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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:16:33 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Sep 16 23:49:35 2014. I hope you and others can see where Nilet is coming from though.I doubt you can see where I'm coming from. His ideas make no sense on a practical, real world level and put Israel in extreme danger. You have offered no indication you even know what my ideas are. Lots of land changes hands but it seems only when it involves Israel does Nilet get so worked up about it. Pase in coint. My actual beliefs are inconvenient for your massive persecution complex, so you simply ignore them and retreat into this fantasy world where I hate Israel. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:19:11 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 16 07:59:39 2014. No, WMATA's logic is that they're distant cousins.WMATA claimed he was descended from a mythical figure. He later tried to dial it back to sharing common ancestry with a mythical figure, but the fact remains that one can't share ancestry with someone who never existed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:22:27 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Sep 16 23:50:40 2014. I said that the notion of "right of conquest" was backwards and primitive, by comparing it to the practices of the 14th century.Gamera deliberately misinterpreted that statement as "no lands have been seized by conquest since the 14th century." So either you don't actually believe your own post, in which case you're a liar, or you do believe it, in which case you're an idiot. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:24:58 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 01:34:22 2014. If you can't understand the plain meaning of this statement, then you are an idiot.Note that if you indicate you do, in fact, understand it, I would be happy to upgrade you to "liar." And if you have trouble understanding figurative language and metaphors because you are genuinely autistic, then I will retract all prior insults because it's uncouth to mock people for their disabilities. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 17 06:07:37 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 00:12:12 2014. Liberal. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 17 06:17:35 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 00:12:12 2014. Liberal. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 10:38:00 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 23:55:10 2014. OK genuis. What kind of agreement? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 10:38:36 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 01:34:22 2014. Nothing classic about that punk. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 10:39:49 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Sep 16 23:54:06 2014. I am going to agree with you here. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 10:41:02 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 00:01:47 2014. What kind of agreement? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 10:41:52 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 01:24:27 2014. +1 |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 17 11:07:10 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Sep 16 22:39:06 2014. Ben Gurion International Airport is only 7 miles from the West Bank...any rockets launched from there could easily strike the airfield and could also shoot down arriving or departing aircraft. They pose a threat to aviation, among other dangers.There hasn't been a rocket fired from the West Bank since 2005, and it didn't make it out of the West Bank. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:23:53 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 01:19:13 2014. I've felt that way at times, but I think he is also quite dangerous, there are enough stupid people in the world who will take what he's saying at face value and I don't think we can allow that either. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:24:30 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 01:24:27 2014. The primary issue is that there won't be peace until the Arabs start wanting to live more than they want Israel to die. The amount of energy and initiative that's been wasted coming up with ways to attack Israel could have done so much good had it been focused differently...I don't disagree with this, I don't think what I wrote and you wrote are mutually exclusive. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:25:53 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:22:27 2014. I believe my own post, borders shifted after WWII, they will probably shift again when the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is resolved.You're the one playing word games. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:27:18 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:12:33 2014. You have proposed my destruction by saying you don't care if Israel is eliminated and overrun by people who wish to kill the people living there. That is problematic and crosses the line I just laid out. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:29:00 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:16:33 2014. I have determined your ideas based on your posts here. If you don't believe in what you posted, perhaps you should tell us what you truly believe and see if it isn't too late for us to change our opinion of you. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:30:43 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:19:11 2014. I still claim to be a descendant of Aaron. You can neither prove nor disprove that he was mythical, nor can I prove or disprove that he existed. Your claims to call him a mythical figure and to present that as a fact are disrespectful and rude, especially due to the evidence that does exist that suggests Aaron may have existed and was not mythical. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 11:38:50 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:30:43 2014. I can claim the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Do you then have to respect my belief because you cannot disprove said unicorn's existence? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:55:49 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 11:38:50 2014. It would probably be a good thing for me to do, but I think the evidence surrounding the historical accuracy of events described in the Bible (to the extent such evidence is available) is greater than that of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:01:43 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:55:49 2014. Like what? There is also evidence that certain events in the Bible could not possibly have occurred, as they are scientifically impossible. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 12:11:47 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:01:43 2014. The "Kohen gene" for one (I realize it is more complex than I'm making it out to be).There are certain events in the Bible which I myself doubt if they happened as described in those texts and/or have to have a certain amount of blind faith to accept them without rejecting everything else. It's how religion works for me sometimes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:20:07 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 12:11:47 2014. I've already established that it is reasonably likely that Kohanim are descended from a common ancestor. I am only claiming that there is no evidence that the Biblical character known as Aaron was that descendant or that if he was, that his story is accurately recounted by the Bible. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 12:25:33 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 17 03:19:11 2014. You just demonstrated that you have no idea how myth works. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 12:26:45 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:20:07 2014. OK, fair enough. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 12:28:52 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 21:07:34 2014. +1 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:29:32 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:20:07 2014. was that ANCESTOR. My bad. |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 12:33:30 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 5 00:11:26 2014. You're missing the fundamental point. If you make a claim, you're obliged to support it— it's called burden of proof.No, you're missing the fundamental point. Historical evidence is not scientific evidence. One cannot run the same historical experiment twice. Therefore the level of proof you are seeking is absurd. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:35:11 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 12:33:30 2014. I don't consider the Bible to be a source of historical evidence. Why is it considered a valid source of such evidence and not other mythological titles? |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:44:00 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:23:53 2014. True. That's the reason I periodically respond to some of his more egregious posts.subfan |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 12:47:54 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 17 06:17:35 2014. I'm liberal for pointing out that WMATAGMO likes to bike around Fairfax County, VA?Look at the temps. It's going to be great cycling temps. From now until November WMATAGMO can log lots of mileage in the DC/Fairfax area. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 12:48:25 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:44:00 2014. Why try? |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:49:00 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:24:30 2014. Agreed. My point is something of a corollary to yours - it's not just that others desire more peace than one side or the other, it's also that one side is more interested in ensuring that the other get nothing than that they get anything.subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:57:59 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 12:48:25 2014. I'm not trying to convince Nilet - his mind is made up, and to hell with the facts. As Oren noted on one of his responses, though, it's sometimes important to point out the facts so that others with open minds but limited factual knowledge have the basis to form a reasoned view. It's the lack of knowledge that gives rise to the skewed anti-Israel views of many current American college students.subfan |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 13:00:31 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:57:59 2014. Excellent Post! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 17 13:11:01 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:35:11 2014. The Iliad is presumably not fully true and yet Troy existed. Isn't the Bible more or less credible to the degree there is corroborating evidence from other sources? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 13:13:57 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by subfan on Wed Sep 17 12:57:59 2014. Do you think the universities have shaped Nilet's views? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 13:18:18 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 17 13:11:01 2014. But those other sources stand alone as the evidence. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 17 13:24:26 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 13:13:57 2014. Do you think the universities have shaped Nilet's views?It's possible. Say he was walking next to a university building, and a piece of façade broke off and hit him in the head... |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 13:38:54 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 12:35:11 2014. I don't consider the Bible to be a source of historical evidence.It's not a particularly reliable source, but it is a source (or more accurately, a collection of sources) nonetheless. If it represents a certain group of people as being the descendants of an individual called Aaron and they do indeed seem to be descendants of the same individual, then the chances of that individual's being called Aaron are reasonably good. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 13:41:59 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Sep 17 13:24:26 2014. It's possible. Say he was walking next to a university building, and a piece of façade broke off and hit him in the head...I don't closely follow the Israel threads, but Nilet seems to hold his own vs. many opponents here. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 13:57:57 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 13:00:31 2014. I agree. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:02:20 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 17 11:25:53 2014. How will the Israeli-arabs who live in Israel conflict be resolved? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:06:04 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by kew gardens teleport on Wed Sep 17 12:28:52 2014. +2 |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:06:45 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Sep 6 21:07:34 2014. Don't upgrade him. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:09:06 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 12:47:54 2014. You're liberal for sucking up to nilet. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 17 14:09:10 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:02:20 2014. They are Israeli citizens. A democracy would lose its legitimacy if it revoked the citizenship of citizens in good standing. And the best way for Israel to commit suicide as a nation is for it to lose its legitimacy as a democracy. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:10:31 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 17 14:09:10 2014. And you're not Jewish. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Sep 17 14:11:08 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 13:41:59 2014. Fuck you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 17 14:15:11 2014, in response to Re: Israel Invades West Bank, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 17 13:41:59 2014. Hold his own? You'd better not agree with that Nazi. |
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