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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005 Some questions are now being asked in if the President can improve his image and what it would take? From an unbias standpoint regarding Iraq, I believe all he has to do is add the troops the General said they need and improve their infrastructure as he promised while helping them build their government. I would then make sure he makes national security a priority in authorizing and pushing in all the changes outlined by Homeland Security, and present a clear plan for Katrina and let the public knows he cares, tighten the borders and charge corporations violating hiring non citizens and undocumented workers, and then remove the pork he authorized. Finally simplify the drug program. I'm not sure why that is a problem for him.By Richard Reeves Fri Dec 2, 8:13 PM ET PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..." But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out. "No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with." Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times. But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual. Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property. He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents. There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan. This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record: # He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process; # He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich; # He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state; # He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign; # He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida); # He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity; # He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress; # He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime. Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney. When a President goes to war and calls it a pre-emptive war, you would think he would have valid information checked and re-checked to back himself up. When all that rationale has been thrown out and he's still gun ho in killing the enemy when you no longer know who they are-it's difficult to justify the sanity. You have the government throwing out 9,000 computers minimum a year. With the baby boomers about to retire and now retiring, simple solutions like taking those computers to correctional instititions and teaching the prisoners how to use them and can skills in programming ect would help fill the gaps that show there simply aren't enough bodies that are going to be able to fill the current work force. My main issue is the President has spent so much on pork and is not trying to find creative solutions to solve problems that would cost no extra money at all to solve. As the population ages, we are going to see a lot of old people driving with a lot of medical problems and poor driving skills that will be a greater problem on the roads. Without investment in out transportation infrastructure, we are going to face some problems. Border protection is a problem. I personally see debt problem getting worse, creative solutions getting drowned out, and a agenda to push poorly thought out agendas using illegal tax payer funds to advertise. Even as to war progressed, Rumsfeld has misjudged every single option he had. On top of that you have scandal after scandal administrative staff literally getting cuffed in the white house, west wing. This a long with the highest ranking members of congress of the same party and more coming is already historic on a major league level. I would say anytime a Presidents reasons for going to war prove false, you have a problem. It is my belief, history will show he went to war for oil and another US attempt to control the region and his spending in porportion of the GNP made no sense and hurt the people that needed it most. I also see the department of Homeland security being created largely as being unnessary and because the administration is reasoning for telling the public why they went to war and then try coving up the real reason force the Prseident to capitulate to creating an entirely knew security agency that was not necessary. The Enron, Energy meeting and funding given to help them all they way to the last day before the scandal hit. And no-bid give aways and collecting payoffs. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 02:09:10 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. My answer to your question in your title is YES. |
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Posted by CANAM on Mon Dec 5 02:20:05 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 5 02:09:10 2005. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 06:24:06 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. Easily. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 06:39:36 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. Hell, no.The worst President ever was Jimmuh Carter. I remember the Carter years vividly - skyrocketing inflation, consumer skepticism, lowered expectations, a "great malaise." Lets not even get started on how he bungled the Iran hostage crisis. Runners up (in my memory): Bush 41, for being out of touch with the common American; and LBJ, for jacking up the Vietnam involvement. Gerald Ford was no great shakes either, but he had the job thrust upon him. Guys on the lunatic fringe like BIE are probably about 12 years old and can't remember anything before 2000. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 06:42:40 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. This younger Bush may not be a good president, but he is by no means the WORST one when you look at history.I would say that there are a few worse presidemns, however, with the second worst being Reagan and Reaganomics which sent this country into a recession path (which he escaped blame for only because of term limits, and which ruined the elder Bush's one term in office), and massive borrowing when not necessary to rebuild the country (which is why FDR is not a bad president, he was trying various fixes to a broke system). The WORST president ever, however, has to be Herbert Hoover, under whom our economic system collapsed, causing likewise to happen worldwide. And while Bush may be incompetent, Hoover took the cake in this category. Even if FDR didn't run, he would have been one and done anyway. Hoover basically sat back and did NOTHING, not even react, to try to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING, to try to remedy the problem that became the Depression. HOOVER was the ULTIMATE waste of space. Buchanan would likely be behind him, with a dishonorable mention to Andrew "Cronyism's Father" Jackson. Yes, Bush may be in the bottom fourth in terms of presidents and how good they were, but he is NOT the worst. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 06:44:57 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 06:39:36 2005. Herbert Hoover was worse than ANY president, EVER; he is the definition of DEAD WEIGHT. Bush the elder was a victim of bad timing, as Reagan's (and also some of Carter's) problems came to roost on him. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 07:27:29 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 06:39:36 2005. jimmy carter ''inherited'' -inflation-consumer skepticism-lowered expectations- etc...from the ''nixon-ford'' years eisenhower-kennedy help start vietnam but kennedy planned to ''pull-out'' i would like to have the jimmy carter years BACK the ceta jobs programs and social programs being left alone at least jimmy carter PARDONED all vietnam draft resisters avoiders!! and wiped the slate CLEAN for all of us now he is the best ex president of all of em alive now to me the regan-bush-clinton-bush w- error was the worst !! but the all time winner is GEORGE W BUSH worst president of all time ( much worse than regan ) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 07:28:58 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 06:42:40 2005. yet .............history will tell on him big time |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 07:48:11 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 07:27:29 2005. "at least jimmy carter PARDONED all vietnam draft resisters avoiders!!"If you believe that pardoning draft DODGERS (which is what they are, your PC euphemisms aside) is a good thing, that's all anyone needs to know about your political point of view. Anyone who wants the Carter years back has to either be a hopeless lefty loon or insane. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 09:04:44 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 07:48:11 2005. first a question to you .................how much do you know about the---- ''vietnam war'' and did you know how wrong it is and was ? i start with that first before i respond to your 'dodger' statement |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 5 09:31:22 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 06:44:57 2005. Many also say Hoover was a victim of bad timing. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 09:39:00 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Dec 5 09:31:22 2005. leftovers from the idiot coolidge. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 5 09:58:49 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. I'd put him right up there with Reagan. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 10:34:52 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 09:04:44 2005. Its hard for me to quantify how much I know about the Vietnam War. Suffice it to say that I know enough about it to know that pardoning draft dodgers condones behavior detrimental to the country.What the Vietnam War was about depends on your point of view. From the vantage point of the North and the Viet Cong, it was about imperialist interference by the United States to the North's efforts to reunify the country (under the North's system of government, of course, which was communism). From the South's point of view, it was a struggle against a communist takeover, which at the time was a legitimate fear, given what had occurred in the '50s. President Kennedy had stated openly that he felt that South Vietnam was a crucial democratic ally to the west and needed to be protected. LBJ continued Kennedy's policy and expanded it. Nixon expanded it further before starting a pullout. What was the result of the US' loss of the Vietnam War? Millions of dead Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians at the hands of Pol Pot and North Vietnam. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Mon Dec 5 11:17:14 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 09:39:00 2005. Couldn't Harding be considered a bad president as well, in the sense that he really wasn't fit for the job? Scandals such as the Teapot Dome come to mind as well... |
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Posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 13:01:23 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 06:39:36 2005. I whole hardily agree..........Carter was the absolute worst there was......The hostage crisis for one and did u forget that he didnt spend a "DIME" on defense.......We were light years ahead of the Soviets and during his 4 yrs of stupidness he let them catch up. He was a complete liberal.....made Israel give back the Sinai even though they lost thousands of soldiers taking it? Too much of peace makers in a violent world......... |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 13:08:05 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by mr_brian on Mon Dec 5 11:17:14 2005. Yes, the string of three corrupt presidents which followed Woodrow Wilson should have taught the country that the post taft republican party was all about further enriching the powerful at the expense of everyone else. Republican positions on issues such as abortion and gay rights are just examples of taking an unconstitutional but popular stand on fractuous issues just to get the sheeple to vote against their own best interests. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 13:14:46 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 13:01:23 2005. Your ignorance is breathtaking. Israel traded a huge empty undefendable desert for a peace treaty with Egypt which still stands. It is interesting to note that EVERY hardline Israeli PM there ever was except Netanyahu has turned into a peacemaker. |
