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Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 21:18:45 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 19 21:10:56 2012. That means NOTHING. 53% of allvotera are women. That's what matters in elections....VOTERS. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 21:46:24 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 19 21:13:20 2012. Ahem. They are far more concerned, knowing how difficult life was "in the day" of women dying at the hands of butchers, worry about becoming "PG" and living in times when so much as getting married was reason for termination of one's career. Older women remember a time when what's taken for granted now (and can be readily taken away as we're seeing to the disbelief of the young) was what was fought for. They know what the fate of their children and grandchildren will be if these nuts gain office and manage to legislate their repressive evils. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:01:46 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 21:46:24 2012. LOL!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:13:48 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 17:40:36 2012. And as stated, the "extras" are in the over 65 group, especially elderly, as that's when women gain an advantage in numbers over men, as they have a larger life expectancy.In any event, younger women tend to vote Democratic, but as they age, and marry, and become smarter and more educated as they age, many change over to Republican. When young, 55% identify as Democrat, 26% Republican, and 19% Independent. When marital status is considered, the gap in identification decreases. 48% of young married women identify as Democrats, 40% as Republicans, and 5% as Independents. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 22:19:41 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:13:48 2012. Hmmm...doesn't that tell you that women are NOT typically republican? They are the minority party across all those demographics. After Sanitorium, women of all ages and political persuasions are NOT planning to vote republican. Many now realize that the republicans are NOT interested in promoting economic opportunity for all, but wish to exclude women from the economy as completely as possible. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:40:58 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 17:41:28 2012. I call BS.I guess it depends on location, but for example, in California, the quickest stats I could find, these are the stats. While women are widely Democratic, they are a minority with Independent voters, and are about half and half among Republican voters. The women that are Democrats aren't voting for Republicans anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Men (57%) make up a larger share of independent likely voters than women (43%), while women (58%) make up a larger share of Democratic likely voters than men (42%). Republican likely voters are split between men and women (50% each). Among independents, the majority (52%) are college educated, compared to fewer Democrats (43%) and Republicans (40%). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:42:45 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 19 21:05:55 2012. ????????????I am talking about your nonsensical post in reference to mine. I could give a shit whether you showed up at Rizzos last week. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:52:47 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by TonyG on Mon Mar 19 10:55:23 2012. Clinton only won Arizona in 1992. In fact, that's the only recent election that went Democratic. Even the massacre in 1964 against Goldwater had Arizona one of the few states that went Republican (although granted he was from there). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:53:51 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 19 09:43:09 2012. Blacks won't show up near the numbers they did in 2008. It was a totally different election. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 19 23:02:21 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:53:51 2012. Blacks won't show up near the numbers they did in 2008. It was a totally different election.If black turnout is lowering than 2008 but higher than 2004, 2000, 1996 and 1992, which it will be, Obama should win NC, FLA and VA. The leftists have their female talking point with this pill controversy and I expect someone to create some racist issue to get blacks worked up so they come out in November. THIW. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 19 23:16:16 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by SMAZ on Mon Mar 19 21:05:55 2012. You think I should have showed up at Rizzo's last week?That would have been great. Your one of the most interesting posters here, like Jayman, OBS, Olog, and Fred. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Mar 20 01:13:20 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 19 13:44:37 2012. I truly wish I had a choice for President. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Mar 20 01:15:27 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:52:47 2012. The GOP is losing ground in AZ. Demographic shifts over the next 10 years will severely limit the amount of clout that they have. One of the reasons for the amount of crazy being spewed out of the AZ legislature is a symptom of that. AZ in the 2010s is like Colorado in the 1990s or California in the 1970s. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 02:27:17 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 19 22:19:41 2012. Who said they were? I just call BS on your nonsense that women that are Republican won't vote Republican. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 20 03:00:30 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 02:27:17 2012. Pardon me for jumping in, but the point is that many "republican women" are highly put off by the "republican agenda" ... dunno if you caught Sanitorium earlier, but he came right out and said that "freedom" is far more important than the economy. Women are more concerned and in touch with the economy than most men. The whole "birth control" thing is also a major losing point among women, even republican women.Maybe they won't convert and accept Pelosi as their personal savior, but they're certainly getting put off by all the batshit. Those that won't convert are likely to just stay home and to hell with these lunatics. Been reading the "age group" thing you've been beating up the last few days, but I had a few conversations today with a few loyal republican women (the ones that volunteer for the party) and they've had their fill of all this. All twelve of them are planning to sit out this election. None are impressed by the guys running. Say what you will, the GOP has sure tied the dog to the roof of the car this go-round ... at least upstate. Where bingbong is coming from is talking to republican women around here. As a politically active person, she knows that there's no point in preaching to your own choir - it's like Patton's famous quote, "You don't get your guys to die for their country - you get the OTHER guy to die for his" ... You may not like what she's saying, and like I keep saying, I don't give a shit ... but both of us see a losing proposition, and I have no need to defend what she's saying. You guys are selling the wrong chicken wings this year. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 07:24:36 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 20 03:00:30 2012. Again, I call BS. While I am not thrilled with Santorum either, I don't believe he will be the nominee. Thankfully people like bingbong and SMAZ have prematurely shot out their ammo so that it wasn't held till he became the nominee where then yes they would be screwed.You completely underestimate how much people on the right are tired of Obama. And while you say "you heard" the opposite, I still here plenty of people saying how important it would be to vote Obama out of office. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 11:50:42 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 07:24:36 2012. You're neglecting to recognize that Rmoney has signed onto that too. He's swung far to the right thus far, and given his flipflopping hypocrisy, no one can be sure he won't act upon it...especially as he'll be doing the party's bidding if elected (in order to be re-elected). Should a nutty Congress remain, he'd have to sign bills that would eliminate Griswold and Eisenstadt, enabling states to enact contraceptive bans at minimum, and possibly a national ban.You ready to support 10+ kids? Somehow I think not. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:16:34 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 02:27:17 2012. Political party membership means nothing when you close the curtain to vote. This current bunch represents a very real threat to the continued participation of women in society. The nouveau War on Women is very very much for real. If you want further proof, look at the first 4 months of legislation the House spewed out.Stop thinking women are so superficial and one dimensional. We aren't. Nor are many of us going to vote against what is clearly our own interests, to some their own lives, and to millions a serious threat to their livelihoods. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:18:55 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:40:58 2012. Proff. Source of numbers. Dates of polling utilized to arrive at them. Source of analysis. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 20 12:24:02 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:18:55 2012. Proff. Source of numbers. Dates of polling utilized to arrive at them. Source of analysis. Huh??? He linked to it! |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:27:28 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 20 12:24:02 2012. Missed that. These stats were published in Fevruary,so they do not reflect the latest salvos in the War Against Women. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 20 12:44:21 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:27:28 2012. Missed that. Thank you. These stats were published in Fevruary Huh? so they do not reflect the latest salvos in the War Against Women. Huh? Do you or do you not believe the stats? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 13:42:45 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 07:24:36 2012. You completely underestimate how much people on the right are tired of Obama.Irrelevant. 40% of the country won't vote for Obama no matter what. 40% of the country won't vote for Romney or Santorum, no matter what. The remaining 20% have mixed feelings. None of us have any idea how many will vote each way; many of them don't know themselves. I know people who say they have just about always voted Republican but will vote for Obama. I also know people who say they have just about always voted Democratic but will vote for anyone but Obama. By the way, it wasn't the left that shot down Santorum or Gingrich. It was and continues to be Romney's PACs. Republican primary voters don't read the Huffington Post, etc. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 14:08:57 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 11:50:42 2012. Oh please. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 14:09:47 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 13:42:45 2012. Actually, that's how most elections go. The left base will never vote the other side, and the right base won't vote the other side, so that leaves the Independents and moderates which decide most elections. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:11:09 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 11:50:42 2012. RmoneyLOL!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 14:13:45 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 12:16:34 2012. Stop thinking women are so superficial and one dimensional. We aren'tI don't. I think YOU are though, at least they way you act here. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 17:16:03 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 14:11:09 2012. 
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 17:18:11 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 20 14:08:57 2012. Please yourself. Which is something you'll have to do often if these RWNBs get their way |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 17:49:36 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:13:48 2012. Have you seen the baby gap: In any event, younger women tend to vote Democratic, but as they age, and marry, and become smarter and more educated as they age, many change over to Republican Is that what happens, or is it a cohort effect (the current generation is more liberal that those before them)? Go here and look at the table. Be sure to look, since we've established that Subchatters don't click on links.... ;P |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 17:51:28 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Mar 19 22:53:51 2012. Blacks will show up. Maybe not in numbers as in 2008, but they'll show up... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 17:57:25 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by TonyG on Tue Mar 20 01:15:27 2012. The GOP is losing ground in AZ. Demographic shifts over the next 10 years will severely limit the amount of clout that they have.That's true. I didn't think of that; now it all makes sense! They are lashing out because they sense an imminent (and probably inevitable) Mexican takeover, demographically and politically—and they can't say what they really mean (well, they've tried). All I can say to that is, and with all due respect, you poor bastards... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:07:14 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 11:50:42 2012. Well now the birth control battle makes much more sense in Arizona. While it has a highish White total fertility rate (1.92 children per child bearing woman), it's still sub-replacement and far below the Mexican fertility rate. Removing birth control, or even curbing its use, would boost the White fertility rate (and probably have little effect on the already high Mexican rate), giving Whites in the state a competitive edge in numbers. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:10:57 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by AlM on Tue Mar 20 13:42:45 2012. Excellently said.The base matters less so than do the people on the fence. This is with one exception: Obama will probably draw fewer White liberals to vote for him, so he will have a smaller base. But that won't matter in most of the states where he has a base, since they'll go Democrat in any case. In the end, the battle still comes to the independents, and in that case mostly in the swing states (and mostly in FL and OH). |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:12:03 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 17:16:03 2012. Interesting...Freudian slip? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:54:31 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 17:51:28 2012. Do you agree with me that if blacks can be worked up into thinking that a vote for Obama is a vote against racism it will motivate more blacks to vote? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 19:14:30 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 20 12:44:21 2012. I believe the stats are inaccurate as the political landscape has changed since then. Statistics that were published in February were likely polled in early January, which would not reflect changes such as the latest in the War Against Women. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 19:20:10 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 20 18:54:31 2012. That belief will exist regardless (think Samuel L. Jackson). Obama can count on strong Black support because he is Black. Everything Blacks aspire to is wrapped up in Obama. Only if he were not the only Black candidate would that be different. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 20 22:35:04 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:12:03 2012. No, photoshop. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 22:41:56 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 20 22:35:04 2012. That's not a shoop. Do notice they're backstage. It was an error of arrangement that didn't see primetime. There's a number of shoops now, inspired by this, the original. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 20 23:35:29 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 22:41:56 2012. Yes it is. In other pictures, the boy with the glasses is clearly wearing the "O" shirt. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Mar 21 11:20:22 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 20 18:07:14 2012. Free birth control helps lower-income groups which in AZ are the Hispanics.It's those lower-income groups whose fertility rates would rise in the absence of affordable birth control. Middle-class whites would still be getting it and using it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 21 12:49:53 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 20 19:14:30 2012. I believe the stats are inaccurate as the political landscape has changed since then. Statistics that were published in February were likely polled in early January Huh? AGAIN, where does it say they were published in February? And why are you guessing about when the polling took place? I think it's clear that you don't take your posting here very seriously. which would not reflect changes such as the latest in the War Against Women. Huh? You're claiming that in a matter of months, the stats in question (those described on that webpage) have changed significantly? What possible basis could you have for this claim?? Chris is the only one here who posted stats. You haven't. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 21 13:01:24 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 21 12:49:53 2012. The article states they were published in February. Therefore it's not a stretch to expect the poll that generated those stats occurred somewhat earlier. Try reading it.The significant change WRT women came about AFTER that publication. Things have very much changed since then. Now we have republican women saying they're either voting Democratic or not at all. Women are out protesting the republican policy on healthcare and reproductive rights. 
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 21 13:11:44 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 21 13:01:24 2012. The article states they were published in February. No it does not (w.r.t. to the topic at hand). Try reading it. Therefore it's not a stretch to expect the poll that generated those stats occurred somewhat earlier. AGAIN, there's no need to be making guesses or ASSumptions about when the polling took place. Try READING it. Again. You make this too easy. The significant change WRT women came about AFTER that publication. Things have very much changed since then. Now we have republican women saying they're either voting Democratic or not at all. Women are out protesting the republican policy on healthcare and reproductive rights. Again, what basis do you have to claim that this "change" you speak of will have resulted in a significant change to the quoted statistics? Do you have proff showing that certain political issues have causes large scale change in party affiliation and gender makeup? Why don't you have anything to back up your claims, unlike Chris who actually posted stats? All you can do is post a photo? Based on this thread and a few more I've observed lately, I'm pretty much convinced that you do not take your posting seriously at all and there is really no point in trying to have an intellectual discussion with you. Sadly, this is just like how it is with SelkirkTMO. You two are not concerned about facts and intellectual honesty. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 21 13:56:07 2012, in response to Re: Arizona Follies 37: The Conservatives Infantilazation of Women Continues, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 21 13:11:44 2012. Actual contact with actual people. It's not a visible change like party affiliation is. It's an expression of disgust that issues settled in law years ago are still being dragged about, or up to begin with.http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/21/the-common-sense-catholics/?hp demonstrates this. I'm not interested in an "intellectual discussion" with you. I'm not Google. I have better things to do that find qwap for indignant posters that aren't interested in reading it to begin with. Not to neglect that Chris took this thread off the original topic,which was another regressive law against the interests and freedoms of adult US citizens that are female. Year old demographics of California voters has no place in a discussion of Arizona law, or the fact that *nationally* 53% of voters (those that actually register AND vote) are women. Tactics like modifying thew subject, making a whole magilla over related minutiae added in passing are typically used by those that do not have any standing within the actual debate, or do not want to be seen as against something as fundamental as universal contraceptive access for all adults that wish to partake. I am concerned with facts. RELEVANT facts. Chris offered none. |
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