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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 20:50:06 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:32:16 2012.

Someday they might realize they've been wrong. Maybe once they get the "Protestant work ethic" out of their minds.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 20:51:28 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 31 20:40:51 2012.

10 minutes? Have you ever been to Subway?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 20:52:45 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:49:04 2012.

No they shouldn't.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 20:53:23 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:44:03 2012.

but raising the minimum wage is just a tax hike in another form.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:08:40 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 20:53:23 2012.

but raising the minimum wage is just a tax hike in another form

But the provision of welfare has a direct cost on the financial situation of a municipality. In contrast, increasing the minimum wage doesn't directly affect how municipalities are run given that most are limited to only collecting property taxes so the loss of workers isn't that harmful to tax revenues.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 21:10:18 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:08:40 2012.

Dandy's so called "freedom" destroys lives.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 21:10:33 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:08:40 2012.

they could just a easily raise taxes and pay welfare benefits.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 21:10:47 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:08:40 2012.

Your claim has no basis in reality.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:19:53 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 20:44:42 2012.

Yep ... employers who believe in those still have employees that actually give a shit about the customer and quality. When you take care of your people, they take care of you.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 21:20:34 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 21:10:47 2012.

I think what he's saying is that welfare payments are "run through" the local government which then collects taxes on productive activity while a wage increase is borne by the consuner more directly. Since less hands "touch the money", overall cost should be less.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:24:40 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 21:10:33 2012.

they could just a easily raise taxes and pay welfare benefits

Yes, that works until your jurisdiction becomes a magnet due to the welfare benefits, and then you're stuck with increasing tax rates to pay for the benefits. Local balkanized distribution of welfare is the worst thing possible, and if we're going to implement a strong welfare state it needs to be done at the national level so we don't have states dumping their poor and sick citizens on states that have decided to care for their citizens.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 21:26:48 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:24:40 2012.

but an increase in the minimum wage will have the same effects. mandating higher than market wages is just an indirect tax and transfer system.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:26:51 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:49:04 2012.

There ya go! That's how they did the fi'dollah in the first place. :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 21:28:30 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 31 20:40:51 2012.

I can sell you a book on how to do accounting for foodservice. It's not dependent on a single employee. The original article just said cost of doing business.

That's the record breaking taxes, and fees. Most of which you never hear about nor see in your check.

The taxes fees and wages of those who do the daily shipments of foods.
Fat food taxes.
Regulatory fees, it's expensive to file their taxes and sales taxes in some cities. I can cite you a department store that circled a city completely once and refused to open IN said city.
And so on.

Like how it takes, what was it 47 days or something just to open a lemonade stand in NYC.
Or how it takes millions of dollars just to file the paperwork for a keystone pipeline, but with no results. That factors into your gas prices btw. The people who did the keystone pipeline must've been what everyone calls speculators. They speculated they weren't going to be the first pipeline ever denied by politics.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 21:29:46 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 20:09:35 2012.

To quote a common expression in 2008, 'give them a chance!'

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:44:41 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 21:29:46 2012.

We did ... and now that they're back in the house, the war on America is spinning once again. I'd like to see it stopped, but then Brasil is doing rather well now as a result of them pesky republicans and desperate for good coders. Their immigration policy is interesting too. Bring money, we stamp your wrist so you can get back in if you go outside for a smoke. :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 21:57:42 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:44:41 2012.

Dems been in control of something since 02 or 04 and have been obstructing ever since.

We haven't had a budget for this country in YEARS now.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:01:24 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 20:19:59 2012.

Yes...before the left enacted all the crap of tbe 40's and slowly caused the cost of everything to go up. We didnt have the strong unions causing the cost of everything to go up...the govenmental regulation....the government wage...etc.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:03:40 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:49:04 2012.

No they should not. Theres plenty LEGAL immigrants to do that work.
And why do you think its okay for illegal immigrants to do "slave labor". How is that different than the people we were talking about at the beginning of tgis discussion?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:07:16 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:20 2012.

Correct. Automation also "destroyed" a lot of jobs. Technology also. But with automation and technology also comes new different jobs.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:12:35 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 20:31:57 2012.

And the cost of goods and services has gone up because of increased cost of labor much of it artificially regulated. Its somewhat similar to how rent control/stabilization has caused rents to be higher.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:15:46 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:08:40 2012.

Yes but forcing the increase in wages causes the price of goods and services to go up along with it. So the increase in wage is lost because the worker is also a consumer and now also has to pay more for goods and services.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:16:15 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 21:10:18 2012.

Dandy is correct on this.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:17:49 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 21:57:42 2012.

We only had non-republican for two years, but over in the senate owing to senate rules, they could still kick up shit even then. Could had a budget there, but alas ... still enough GOP around to screw it all up with those filibusters.