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Posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 13:46:35 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 13:14:46 2005. No,It is ur ignorance. YES they did trade "land for peace". Is that a great policy? YES they did defend it, held it, and had lots of settlers in it who didnt want to leave their homes,(Yamit for example does that ring a bell?)and in addition, the Sinai had oil in it and lots and i mean lots of other natural resourses in it to keep Isr. more independant. Under the pressure of the US it was given back. Do u think if Egy. had taken control of the southern half of Isr., would trade it back for peace?....I think not!!!! Could u imagine....the American Indian traded "land for peace" look what happened to them!!!!! What is the difference between Israel and how the US was created? Israel is only 50+ yrs old and the US 200+. Both have/had to be aggresive to exist in their situations. I am no advocate of war. I think it truely sux. Parents losing their children. But ya have to live in reality. As to "was is" and what "has to be". |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Dec 5 13:58:25 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 13:08:05 2005. Republican positions on issues such as abortion and gay rights are just examples of taking an unconstitutional but popular stand on fractuous issues just to get the sheeple to vote against their own best interests.It worked with prohibition. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 5 14:04:52 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Dec 5 13:58:25 2005. Prohibition's still legal? |
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Posted by joe c on Mon Dec 5 14:31:39 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. He is the worst president.til next time |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Mon Dec 5 14:34:34 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by joe c on Mon Dec 5 14:31:39 2005. At least be specific on why. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:49:44 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. A lot of the "assumptions" here are crap: - The war in Iraq isn't "unwinnable" - Tax cuts do not increase the deficit. Spending does - Unemployment has actually dropped during the Bush presidency - Not one single "misleading" statement can be attributed to him. Being proven wrong by events and telling a lie are 2 different things I'm not sure where you cut & pasted this gigantic piece of crap, but please refrain from polluting this board with further "quotations" from it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:51:05 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 06:39:36 2005. Carter is one. Clinton as well. 9/11 is the legacy to Clinton's failure. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:54:45 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 5 06:42:40 2005. You are an economic moron. Reagan proved that supply-side economics work. Reagan was no saint, but stop bashing him with bullshit easily rebutted by statistics. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:55:53 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Mon Dec 5 14:34:34 2005. Why bother? Choose your battles with more worthwhile adversaries. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 14:57:19 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 09:39:00 2005. Boy, is there anyone you don't detest? |
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Posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 14:58:22 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:54:45 2005. Reagan was more of a peacemaker than Carter. Reagan killed the USSR w/o firing one shot.....simple he bankrupted them(STAR WARS) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:59:48 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 14:58:22 2005. Yup. Although I never quite knew whether Reagan really believed in Star Wars or if he was "selling" it very well to the Soviets. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:02:01 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 13:46:35 2005. Why is it that Begin, Rabin and now Sharon among MANY others have abandoned the hard line tactics that get nowhere. Those "Settlers" had no business in the Sinai and you are just regurgitating failed hard right rhetoric. baruch goldstein KILLED the best hope Israel ever had for a real peace. |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Mon Dec 5 15:02:30 2005, in response to IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 01:36:56 2005. I'm not sure how you quantify "worst" since it's so highly subjective. Even something like our national deficit isn't universally seen as a bad thing.What seems much easier to quanitfy-- since all you have to do is some hard-core bean counting-- is that he IS extremely disliked. Most of this country dislikes him-- and, of course, most of the rest of the world. Bush knows how unpopular and disliked he is-- noting in Argentina that it's "very hard" to organize and run international meetings, especially when "someone like me" is in attendance. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:03:41 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Dec 5 09:04:44 2005. My uncle was exposed to Agent Orange and had a massive heart attack in 1975....at the age of 28. Does this give me the moral authority to tell you and all the other Vietnam era draft dodgers to go to hell? |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:05:23 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:03:41 2005. It also gives you the moral authority to tell Dow Chemical to go to hell but you probably worship them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:06:19 2005, in response to Worst?? or most Disliked?, posted by UWS Greg on Mon Dec 5 15:02:30 2005. Most disliked? That would probably be Nixon, who had an approval rating around 27% the month he resigned. Lincoln was hated with a passion that would make most Bush bashers look like the "loyal opposition". Both Carter and Clinton had approval ratings in the low 30's at times, something Bush has never done. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:07:18 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:05:23 2005. No, but I don't equate personal tragedy to national security. |
