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No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:23:50 2012

You can't just arbitrarily raise the minimum wage and not expect some will have to pay for it

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 18:37:42 2012, in response to No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:23:50 2012.

I wonder if they have dollar menu's there.

At least there's no poor people or homeless that need cheap food there.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 30 18:46:25 2012, in response to No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:23:50 2012.

Who cares? San Francisco is a premium city. One expects things to cost more.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:50:50 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 30 18:46:25 2012.

I can get my $5 footlong here in New York.

The high cost of doing business there is artificial, not a product of market forces.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:51:24 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 18:37:42 2012.

LOL. Actually San Francisco has one of the WORST homeless problems, I have EVER seen, way worse than NY was even in the 80's. Homeless people everythere in San Fran. Such a beautiful city, and homeless lying in doorways everywhere. THat's what happens when liberals and the left is in control of a city for so long....

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 19:05:11 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:51:24 2012.

Banning all sorts of food and driving up the prices of cheap food didn't solve that? Where did they go wrong!

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 19:13:15 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 30 18:46:25 2012.

Meatballs and bread from the midwest costs more in San Fran versus Oakland?

I think the poor care. After all the talk and cartoons about food stamps during the Romney campaign.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 02:37:02 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:50:50 2012.

That I can agree with. I think we all know by now my controversial opinion regarding minimum wage.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 02:37:45 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:51:24 2012.

No. It's because there's no winter to freeze them to death.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 02:44:00 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 02:37:02 2012.

I think we all know by now my controversial opinion regarding minimum wage.

Admittedly, having no minimum wages makes sense, but somehow one feels for the workers who are incapable of actually earning more. OTOH, one could argue that given the shift in our society toward the need for more education, that bar for what constitutes mental retardation may need to be bumped up, and that those who qualified under the new standards should simply get disability benefits...

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 02:51:03 2012, in response to No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 30 18:23:50 2012.

So...what's it the $6 footlong now?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 03:49:33 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 02:37:45 2012.

Once you become a republican, nobody else matters. :(

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 03:50:20 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 02:44:00 2012.

Or perhaps an actual living wage so that they can live on their own power?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 03:52:38 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 02:51:03 2012.



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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by TonyG on Sat Mar 31 04:25:59 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:51:24 2012.

I have to agree with you on this one. Unless you are poor or filthy rich San Francisco is not a city for you.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:30:52 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 02:37:45 2012.

False. San Diego for example has a much better climate than SF and doesn't have that same problem. The whole southwest has a good climate with little freezing, yet not the same homeless problem. Same with Florida. San Fran has a severe homeless problem, and it's not based on just it's climate.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:35:43 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 19:13:15 2012.

San Francisco, the worst run city (leftist policies) of it's size in the US:

http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:35:52 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Mar 30 19:13:15 2012.

San Francisco, the worst run city (leftist policies) of it's size in the US:

http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12-16/news/the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-u-s/

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 09:27:14 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 03:50:20 2012.

But what do you do when those employees labour simply isn't worth paying them a living wage?

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 09:57:13 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 09:27:14 2012.

Leftists think people that flip burgers should be paid the same as the manager in charge of the people flipping burgers.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 10:07:49 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 09:57:13 2012.

Not really but should be paid more.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:25:30 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 10:07:49 2012.

"More" is a subjective idea. Most people also won't want to be spending another $$ for our "cheeseburgers" either and thats what WILL happen. And as that happens all service and merchandise goes up..lessening everyone's spending power.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Rockparkman on Sat Mar 31 10:28:54 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:25:30 2012.

If I had my way, you'd be a medical experiment in a Government lab.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 10:29:25 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:25:30 2012.

I don't mind spending a buck more on a sandwich if it means the guy making it can afford a roof over his head.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 11:21:26 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 09:57:13 2012.

No.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by TonyG on Sat Mar 31 11:24:53 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:25:30 2012.

Also sales will go down as it reaches the price point that more people might decide to make their own food as opposed to go out and eat fast food. This could theoretically result in the loss of some fast food workers' jobs.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 11:26:32 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 10:29:25 2012.

