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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012 No surprise here.Interactive Map yet these mooks still vote against themselves because of race issues. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:45:46 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. it's the rich people in those area's that vote for republicans not the poor people. |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:48:59 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. here's a book on the subject |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:50:23 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:45:46 2012. It's EVERYBODY in those areas that votes for Republicans.You think the GOP wins by large margins there because of the votes of 1% of the electorate? HAHAHAHAHA!! |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:51:46 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:48:59 2012. Here's another one. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:53:04 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:50:23 2012. It's EVERYBODY in those areas that votes for Republicans.no it's not read the book ignoramus You think the GOP wins by large margins there because of the votes of 1% of the electorate? no those above the median income aka the rich half of the population. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:54:17 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:51:46 2012. i've read both books one has data to back it up the other one doesn't |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:55:13 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:53:04 2012. no it's not read the book ignoramusYou really need to get out of NY. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 17 14:08:11 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. This includes all government benefits, not just welfare benefits. So many of these people aren't moochers at all.Social security and medicare are by no means perfectly funded, but there is a lot of justification for saying that recipients have paid for much of their benefits with premiums paid. And veterans benefits are a pension just like any private pension. The pension promise is part of the compensation the vets received when they were soldiers. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 14:08:22 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:55:13 2012. i've never lived in NY. the book i linked to is full of data rather anecdotes. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 17 16:41:21 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. How does Hillsborough County Florida compare to Queens or The Bronx. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 17 18:47:13 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 17 16:41:21 2012. It's uglier. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:45:46 2012. LOL!!!!Do you think these people or those like them are voting for Obama or Democrats? .jpg)
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 20:32:31 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 17 14:08:11 2012. This includes all government benefits, not just welfare benefits.Go back to the interactive map and click on the part on the left that says "income support". That's what we commonly refer to as "welfare". See where Mooch Counties are. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 20:37:30 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012. Dand's posts defy common sense. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 21:13:27 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012. what makes you think they're typical voters in every southern state democrats win poor voters. the areas where poor people vote Republican don't get many benifits according to the map SMAZ linked to except for the Indian reservations and the Hispanic parts of Texas and those area vote for Democrats |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 21:30:35 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 21:13:27 2012. Yep. Some hard-core Obama voters below. 
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 17 22:10:28 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012. lemme see. $20,000 motorcycles. Not poor, not necessarily rich. I'd say working class. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 17 22:14:17 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 21:13:27 2012. I look forward to an America where "people" like you are removed from society. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 17 22:17:37 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 20:37:30 2012. Libertarians are only useful for forced labor. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 17 22:19:08 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 21:30:35 2012. what a weak response to a good post from danD124. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 18 00:16:43 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 21:13:27 2012. No, there's plenty of poor Republicans to go around in those areas. don't insult our intelligence. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 17:21:24 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 21:13:27 2012. The graphs do not make any sense. For varying income segments purportedly reflected in the electoral maps to the left the 'Average income within the state' does not vary. One would expect that if each electoral map is indicating differing income, then the X axis of the accompanying graph would change. If the X axis only indicates the average income of all people within the state, not just those who are within the income group indicated by the map at left, then the regression is completely worthless because the X and Y axis are not dependent upon the same data set.Additionally, what counts as 'rich' or 'poor' in this thing? When was the data compiled? Where is the methodology behind this otherwise useless series of graphs? |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 18:32:07 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 17:21:24 2012. Hey Wilma, where is that information for the FBI? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 18 18:41:43 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 17 22:10:28 2012. Okay. Them then.... :) 
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Feb 18 18:44:10 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. The people who bitch the most about entitlements are the ones receiving it. Most of those areas are in red states. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by PATHman on Sat Feb 18 18:45:04 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012. Looks like Train Dude's relatives. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 18:48:16 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 17:21:24 2012. For varying income segments purportedly reflected in the electoral maps to the left the 'Average income within the state' does not vary.that shows what is says the total average income of the state. . If the X axis only indicates the average income of all people within the state, not just those who are within the income group indicated by the map at left, then the regression is completely worthless because the X and Y axis are not dependent upon the same data set. it's not worthless it's showing the way that rich voters in rich states differ from voters in poor states. Additionally, what counts as 'rich' or 'poor' in this thing? poor voters are the 0-16th percentile middle income voters rich voters were the 95th-100th percentile. When was the data compiled? 2004 exit polls. Where is the methodology behind this otherwise useless series of graphs? if you want all the information get the book. it's interesting that you are more bothered by me posting a graph without a full explaination than you are by SMAZ posting stupid photos as evidence of his case. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Feb 18 18:49:11 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by PATHman on Sat Feb 18 18:44:10 2012. Yes, as old people vote red, and they receive social security. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 18 18:53:54 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by R30A on Sat Feb 18 18:49:11 2012. And as you can see from our "morans" right here ...
