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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Easy on Mon Mar 26 22:34:44 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 22:05:21 2012.

Has nothing to do with any of that. The right has always favored using guns for protection.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 26 22:37:15 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 26 22:07:43 2012.

Dunno how it works down your way, but if somebody pulls a gun around here, that tends to cause the one not having one to say it, and then do it. And why would you get into a scuffle if you're holding a gun in the first place? Once "baby" comes out, that's usually the end of the discussion. :)

Like I said though, the point is to try to incapacitate your opponent rather than killing them. Gives you a better chance to go home.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 22:49:45 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 26 22:29:45 2012.

Who on the right? I've not heard that.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 27 01:53:30 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 26 22:34:44 2012.

What's with the stereotyping?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:20:07 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 26 21:58:17 2012.

Snail-bot no beat Wazzzpinator!

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:20:44 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 26 21:58:17 2012.

Wait--

WHO'S POORLY BUILT???

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 02:31:49 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 26 22:34:44 2012.

Well, if it's any consolation, I'm a conservative and I don't own any guns.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 27 02:40:17 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 02:31:49 2012.

I don't own any firearms either, nor anything related to archery.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 02:44:27 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:20:44 2012.

It just has that Bombardier look to it. :)

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 02:46:39 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:20:07 2012.

Wazzpinator is pushover for Zzzwindle-bot ... lulz.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 27 02:54:56 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 27 02:40:17 2012.

What the element of leftist on this site does not understand is that what counts at a "conservative" in the NY/NJ/PA region is a centrist or lib in the rest of America.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 27 02:57:38 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 02:31:49 2012.

the element of leftist on this site can't understand that what counts as a conservative in the northeast would be considered a "lib" or centrist in the rest of America.

Easy is actually not a leftist but he'll be in campaign mode soon. He won't vote for Romney.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:57:58 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 02:46:39 2012.

LOL Ohhh boy....

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 03:27:44 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Mar 27 02:57:58 2012.

Never mess with geeks. We can make your deuce berth at Stillwell. :)

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 08:27:48 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 02:31:49 2012.

I'm speaking in general terms, not you specifically. Republicans have pro-gun ownership language in their platform.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 08:56:54 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 26 21:49:25 2012.

Florida law allows you to shoot to kill. All you have to do is get a jury to have a reasonable doubt that you might not be lying when you said you feared for your life.




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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 10:46:25 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Mon Mar 26 22:34:44 2012.

The right has always favored using guns for protection.

The US Constitution has always favored using guns for protection.

So much so that it's incorporated as a fundamental individual right.




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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 27 15:29:23 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 26 14:07:12 2012.


He was about 6'3. I'm sure someone that big, even if skinny, could knock a fat bag like Zimmerman on his ass.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:09:24 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Easy on Tue Mar 27 08:27:48 2012.

Republicans support a strict interpretation of the constitution - the entire constitution. That includes supporting the 2nd amendment. They also support the first amendment which most liberals do not support unless you are agreeing with the way they think or worship. It cuts both ways, you see.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:11:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 08:56:54 2012.

It's not just Florida ... in the city of Kennessaw, GA, you could go to jail for NOT carrying a gun. Indeed, I'm aware of that - my point being that as a gun owner, you should have sufficient skills to use appropriate response to a situation, and to my mind at least, the only justification for "shoot to kill" is if the other guy has a weapon and it's only a question of who goes down first.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:11:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Mon Mar 26 22:49:45 2012.

Bump. Other than people on both sides calling for calm and no rush to judgement, which conservatives are "out to make it seem like the kid had it coming to him."

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:14:00 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:09:24 2012.

Republicans support a strict interpretation of the constitution -

lol.

LOLOLOLOL!!!

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:24:31 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:11:22 2012.

It's not just Florida ... in the city of Kennessaw, GA, you could go to jail for NOT carrying a gun.

The original federal mandate.

The Militia Act of 1792 compelled all males between 18-45 to own a musket and bayonet and overseen by the States.

We need such a law now with such weapons to be assigned to all mentally-fit and law-abiding men and women upon reaching the age of 18 (or at HS graduation if it comes earlier) and after completion of a firearms safety and proficiency course and a citizenship course.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:34:48 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:24:31 2012.

Ever try to load a musket? LOL Or fire one? Talk about powder burns. :)

I'll have to pass on the "mentally fit" though - too many tattlers here. Heh.

But yeah, damned shame that too many can't control their gun. When you whip out your piece and end up putting a bullet in the ceiling, that sure ain't gun control.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 16:40:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:24:31 2012.

We need such a law now.

Absurd.

I don't have to drive a car if I don't want to. Why should I be required to carry a gun? I might shoot myself in the foot when I'm not paying full attention. I make enough mistakes when I drive a car (as does everyone else), but cars are a lot more forgiving than guns.

If everyone carried a gun all the time, you'd have hundreds of accidental deaths and thousands of accidental injuries each year.





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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:42:23 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:34:48 2012.

Ever try to load a musket? LOL Or fire one? Talk about powder burns. :)


Yes, I've got a few 19th century imitation black-powder long rifles.