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Posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 15:15:46 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:02:01 2005. Really NO business being there in the first place? Do u REALLY think that these people moved there on their own without permission? NO permits? NO assistance from the government? These "settlers" have their own bulldozers?(something that eveyone here has in their backyard's) and the financial means to make life, where no life has been before?(not quoting of star trek here....lol)no subsidies(sp?)?As for the right wingers who long for peace in the end, seem to always change? Ur right they do after pressure from the US. Also the one who killed Baruch was declared mentally instable(lunatic)not in his right mind. Same as any other like Oswald,Ruby, SurhanSurhan. As for being real peace, ur a "schmuck".....u DONT TRADE LAND FOR PEACE I guess u replied w/o reading the prior post.....thus confirming my suspicion about u!!!!! |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:26:54 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 5 14:04:52 2005. Maybe in some parts of Utah. I dunno. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:32:27 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 15:15:46 2005. Right wing policy= FAILURE |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:43:56 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:32:27 2005. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Probably more often no than yes - conservatives are pretty intelligent thinkers and philosophers, but they don't listen to scientists or the poor as often as they should. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:44:39 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:43:56 2005. I meant more often yes than no! (silly me) |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:45:27 2005, in response to Re: Worst?? or most Disliked?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:06:19 2005. Lincoln was hated with a passion that would make most Bush bashers look like the "loyal opposition"." True enough, America may be divided now but no one is suggesting we have another Battle of Antietam. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:47:22 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:07:18 2005. Vietnam had nothing to do with National Security, Any attempt to say otherwise is the worst form of historical revisionism. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:50:14 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Dec 5 07:48:11 2005. Funny. When talking about pardons, I thought it's usually Ford that gets the heat, for pardoning Richard Nixon. |
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Posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 15:52:08 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:32:27 2005. Ur such a dork(sorry...)Isr. has piece right? Thats why the suicide bombers continue to blow themselves up. They consistantly target civilians...malls, schools, need I go on? Isr. has given land for peace if u say its working then its working. Thats exactly what the Palestinians want. Land for peace, land for peace, land for piece, land for piece. By the time Isr. has given up land for piece according to u and ur theories they will be back to the 1948? land that was allocated to them by the United Nations or was it the League of Nations...i forget. Then a warm fart could pass thru it, smelling it from one side to the other. Look at he 1948 map!!! I am not anti-Palestinian, but there are 1,000,000 of their brothers living to the east in Jordan and Syria. Let them live there amongst their brothers. They will be happy, no infadels to live with!!! This situations is not anything like the situations where my own realtives in Cyprus were ejected out of their own homes by the Turkish army in 1974. My family and generations have lived there for thousands of yrs as far as I know(during the yrs Christ walked the earth) Unlike the Palestinians who were wanderers and say that they have a rightful claim to the land. . |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:53:04 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:43:56 2005. Bullshit. Not all conservatives are fundamentalists. Some love science. Some conservatives can seperate science and politics better than liberals. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:53:52 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by BIE on Mon Dec 5 15:47:22 2005. Why? Because you say so? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:55:10 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Dec 5 15:50:14 2005. It should be Clinton, who let almost every one of his cronies off after the 2000 election. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 15:56:23 2005, in response to Re: IS GEORGE BUSH THE WORST PRESIDENT -- EVER, posted by Flushing Line 7 on Mon Dec 5 15:52:08 2005. I am not anti-Palestinian, but there are 1,000,000 of their brothers living to the east in Jordan and Syria. Let them live there amongst their brothers. They will be happy, no infadels to live with!!! Their "brothers" want nothing to do with them. |
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