I do. If I wanted to donate to charity I would.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 11:39:46 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 11:26:32 2012.

Exactly.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 11:41:20 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 10:29:25 2012.

But its not just a dollar for burger. Its everything....and ALL our spending power goes down....including the guy with the former low wage.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 11:46:25 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by TonyG on Sat Mar 31 11:24:53 2012.

Yes. As i said in my other post....everyones spending powed goes down....including the worker trying to be "helped". Its notbeing mean....or trying npt to "help" poorer people...its that leftist ideologr...while noble and looks nice on paper often doesn work and actually has the opposite affect in the real world.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Mar 31 15:47:31 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 07:30:52 2012.

Most of Florida gets some good hard freezes, but this sees pretty good. I can't wait for another conversation about climates or local things from wannabe know it alls. Another subchat day.

oh pwnd :)

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 31 15:49:07 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 03:49:33 2012.

"Let them eat cake!!!"

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 15:54:50 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Mar 31 10:25:30 2012.

By your logic if we paid people even less then the price would drop so we could have $1 footlongs if we paid say , $1 an hour.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 16:04:42 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 15:54:50 2012.

No, that's San Francisco's "logic". There are still $5 foot-long sandwiches at Subway restaurants elsewhere in the country. Cost of production is still part of cost of doing business after all.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:09:04 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 16:04:42 2012.

That's not what I was talking about.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 16:51:42 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 15:54:50 2012.

No. No one is advocating for such a thing. You can get the normal price items everywhere else, except in places like San Fran where leftist policy makes it difficult to conduct business. That hurts the consumer, and in turn the worker too.
But of course, you have to bring up the absurd (the usual leftist argument tactic) to try and prove a point.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 16:52:27 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:09:04 2012.

Nor was it what was it being spoken about, nor even remotely hinted at, in the post you responded to.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:55:56 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 16:51:42 2012.

It's not absurd, but just following your logic. If the worker were paid less the reality would be the owner would pocket the difference as profit.

San Francisco is a high rental market so it makes sense to kick people's pay up.

your pal,
Fred


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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:56:54 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 16:52:27 2012.

???

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:19:49 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:55:56 2012.

It doesn't make sense to "kick it up". Don't live in the city if you can't afford it.
And no, the owner would not pocket the money, as if it were possible to do business at a lower price, prices paid can be lower too, and would be, as competition wouldn't allow his prices to be higher, as another business would come in and undercut.

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:21:02 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:56:54 2012.

The idea that workers should be paid "$1" and we would have $1 footlongs.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 17:22:56 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:19:49 2012.

So we agree a business could undercut him if their cost of doing business were lower.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:39:46 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 17:22:56 2012.

Yes. IF it were possible to provide the service at a lower cost to the consumer, the LESSER prices would appear because of competition. So you are incorrect that the owner would pocket the extra money if costs of doing business were lower, as competition wouldn't allow it. However, bad municipal business policy making business have to charge more, hurts consumers as that cost is passed onto the consumers, many of which are also workers. So that "extra" money the worker would make would in turn be paid out in the higher costs of goods.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 17:42:14 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:39:46 2012.

So if somebody paid workers a buck an hour he could sell $1 sandwiches.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 17:44:16 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 16:55:56 2012.

No, if the worker were paid less the position would not be filled and the employer would be forced to raise wages or exit the market.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 17:47:37 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:39:46 2012.

Actually, he might pocket the profit, depending on prevailing economic conditions. Not that it's a bad thing.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:50:50 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 31 17:42:14 2012.

No, as he wouldn't be able to find workers to fill those jobs.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:51:24 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 17:44:16 2012.

Correct.

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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 17:53:07 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 31 17:47:37 2012.

This is true, however, when there is a large margin for profit, other businesses will most certainly come in and try to access that great margin. Once competition is present, it keeps prices in check.

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Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 17:53:59 2012, in response to Re: No more $5 footlongs at Subway in SF, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 31 15:49:07 2012.

Actually, cake wouldn't be so bad. I'm still trying to figure out what this pink stuff is. :)

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