Hopefully this time around, the senate can be 70/30 and we can get some stuff done. Then again, it's 2012 and so maybe Alex Jones will introduce us to our reptilian overlords. :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:18:02 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by DAND124 on Sat Mar 31 21:26:48 2012.

The left has good intentions and tbeir thought looks great on paper....but in the real world they dont realize the affect of their acrions. They hurt the very people they are trying to help.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:22:51 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:01:24 2012.

Heh. All that "crap of the 40's" is HOW America became "great" ... but hey ... we'll continue doing the 80's ... soon we'll be sneaking into the wheel wells of planes headed to China so that we can hope to work the rice paddies and send money home to Cleveland. :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:23:46 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 31 20:40:51 2012.

It takes more than just employee to run a subway...or name a business. San Frans leftist policy is destroying the city. The taxes, red tape, bureaucracy, etc makes the cost of doing business high.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:24:06 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:07:16 2012.

Not really ... you see ... back when "automation" was being introduced, the bill of goods being sold to America was that we'd all work shorter hours for the same pay and have more "leisure time" ... seriously ... look it up.

And THEN what happened?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:25:18 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:18:02 2012.

If that were true, then why is it that things only go to shit when the right is in control?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:25:43 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 20:44:42 2012.

He forgot that the main reason a business opens is to make money. Businesses dont owe anyone a job....the point of the jobs is to help make money for the business.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:27:40 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:22:51 2012.

The huge cost of doing business here is what caused businesses to leave.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:31:09 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:27:40 2012.

They shouldn't have been allowed to leave.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:32:01 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:24:06 2012.

And how do you expect a company to not change to a machine that takes one to operate...as opposed to the five it took to do the old way. By your logic we should still be beating our clothes on a rock and hanging it in the sun to dry instead of using the washee dryer.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:32:14 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:24:06 2012.

The Nazis gave it all to the unproductive Rich.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:34:01 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:27:40 2012.

Nope ... the insane profits of not paying people a fair wage is what sent them over there. And with "gas prices" now eating more of that profit than the American unions ever did, guess what's happening?

They're coming BACK. :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:34:17 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:25:18 2012.

And the left drags it down further. The left for example have held minorities down by the very programs they set to "help" them. Theres catastrophy in the wake of most of her programs.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:34:36 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:25:43 2012.

They need to be handcuffed. Businesses and their stockholders who shirk social obligations are to be treated as public enemies.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:35:06 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:31:09 2012.

We actually put into force TAX policies that REWARDED them for doing that. And penalized them for staying here. That particular congress that Newtie ran did that.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:35:55 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:23:46 2012.

And yet that place is booming more and more every day. Go figure ... seems the only people who have a problem with how well that's working are people who don't even live there.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:38:05 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:32:01 2012.

Heh. Do you need eyeglasses? That's not at ALL what I said ... automation's promise was more work out of machines resulting in fewer hours for the same wages for those who worked in those factories. Last time we went through this stuff, I posted nnumerous images from the science and manufacturing magazines of the time from Popular Mechanics to Time magazine where this is what they were selling to America ...

And where the HELL is my goddam flying car? :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:38:17 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 21:44:41 2012.

There is nothing that they can do with a democrat controlled senate and executive branch. By that logic...everthing went to shit after 2006 when the democrats took control of Both houses of congress. Yeah...thats it.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:42:32 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:17:49 2012.

We only had non re-republican for two years

You REALLY are on crack. The democrats had FULL control of congress since 2006. How the hell did they have no power then.....but somehow the republicans have plenty now when they only have one? Your shit is really hysterical and whats funnier is that people will fall for it.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:42:48 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:17:49 2012.

We only had non re-republican for two years

You REALLY are on crack. The democrats had FULL control of congress since 2006. How the hell did they have no power then.....but somehow the republicans have plenty now when they only have one? Your shit is really hysterical and whats funnier is that people will fall for it.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:42:52 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:32:14 2012.

And China, and the Caymans, and ...

Ya gotta love a political party that gives everything away to everybody else BUT us. :(

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:44:03 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:35:06 2012.

That started long before newt.

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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:44:07 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:34:17 2012.

I'll guess some keystrokes are missing in that second to last word ... I dunno. Cutting job training and education is supposed to improve the poor's lot exactly how?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:44:49 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 22:31:09 2012.

And how xan you keep them from leaving? The leftist policy of taxation and regulation kicked them out.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:46:12 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:25:43 2012.

Heh. Absolutely true ... and the businesses that do the best are the ones with highly qualified employees who CARE and demonstrate to the customer that their place is the best and deserves that business.

It's sorta like comparing Apple to Toshiba.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 31 22:46:47 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AlM on Sat Mar 31 20:40:51 2012.

Why are you arguing with the facts? Subway says that due to the high cost of doing business in San Francisco, they choose not to participate in the $5 foot-long program. It is what it is. By the way it takes far less than 10 minutes.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 22:46:52 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 22:44:03 2012.

Newt turned it on its head.

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