the platform. Just some more $.02. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Dec 15 11:31:16 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. "He suffered a broken pelvis, crushed intestines and other injuries, friends who visited him at Bellevue Hospital said."Ouch, will he ever survive with that numerous injuries? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Dec 15 11:33:51 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 11:28:41 2010. Yep Platform C/R's are few and far between these days... |
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Posted by IRT/O on Wed Dec 15 11:40:39 2010, in response to Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 06:11:41 2010. I was thinking about a release valve or like the TSQ shuttle the T/O can retract the GF; but there is a problem in that if you release the GF to free a trapped person they might fall onto a shoe and be electricuted. Also, people holding the trapped person might be electricuted. The NYCT needs a procedure for this. You must shut off 3rd rail power before releasing the GF. I don't know if GF's power and the 3rd rail are connected. |
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Posted by MattW on Wed Dec 15 12:27:36 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 11:28:41 2010. Yea but after a few months the Daily Rag would run a story about lazy conductors standing around at 14th St all day with their only job is to control the gap fillers. |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 13:22:53 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 11:28:41 2010. Did one Gap Filler Operator control all the extenders on one platform? And was it a moving platform that was moved by pulling on a big lever or did the conductor just press a button?As far as an emergency release button in the current system, a relatively tamper proof method would be to put a release button at the motorman's position for the local track. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 13:46:26 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 13:22:53 2010. The Gap Filler pulled on a big lever to extend and retract the gap fillers. He sat behind a couple of horizontal poles, in a little "pocket" on a stool.I'm sure if interested, management could okay the "alteration" of an unmanned booth to pare it down to fit the old position and make it operable with buttons. Tamper proof on local tracks, but what about express tracks? And as has been stated, I wouldn't open the gap filler without first seeing what the problem was, because I wouldn't want anyone to drop onto the trucks third rail shoe. "I'll save you!" ZZZZAAAPPPPPP!!!! "Ooopsie!" |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 14:11:13 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 13:46:26 2010. "And as has been stated, I wouldn't open the gap filler without first seeing what the problem was, because I wouldn't want anyone to drop onto the trucks third rail shoe. "I'll save you!" ZZZZAAAPPPPPP!!!! "Ooopsie!" "Of course not. Before the Gap Operator retracted the platform, he would have to yell out in a clear masculine/deep voice "All those not pinned between the platform and the gap filler must get off, so that we can rescue the man/woman who is being crushed to death!!!" |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Dec 15 14:11:45 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 11:28:41 2010. Did South Ferry's gap fillers (the station, not our poster :) work the same way (before they were rehabbed)?--Mark |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Dec 15 15:30:49 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Dec 15 13:46:26 2010. Only the gap fillers at T/Sq Shuttle were operated by a large manual lever. The gap fillers at both 14 St and Bkln Br were controlled by a device that was almost identical to the master controllers on the BMT el cars. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 15 18:30:17 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Randyo on Wed Dec 15 15:30:49 2010. Thanks Randy, that was my (not from personal first-handmemories) recollection too. What about the gap fillers at South Ferry? When was the platform control eliminated at 14 St? Seems to me the signal equipment was from the 1960s. |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 15 18:31:49 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by IRT/O on Wed Dec 15 11:40:39 2010. The gap fillers are pneumatic, and the control magnet valve isnominally 14 volts, DC. |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Dec 15 18:51:14 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by heypaul on Wed Dec 15 14:11:13 2010. How about capacity sensors, like on new elevators. Anthing inside the space between the filler and the train, stops that individual gap filler. The conductor can not open until all gap fillers are closed, so if one is obstructed, no doors are openned. A flashing light on one of the poles near the gap filler will show which gap filler did not open fully. The conductor than can open the other half of the train and investigate. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:00:28 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by monorail on Wed Dec 15 08:54:23 2010. This cannot be. After an injury of this sort it is the REMOVAL of pressure that will kill the victim.
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:01:14 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Dec 15 10:30:45 2010. The only possible solution is to close the station.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 16 00:21:39 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:01:14 2010. Tear Down Union Square Station? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 16 00:25:49 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Jeff H. on Wed Dec 15 18:31:49 2010. Lots of NY news media reported got it wrong, do they bother to check their MTA sources? |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Dec 16 00:41:12 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:01:14 2010. "The only possible solution is to close the station."Don't think that isn't being considered seriously. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 16 01:09:54 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:01:14 2010. The only possible solution is to close the station.Many solutions will become obvious after a will to find one exists. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Dec 16 02:03:01 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 00:01:14 2010. Platform doors like europe has in some stations. Karl M |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:04:37 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 16 00:21:39 2010. No. Just close the platform, let the trains by-pass it.Nice and Safe and does not cost a small fortune.
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:05:36 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Dec 16 02:03:01 2010. NOT ON *MY* SUBWAY!
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:06:20 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 16 00:25:49 2010. Reporters are exempt from facts.
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Dec 16 16:26:15 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Dec 16 00:41:12 2010. And yet that was the prime reason for the new South Ferry station - the Gap Fillers are too dangerous. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Dec 16 19:45:49 2010, in response to Re: Daily News Article About Dangers of Platform Extenders at Union Square, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 16 11:05:36 2010. Ha,ha,ha, well then keep back from the edge of the platform 8-)Karl M |
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