I find the loading easy and fun.

It's the kick that can be unsettling.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:44:47 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:42:23 2012.

The flintlock ones are really fun. When you spark it and it fires, it bestows a flaming love gift to singe your arm hairs every shot. :)

And yeah, they kick your ass too. You learn to squat and brace fairly quickly. Heh.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 27 16:47:01 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:09:24 2012.

Republicans support a strict interpretation of the constitution??
LOL!!
LOL
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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:48:11 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 27 16:47:01 2012.

Do you even know what that means?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 16:52:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:11:40 2012.


here

here

here

here

That's all the research I'm going to do for now. Michelle Malkin was big on circulating the fake pics of Martin as were other bloggers. Dan Riehl, another conservative blogger has been really insane about this whole thing.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:53:58 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 16:52:40 2012.

In other words, the usual suspects. :(

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 16:56:38 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:11:22 2012.

I agree with you. I'm just saying the state of Florida does not.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:57:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 16:40:51 2012.

I don't have to drive a car if I don't want to. Why should I be required to carry a gun?

Because unlike driving, self-defense is both individual and collective and a failure of collective defense affects others.

When riots breaks out and your neighborhood is breaking down and the police or the Guard cannot get there in time (or high-tailed it), who will save your family and property and those of your neighbors and loved ones?

Somebody else? The Canadians? The Bahamians?

Just like with the health care mandate, the passing off of collective defense to others is not only freeloading but also brings real and immediate costs to the wider community when things break down.

Defense starts with the individual.

I might shoot myself in the foot when I'm not paying full attention.
I make enough mistakes when I drive a car (as does everyone else),


You'll learn to pay attention just like when you drive.
The first time you drove you probably also thought you'd get in a wreck.

but cars are a lot more forgiving than guns.

Statistics would disagree with that statement.

If everyone carried a gun all the time, you'd have hundreds of accidental deaths and thousands of accidental injuries each year.

Nobody would be compelled to carry weapons on them at all times under my proposal unless in a duly declared emergency called by an approved official (a mayor, governor, etc)





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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:58:40 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 16:52:40 2012.

None of those represent Conservatives as a group. They are individual morons who have prejudged this case much as Sharpton, the black panthers and much of the liberal media have done on the left. Show me where one Republican or Conservative Party Leader has even remotely said what you suggest.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 17:00:54 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 16:44:47 2012.

Yep.

The flintlock ones are the ones I have.

With the front-loading round balls and the cloth with the powder loaded in the back.

I love the smell.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 17:08:15 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 16:58:40 2012.

Still, they are conservative voices and sometimes linked to here and elsewhere. I agree that we're not hearing Kristol or George Will saying this stuff but at any rate, there are those on the right smearing the dead guy.
For the record, I'll leave the book open as anything could come out of this.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:30:27 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 17:08:15 2012.

Well, I will not respond with the mirror comments about the positions of some liberals.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 17:48:44 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 16:40:51 2012.

Everyone except those physically unable to should also learn to drive.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 18:00:03 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 17:00:54 2012.

You're such a cheap date ... almost the smell of high mass with more flame. :)

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 18:00:35 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 16:56:38 2012.

Oh I know ... that's why I prefer to live upstate. :)

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 27 18:01:52 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 17:48:44 2012.

Times had an article today about "tl;dr" drivers. :)

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 18:02:51 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Train Dude on Tue Mar 27 17:30:27 2012.

They're not smearing a dead guy's reputation before we all find out what really happened.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 18:04:33 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 17:48:44 2012.

Everyone except those physically unable to should also learn to drive.


Very good point.

It's why driver's ed classes have been traditionally done through the HS system.
Having people have driver's licenses brings a benefit to society.

Firearms education and training should be the same. You've already got JROTC to piggy-back on for a lot of that.

Immigrants wishing to become citizens can take the same course in the evening or on weekends at some local HS and be issued a weapon upon taking the Oath of Naturalization.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 18:13:13 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 18:04:33 2012.

I agree with you about mandatory weapons training, but not issuing free weapons.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:38:08 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 17:48:44 2012.

Why? To require that is an abridgement of freedom.


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:45:22 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 27 16:57:40 2012.

"but cars are a lot more forgiving than guns."

Statistics would disagree with that statement.

Not a chance. There are 30 billion or more person-hours per year of car usage. Gun usage is an infinistesimal fraction of that, but accidental gun deaths are 1/30th of auto deaths.

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 18:53:39 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:38:08 2012.

So you would abolish compulsory education?

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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:55:06 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 27 18:53:39 2012.

No. I can be a productive citizen without knowing how to use a gun or a car. I can't be a productive citizen without a basic education.



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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:56:46 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 18:02:51 2012.

Well, some of them are smearing a live guy's reputation. There is no significant evidence publicly available that Zimmerman is guilty of murder.


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Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman

Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 27 19:05:34 2012, in response to Re: Black Panther Party offering $10K for ''capture'' of George Zimmerman, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 27 18:56:46 2012.

I agree.

your pal,
Fred

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