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 18 19:03:11 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 18 18:53:54 2012. LOL ! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:04:36 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 18 18:41:43 2012. HAHA!! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:05:49 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by PATHman on Sat Feb 18 18:44:10 2012. Not only that, but even within the Blue States, it's the red areas that are the moochers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 18 19:19:29 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 18 19:03:11 2012. I find republitards FAR more entertaining than anything on the talking lamp. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 18 19:20:09 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:04:36 2012. Ah, the Sanitorium vote. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 19:21:23 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Fri Feb 17 13:45:46 2012. No, the rich are increasingly voting Democrat. Those that can't afford to live under failed Democratic policies are voting Republican (or not at all) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:22:40 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 19:21:23 2012. Yes, life will be much more affordable for them without Medicare, Social Security, disability payments and education. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 19:24:06 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 18 19:21:23 2012. No, the rich are increasingly voting Democrat. Those that can't afford to live under failed Democratic policies are voting Republicanshow me one poll that back that up. it's interesting that both you SMAZ believe in the same fallacy. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Feb 18 19:25:10 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 18 19:19:29 2012. iawtp ! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:41:50 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 19:24:06 2012. it's interesting that both you SMAZ believe in the same fallacy.It's interesting that you believe that 60%+ of voters in Kentucky, Mississippi, West Virginia and Arkansas are rich. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 19:44:10 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 19:41:50 2012. It's interesting that you believe that 60%+ of voters in Kentucky, Mississippi, West Virginia and Arkansas are rich.where have i said that? i said the majority of voters in those states with incomes below the national income vote for Democrats. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:00:42 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 18:48:16 2012. that shows what is says the total average income of the state.it's not worthless it's showing the way that rich voters in rich states differ from voters in poor states. Then the data along the X axis should vary to reflect the income of the segment of the population reflected in the Y axis. Instead the relationship it attempts to create through its extremely weakly correlated relationships is simply internally invalid. 2004 exit polls. Great, eight years ago. So lets use data from 1992 to predict the 2000 elections. bothered by me posting a graph without a full explaination Because the conclusion which you attempt to draw with that graph is not supported by the invalid nature of those graphs. If you're referring to SMAZ's OP in this thread then that is simply data from which one can draw their own conclusions. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:04:10 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 18 18:32:07 2012. As noted at the time you're stupid enough to claim the FBI is responsible for pursuing something the IRS would address, and they're already more than well aware of the problem. If you're in denial of the fact that tax breaks to the rich are funneled offshore then that's your problem. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 20:15:35 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:00:42 2012. Then the data along the X axis should vary to reflect the income of the segment of the population reflected in the Y axis. why the data is trying to show that rich voters in poor states are more likely to vote republican than rich voters in rich states. to prove that point what matters is the income level for the state as whole rather than for that particular income segment. Great, eight years ago. So lets use data from 1992 to predict the 2000 elections. the book was published before the 2008 election. if you have evidence that things have change post it, if not STFU Because the conclusion which you attempt to draw with that graph is not supported by the invalid nature of those graphs. the is nothing invalid about the graphs. i post the graphic more for the map than the graphs anyway. If you're referring to SMAZ's OP in this thread then that is simply data from which one can draw their own conclusions. smaz was drawing a conclusion without the evidence to back it up, that because areas that are more likely to vote Republican have more people who get on welfare that there for it is the people on welfare voting republican. that data I'm posting shows that it is the rich people in the places with lots of people on welfare that more likely to vote Republican not the people on welfare. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:19:47 2012, in response to Mooch County USA, posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 17 13:44:11 2012. Damn I knew they were pathetic but I didn't know it was that bad. And this data doesn't even get into the vast disparity in Federal allocations between the productive blue states and the mooching red states. As always, if the Republicans in their TeaTard guise want to reduce the budget and eliminate entitlement programs, they should start with the ones their constituents are receiving. |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 20:29:53 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:19:47 2012. As always, if the Republicans in their TeaTard guise want to reduce the budget and eliminate entitlement programs, they should start with the ones their constituents are receiving.when they did that this past summer with the Essential Air Service Program the democrats opposed it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Feb 18 20:30:53 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:19:47 2012. Yep.And the graph only deals with direct individual cash or cash-like transfers. It doesn't even get into the pork barrel, indirect welfare, defense spending, farm subsidies, hurricane insurance and the amount of total tax money spent for all things versus what is gotten back. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:52:50 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 20:15:35 2012. why the data is trying to show that rich voters in poor states are more likely to vote republican than rich voters in rich states. to prove that point what matters is the income level for the state as whole rather than for that particular income segment.That conclusion is not internally valid for the data offered in this instance. You have a correlation, but cannot draw the conclusion you're claiming from it. Without knowing the sizes of the populations for each of the income groups in each of the states, amongst other things, it is impossible to know whether the data as it has been presented supports to conclusion you claim it does. smaz was drawing a conclusion without the evidence to back it up, that because areas that are more likely to vote Republican have more people who get on welfare that there for it is the people on welfare voting republican. that data I'm posting shows that it is the rich people in the places with lots of people on welfare that more likely to vote Republican not the people on welfare. SMAZ may have drawn a conclusion, but he also linked to all the data he used to reach that conclusion. You can read the same thing and reach a different conclusion, something not possible with the horribly constructed graphs you attempted to use to support your case. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by dand124 on Sat Feb 18 21:12:43 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by WillD on Sat Feb 18 20:52:50 2012. Without knowing the sizes of the populations for each of the income groups in each of the statesWhy is that relevant? What matters isn’t the number of people in the income group it’s how the income groups votes. This thread isn’t about the number of rich people in red states. SMAZ may have drawn a conclusion, but he also linked to all the data he used to reach that conclusion Except he provided absolutely no evidence that the people receiving government benefits are the one voting republican. You can read the same thing and reach a different conclusion, something not possible with the horribly constructed graphs you attempted to use to support your case. You’re either and idiot or intellectually dishonest I said in the post you were responding to that I posted that graphic for the map more than the graph but you chose to ignore that information. I also posted a link to the book with far more information just because information doesn’t exist online doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. And while I hate playing the credential card the book and the graph created by a professor of Political science at Columbia. |
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Re: Mooch County USA |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 18 21:41:24 2012, in response to Re: Mooch County USA, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 17 19:43:58 2012. do you think we care? |
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