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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 11:41:32 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 11:21:53 2012.

I think we could take your numbers and divide by 10, or rather I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it works out. We're not talking Ted Bundy here.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 11:55:29 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 11:08:31 2012.

absolutely.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 11:58:18 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 11:38:47 2012.

Even if you felt that you were innocent?

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 11:59:22 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 11:08:31 2012.

Did the police decide not to press charges or the DA?

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:14:24 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 11:59:22 2012.

I'd read that the State's Attorney overrode the dissenting police investigator's dispute of Zimmerman's account so perhaps it is State's Attorney who's charged with this. I took that to mean the police turned to the SA upon not reaching a unanimous decision but I could be wrong.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:22:56 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 11:59:22 2012.

Police arrest but it's the prosecutors who decide whether to prosecute.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 12:26:26 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:22:56 2012.

In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:28:44 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 12:26:26 2012.

That's the sign posted over the Dick Wolf School of Law

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:39:17 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 12:26:26 2012.

I'm neither the police nor DA yet I can press charges.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:44:19 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:39:17 2012.

But you can't indict a ham sandwich. It's been said that a good prosecutor can.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:45:30 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 11:58:18 2012.

Again, unless I had an extremely strong case, I'd be loath to bet my life on a jury if I were in Zimmerman'd shoes. There is plenty of evidence to rebut Zimmerman's self-serving version of events. Besides, criminal trials generally have VERY high conviction rates'especially for homicides.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:48:10 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:44:19 2012.

Hehe, "ham sandwich" is the standard answer to "order in the court!"

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:49:55 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:45:30 2012.

Saying "if you felt you were innocent" very strongly suggests you feel you have a strong case.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:53:44 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:45:30 2012.

"There is plenty of evidence to rebut Zimmerman's self-serving version of events."

Are you privy to what the autopsy results were?
Have you read the unredacted statements of the two eye witnesses?
Have you had a chance to review the phone records & entire 9-1-1 tapes?
Have you had a chance to analyze all of the other forensic evidence?
Can you reveal, from your conversations with the defense counsel, what their strategy will be?

It seems to me that your over-confidence in the outcome is more wishful thinking than it is rooted in fact. I still say that we should let the trial play out and regardless of our own points of view or prejudices, accept the verdict - be it by jury or bench or by plea.


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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:54:24 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:48:10 2012.

Horse radish sauce on mine, please.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:55:19 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 12:49:55 2012.

Not necessarily. I might know full well I'm innocent, but get convicted anyway because my case was weak.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 13:05:22 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 12:55:19 2012.

Then you have little faith in our criminal justice system. By the way - if you were on trial - I'd vote to acquit.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 14:06:30 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 12:53:44 2012.

The prosecutor's decision to charge Zimmerman, after her own reading of the evidence, strongly suggests the case against Zimmerman to be good enough to present to a jury.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 14:10:05 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 13:05:22 2012.

It's nice to know I could at least hang the jury. :)

But I know the reality: as a gay man of color, I would not be a sympathetic defendant to most jurors. That's just the way things are.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 14:14:01 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 14:06:30 2012.

Or it suggests that the prosecutor wanted to quell community tensions or was bowing to political pressure. The evidence was not heard by a grand jury either. I have no stake in the outcome here other than I plan on using the Autotrain in July and would hope that Sanford will be a quiet little back-woods community when I pass through. If Zimmerman is guilty, then let him pay his due but until then, we all owe him the presumption of innocence.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 14:16:15 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 14:10:05 2012.

"But I know the reality: as a gay man of color, I would not be a sympathetic defendant to most jurors.

Depends on the charge. Poor taste in clothing is not a crime, you know :)

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 15:06:54 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 14 14:16:15 2012.

Fashion violations notwithstanding, Lambda Legal, an LGBT-rights law firm, has actually done some excellent research on the way jurors see gay defendants. Society's prejudices don't get checked at the courthouse door. For example, the conviction rate for homosexuality at trial--before SCOTUS decriminalized us--was close to 100%, even in the flimsiest of cases.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 15:16:33 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 15:06:54 2012.

For example, the conviction rate for homosexuality at trial--before SCOTUS decriminalized us--was close to 100%, even in the flimsiest of cases.

Link? I wonder how many would actually go to trial and then how many of those would deny being gay?

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 15:20:18 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 14:06:30 2012.

I agree, but it could also be a case of passing the buck. If she doesn't bring charges she's the bad guy in the eyes of many. If she brings charges then whether innocent or guilty justice is served.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 16:25:34 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 15:16:33 2012.

I think most would just blow it off :)

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:38:38 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 15:06:54 2012.

Oh, here we go....

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:39:19 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Fred G on Sat Apr 14 16:25:34 2012.

That's what she he said....

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:40:53 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 15:20:18 2012.

Yes. But I can just see the fake outrage that will come up if the verdict was innocent. Then of course the JayZee types will say justice wasn't served.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 19:10:38 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 18:40:53 2012.

Why do you assume the outrage would be fake?

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Apr 14 19:17:38 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 19:10:38 2012.

Because he's a Nazi. He supports so-called "religions" that oppose social justice and poses as pro American while advocating trade with ENEMY nations that rapes our industrial base. Espousing Republicanism or its corrupt ideology, or honoring its iconic personalities should be dealt with MOST severely under the law.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 21:43:09 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 19:10:38 2012.

I don't mean "fake" how by it's real definition, I mean how they are always looking for something to be outraged about. This would be one of those times.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 14 22:43:41 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 21:43:09 2012.

You mean like the teabaggers getting all outraged over nonexistent tax hikes?

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 23:30:17 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 14 22:43:41 2012.

No, I mean like all the liberals getting all "outraged" over nonsensical birth control issues that don't have a chance of being passed or being real issues.

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 15 05:16:50 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 14 23:30:17 2012.

If one doesn't get outraged then bills like that have a better chance of being passed.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 00:34:54 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by Easy on Sat Apr 14 12:26:26 2012.



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Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody

Posted by SMAZ on Mon Apr 16 00:37:02 2012, in response to Re: AP says Zimmerman in custody, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Apr 14 11:09:43 2012.

Zimmerman will walk.

I think he's a huge piece of garbage but I fail to see what the crime is here other than perhaps the reckless use of a firearm.

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