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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 21 02:36:43 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 21 02:31:48 2014. But they're gonna anyway. :)I'll try to explain, but expect no results. No worries. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 21 07:18:01 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jul 21 00:25:31 2014. Not at all. You'd still be wrong. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 21 07:26:11 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 02:23:59 2014. Iawtp. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 08:15:54 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 20 19:42:02 2014. The Ten Commandments are not the "core" of the Christian religions. They are a part of the Old Covenant, the laws of Moses, and Christians are binding under the NEW Covenant. Some of which do apply the 10 Commandments fundamentals too, but not all of them. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jul 21 08:19:27 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 08:15:54 2014. Pwn3d |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 09:44:20 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 20 19:58:16 2014. ... only ten on our side, makes for fewer arguments. :)If you believe in the "Old Testament," then you still have the other 603. In reality, you guys pick and choose which parts are still relevant, like a man lying with a man as he would with a woman is still an abomination but eating shrimp isn't anymore. That one was replaced with abortion. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Jul 21 09:49:31 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 09:44:20 2014. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 10:05:21 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 21 02:31:48 2014. Turns out atheists know more about religion than anyone else except Jews and Mormons. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 10:15:48 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 20 19:42:02 2014. Secondly, honoring the Sabbath might be a different day of the week (because the seventh day is counted differently and then they screwed up the calendar) but it's supposed to be kept every bit as holy (except for retailers).That is not true. Sunday is "not" the "Sabbath", it's the "Lord's Day". Some Christian denominations still believe the Laws of Moses are fully binding, such as the Seventh Day Adventists, and they worship on Saturday. It's hard to say "Christian", as there's so many different sects, and each one has differing tenets. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 10:22:45 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 09:44:20 2014. In reality, you guys pick and choose which parts are still relevant, like a man lying with a man as he would with a woman is still an abomination but eating shrimp isn't anymore.But there's Biblical reference to changing things like eating Shrimp, not having to do Abraham circumcision, Lords day instead of Saturday Sabbath, pork, Judiasm's feast days, and so forth. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 10:47:44 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 10:22:45 2014. But there's Biblical reference to changing things like eating Shrimp, not having to do Abraham circumcision, Lords day instead of Saturday Sabbath, pork, Judiasm's feast days, and so forth.There is Biblical reference to bris chadasha in Jeremiah, which Paul quoted in his letter to the Hebrews and explained as a "new covenant" replacing the old one (presumably all 613 commandments, not just the ones pertaining to things other than marriage and reproductive rights) in Messianic times. Except the translation of chadasha isn't "new," it's "renewed," and the context of Jeremiah is that the increasingly secularized Jews will return to Torah observance. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 11:02:52 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 10:05:21 2014. not surprising.that's because atheism is a religion. and part of that religion is arming oneself with info about The Bible to use it against believers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 11:07:36 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 11:02:52 2014. FALSE!The reason atheists tend to know more about religion is that usually they were raised to become members of a religion and, knowing enough about said religion, rejected it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 11:39:48 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 11:02:52 2014. It's not a religion nor a belief. It's just wanting to be left alone by those who need to affirm their beliefs by broadcasting them or trying to include us in their group in order to validate their beliefs.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 12:33:16 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 11:39:48 2014. Well, technically, I think it is a belief, that God (or whatever almighty being) doesn't exist. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jul 21 12:36:40 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 17:18:15 2014. Not like Jews for Jesus at all.The people wearing the Star of David are still Christians, with Christian beliefs. Its just a symbol. They aren't adhering to any Jewish beliefs. Jews for Jesus maintains that one can be Jewish but adhere to Christian beliefs. That is clearly impossible because several of the core Christian beliefs are unacceptable to Judaism. Its like trying to describe a square circle. Much different than simply wearing a symbol. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 12:47:09 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 12:33:16 2014. I can see that but from my own experience I don't think about it unless someone religious brings it up :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 12:49:06 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jul 21 12:36:40 2014. Jews for Jesus maintains that one can be Jewish but adhere to Christian beliefs. That is clearly impossible because several of the core Christian beliefs are unacceptable to Judaism. Its like trying to describe a square circle. Much different than simply wearing a symbol.Jews for Jesus is an arm of the Southern Baptist Convention intended to deceive non-practicing Jews - primarily Soviet expatriates who know they are "Jewish" but don't have the slightest clue what that means - into thinking that Fundamentalist Christianity is Judaism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 12:51:00 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by 3-9 on Mon Jul 21 12:33:16 2014. No, in my case at least it is the absence of a belief in God. There is a difference. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Jul 21 13:15:09 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 12:49:06 2014. Well, then. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 13:17:23 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Jul 21 12:49:06 2014. Jews for Jesus is an arm of the Southern Baptist ConventionHa. I didn't know that. I thought they were just some little splinter group. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 14:51:58 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 11:07:36 2014. You don't think Jews as a whole are more likely to be atheists than other religions?Atheism is a form of rejection and confrontation. May also be a social disorder, or something like that. I'd say most info that atheists have in their arsenal was learned as an adult, not because Mommy and Daddy dragged them off to church every week. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 15:04:37 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 14:51:58 2014. Atheism is a form of rejection and confrontation. May also be a social disorder, or something like that.Bullshit! If anything, religion is more of a disorder given that a particular delusion is necessary to support it. I'd say most info that atheists have in their arsenal was learned as an adult, not because Mommy and Daddy dragged them off to church every week. I would think that most atheists became atheists in their pre-teens and teens when they become philosophically aware. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 15:20:24 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Fred G on Mon Jul 21 11:39:48 2014. Like the atheists who bought a billboard outside the Lincoln Tunnel a few January's ago to mock Christmas.I don't know any atheists who want to be left alone. Most are confrontational angry people. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 15:28:13 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 15:20:24 2014. I don't know any atheists who want to be left alone. Most are confrontational angry people.Huh? You only know about the atheists who are confrontational. There are far more who just don't bring up religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 15:29:20 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 15:20:24 2014. That's specious reasoning. You don't know whether anyone is an atheist unless they tell you so, and you perceive any statement of atheism as "confrontational" and "angry."That billboard didn't mock Christmas anymore than religious proselytization mocks other religions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:29:51 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 15:28:13 2014. That's fine, but he's right, the vocal ones are very vocal. What would be the point of an atheist having to put up a billboard mocking religion, if they didn't care? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 15:30:31 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:29:51 2014. They are far less vocal than vocal proselytizers of religion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:45:30 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 15:29:20 2014. Yes, but "religious proselytization" is getting people to convert to a religion. If Athiests aren't a religion, then why would they need to proselytize at all? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 21 15:49:14 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 10:05:21 2014. Funny how that works out,right?The ENEMY of man has to know..so he can use those tools to mix lies with the truth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:49:36 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 15:30:31 2014. Of course, but that's because proselytizers are some sort of "religion", and they proselytize to convert people to their religion, or proclaim their religion. If what you say is true, and Atheism truly isn't a religion, why would they need proselytize anything? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 15:54:46 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:49:36 2014. why would they need proselytize anything?1. Same reason as religious proselytizers. "How can people being so foolish as to not recognize the way and the light and the truth? I must save them from their folly." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:08:38 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:45:30 2014. That's a strong "gotcha". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:08:49 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 21 15:54:46 2014. Yes, but again, the religious proselytizers are promoting a religion. The Atheists apparently aren't a religion, so there's no need to proselytize. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:09:14 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:08:38 2014. I don't see how it couldn't be any clearer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:09:41 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 15:45:30 2014. Who ever said that the billboard constituted "religious proselytization?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:09:52 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:08:38 2014. FALSE! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:09:54 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:08:49 2014. There are even "(un)convert or die" atheist types. Such types once ruled what was formerly known as the Second World. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:10:39 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:09:14 2014. Huh? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:10:59 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 21 15:49:14 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:11:22 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 21 14:51:58 2014. Or in their teens. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:12:40 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:08:49 2014. No, they are promoting the absence of religion. It's just like promoting a political movement, or some kind of new fad, or religion for that matter. That doesn't make it "a religion" as such. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:13:27 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:09:41 2014. What's the reason for the billboard promoting their stance unless they were promoting something? You brought it up comparing it to religious proselytizer. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:14:14 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:10:39 2014. If they aren't a "religion", or acting like one, why would they need to promote their ideas? If they are non religious, they should be indifferent to it, not promoting something. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 21 16:15:39 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:14:14 2014. Correct. People would be voting with their feet if it was that super-duper. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:17:05 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:13:27 2014. I compared it to religious proselytization, because they are comparable. I didn't say that billboard was literally "religious proselytization."And before you complain about "semantics" or something, I never said that there aren't atheists who engage in promotion of atheism. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:17:49 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:12:40 2014. If not, there's no need to promote anything. They are a member of a movement promoting something. It's not political. If they don't believe in religion, that's great, but they are still promoting a stance here, and they makes them far from indifferent. They are proselytizing their beliefs, WHICH is no different than anyone else proselytizing their beliefs, which happen to be religious beliefs.This is not to say I believe the religious more than the athiests, but once they begin proselytizing their beliefs, they have become more than just non-believers, they are believers in their own "religion" which is the absence of a deity. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:18:05 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:14:14 2014. The Democrats and the Republicans are both not religions, and yet they both promote their ideas, vigorously. The promotion of ideas is not exclusive to religion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 21 16:19:50 2014, in response to Re: ''I didn't know you were Jewish''?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 21 16:17:05 2014. Well it is a proselytiztion. They are pushing THEIR BELIEFS. The religious are proselytizing their beliefs in whatever deity they have, and these atheists are proselytizing their non belief in a deity. They crossed over once they begin proselytizing. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Jul 21 16:20:26 2014, in response to "I didn't know you were Jewish"?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 20 11:32:37 2014. "I don't have an MBA like some people here."What does a master degree in business have to do with simple grammar? Did you graduate high school yet? or do you have a GED? |
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