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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 21:48:42 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:26:52 2012. lol..I sport nike's hoodies..LEVI's.Guess that makes me a straight up hood GEES UP GANGSTA! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:49:31 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 21:48:10 2012. Perhaps..... I just stated how i would act if i was in his shoes.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 21:50:35 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 27 21:27:20 2012. there you go,brah.. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 21:51:30 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 27 21:43:18 2012. Is Zimmermann's version completely unbelievable? The bloody nose and face, the stained backside of his shirt, the testimony of neighbors, etc. Is it impossible that Trayvon hit Zimmermann first? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 21:53:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 21:51:30 2012. There's still valid though in "if you go looking for trouble, it will find you" here. Dunno how it works in Florida, but had that happened up here, Zim would be in the shitter for "failure to comply with a lawful order" just for continuing to follow. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:01:38 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 21:51:30 2012. " |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 27 22:02:37 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 21:53:51 2012. iawtp |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:03:21 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 21:48:35 2012. I'm not surprised..but considering HJB use to be the OK CORAL ON THE NORTH END..I tell her to be careful.Sunday was no different to me...even with the police station there. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:15:41 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 21:26:52 2012. Regular guy? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:16:13 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:03:21 2012. All comes down to one's attitude. Folks are reasonable around here. But don't start no shit either. :)Amazing what happens when people give a shit. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:17:05 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:15:41 2012. Worse ... a (gasp!) motorman. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 22:17:06 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:15:41 2012. Heh Am I??? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 22:19:42 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:17:05 2012. NO Train Operator.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:20:34 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Tue Mar 27 22:19:42 2012. Oh stop it ... just because they issued you a radio instead of a toolbag and call you that doesn't mean that you ain't up to the cred. Moo. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:20:52 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 27 21:12:45 2012. So if a person has entered your car and is driving away, you believe that it should be acceptable to shoot at the vehicle going AWAY from you, posing no danger to your person?Only threats to a PERSON should be met with deadly force. Entering an occupied home is such a threat. Stealing a car and driving off is not. Entering an occupied car (carjacking) also is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:21:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 27 21:11:50 2012. They might. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:22:08 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 22:20:52 2012. Thank you. Property can be replaced. People can't. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 21:53:51 2012. Does that apply only to sworn officers or can anyone in NY give lawful orders that must be obeyed?My limited understanding of the Florida law is that anyone that is engaged in a lawful act can stand their ground. Zimmermann certainly instigated, but he claims that he was walking back to his car. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:35:15 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Mar 27 21:11:50 2012. That is so ridiculous. Doctors save lives and some of them have been mass murderers. Many others have probably beaten their wives and stolen money. I don't see why EMT's would be any different. Was that EMT that refused to help the dying guy because he was on his lunch break a great guy too? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:36:04 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:16:13 2012. You know I know the deal..still its nice to see this without the police wanting to lock someone up... |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:36:21 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:35:15 2012. Excellent points |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:36:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:28:01 2012. Sworn officers like the operators in the county sheriff's office that run our E911. If an operator there tells you to do something and you screw up and don't listen, you can get your three squares and a steel bed. The "walking back to the car" claim is one I haven't heard until now.But around here, you'll do hard time for a bad check. So we don't have much of a crime rate here. As to Florida law, dunno but again, around here, if E911 tells you to break it off and something happens, you'll be visiting the facility too. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:36:49 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 21:23:15 2012. Seriously? Being a good EMT automatically makes someone a good person? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:38:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:36:04 2012. Things have changed with David Soares as DA and Campbell got replaced by Apple for the county and Ed Boyd is chief now in the city. A LOT more sense is prevailing these days here. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:41:41 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:36:21 2012. How..whats the relevance to the issue at hand?How does that compare to "gold teeth"? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:45:16 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:36:22 2012. The 911 operator didn't tell him to back off. He said "We don't need you to do that." It sounds more like a recommendation than an order and certainly not something that anyone could be convicted for.And call me hard-headed, but I doubt that 911 operators have the authority to tell anyone to do anything. I've certainly never heard of anything like that. Even the police have gotten into trouble for telling people not to record videos of crime scenes. But a 911 operator can have the authority that you claim? That's hard to believe. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:45:21 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:41:41 2012. I didn't mention gold teeth. As for the rest, it either will be relevant or it won't. But you just don't refuse to discuss it because it might not fit the Sunday School image that you want to portray. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:46:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:45:16 2012. Are you trying to confuse him? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:52:45 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:36:49 2012. Are you on drugs? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 22:52:45 2012. You disagree? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:56:34 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 22:45:16 2012. Well ... one can always be governed accordingly. If I was in that situation and I was told by 911 "we don't need you to do that" I would accept that as "go away" and comply. It's how we do things up here and we don't have a crime rate like the guy who is concerned about me being confused. Works for me. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 23:02:11 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 22:45:21 2012. what the hell are you talking about?Stay with me now? Image is perception..if you think so one is a thug..does that make it so? Does MY PERCEPTION for[not OF] humanity depress you? Does MY PORTRAYAL of an activist bother YOU? You must be confused about something.. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 23:03:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 22:56:34 2012. I understand and I was once in a similar situation and was told something very much like that by a 911 operator and I complied. But it didn't sound like an order and I certainly never got the idea that I could be arrested if I didn't comply. The issue isn't whether you should comply, but whether or not it's a crime if you don't. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 23:10:20 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 23:02:11 2012. I never said that gold teeth makes anyone bad, just that doing well at work doesn't necessarily make them good.But in any event, how would you feel if your daughter was dating a guy with gold teeth? Or if she had gold teeth? I wouldn't let my daughter date anyone with gold teeth. Right or wrong, I'm pretty sure of that. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 23:16:47 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 23:02:11 2012. As I said, I'm neither impressed or bothered by your narrow mindedness. We're just different sorts of people. I choose to get as much information as I can before I make up my mind. You seem to be the type that makes up his mind early and the is easily confused by facts. It doesn't make you a bad person - just unreasonable. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 23:22:37 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 23:03:22 2012. I don't know what they do elsewhere but I do not believe that 911 operators in NYC or Long Island have any authority over police, fire or ordinary citizens. Perhaps this will help:Job Description Now that you know more about what does a 911 operator do exactly, you must read about all the 911 operator responsibilities and daily activities that the individual is expected to take upon himself. All these things are taught to the operator beforehand, but they should also come from within. This is not a job to be taken lightly, and requires a lot of commitment and will power. The many duties and responsibilities of a 911 operator are as follows. •Receive emergency and non-emergency calls and messages from the public and respond to them appropriately. •Respond to these calls in the right manner and inform the concerned authorities immediately. •Dispatch agencies or units who can provide assistance to the right address after highlighting the importance of the situation. •Prioritize calls and dispatches based on their importance, and take the right decision. •Operate on police radio frequencies to monitor and coordinate various police activities and assignments. •Maintain knowledge of the location and the status of various security personnel. •Create accurate logs of all public communications that have been undertaken for the purpose of general safety of the people. •Provide information for investigative purposes by making use of data and information available in sensitive security databases. •Maintain files and records for cases that require assistance in the future. •Maintain confidentiality of all the information dealt with. •Submit progress reports on trainees, provide on-the-job training for police dispatchers and stay informed of all departmental regulations and procedures. Draw your own conclusions |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 28 01:01:26 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 23:03:22 2012. I guess it all depends on the jurisdiction and who actually handles E911. Some places, it's contracted with the telephone company. In other areas, it's contracted with national call centers who do that. I've even heard of some places down in the red states where your 911 call goes to India or Vietnam. Around here, in this county (after Verizon got people killed) it's handled by the county Sheriff directly.Can't speak for elsewhere, but that's how it works here. If a cop tells you to get off the sidewalk and go across the street, you do so. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe you get cuffed. That's all I was saying ... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Mar 28 02:36:02 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 21:53:51 2012. The operator seems to have issued advice rather than an order. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 28 03:02:55 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Wed Mar 28 02:36:02 2012. Never said it was an order ... but funny how "advice" not taken can be used against you in court when things turn to shit. That's what I was saying. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 28 07:47:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 28 03:02:55 2012. The TA plays the same kind of word games with folks as well. No wonder Labor Relations is always filled.. Some of these folks here arguing that point would be sitting on that bench downtown as well if they worked down here and got caught up with chit spoken on the radio. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 28 09:32:56 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 21:51:30 2012. My guess, totally unsupported by any evidence, is that Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon and said some extremely impolite things to him (most likely invovlving words beginning with f and n), and Trayvon then started hitting him.Under NY law, Zimmerman would have no defense against manslaughter under those circumstances. Under FL law, if that's what happened he'll get off. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 28 10:38:28 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 28 09:32:56 2012. Your GUESS?You are putting words in Zimmerman's mouth. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 28 11:44:21 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 28 10:38:28 2012. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. Why can't I make a guess?It's not as though I am encouraging anyone to act on my guess. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 14:15:04 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 28 07:47:22 2012. I was very clear with my employees. My policy was that even if it sounded like a suggestion, consider it a direct order. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 28 14:24:46 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 27 21:28:34 2012. I can buy an iced out watch[which I do own] yet that does not make me transform into so sort of "gangsta"..Watches are different than dental crowns. You don't have to wear your watch all the time. Hell my kid has more jewels than I do..yet she the sweetest ever.. See above. Jewels are different for women than men anyway. Often..when we judge a book by the cover only..we[meaning others like YOU] often end up on the ass end of the conversation..or better yet..looking LIKE an ass. FALSE! We have to judge people all the time but often have no means beyond their appearance. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 14:39:24 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 14:15:04 2012. Yes, just because I phrase it "you might want to double check those angles." doesn't mean maybe you should think it over.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Mar 28 15:13:31 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 28 14:39:24 2012. Exactly. Lack of ambiguity creates a good work environment. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Mar 28 17:44:58 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Railman718 on Wed Mar 28 07:47:22 2012. FWIW, my short time there was QUITE the learning experience that's served me well for the rest of my life. Particularly in government service later on ... "Simon says" ... "know what to kiss, and when" ... "may I have that in writing please?" ... :) |
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Public opinion shifts . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 19:16:29 2012, in response to Black Panther Party offering $10K for "capture" of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 26 10:46:19 2012. If the DC is good enough for roqueparquehomme, it's good enough for me . . .
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Olog, that's fabulous news! (was: Tear down the CNN building) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 31 19:21:28 2012, in response to Public opinion shifts . . ., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 19:16:29 2012. So it all comes down to a popularity contest of whose bullshit tastes best and is less filling. Thanks for being a rightie, brah ... :( |
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