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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:21:53 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:19:01 2011.

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I have no intention of preaching abstinence education, so it would not be hypocritical like it was for Palin.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:21:59 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:16:57 2011.

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Obama has Muslim roots.

I don't think that he's a "Secret Muslim", but he certainly self-identified as one as a child. He didn't become a Christian until much later in life. Before then, his only interaction with religion was with Islam.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:22:57 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 21:45:00 2011.

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seriously kev, I know you say you don't take this stuff seriously and I believe you but the level of maturity of your responses is on a sharp downward curve - really.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:23:17 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:21:59 2011.

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He has Muslim roots like I have communist roots.

How do you know he SELF-identified as a Muslim as a child? Did you fill out your own school enrollment forms when you were 6?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:24:00 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:15:10 2011.

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I would imagine that if you gave out more and more condoms to teens, that they would be far more likely to engage in intercourse.

From there, the next step is to go natural, either because the condom is uncomfortable, or one partner wants to try it that way.



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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:24:47 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:21:53 2011.

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That's non-responsive and you know it. You will obviously teach your children that its wrong to steal, right? Well what happens when one gets caught shoplifting or riding in a stolen car. Does that mean that you as a parent are a hypocrite and a failure?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:26:18 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:13:05 2011.

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Giving kids the information they need and the knowledge that a LOT is involved is better than that "just say no" crap. When kids understand how sex complicates relationships,the responsibilities involved they will shy away from it. That's not what "abstinence education " does. It fills their heads with all sorts of misconceptions that inevitably end up creating a conception since they don't know how to handle sex in a relationship or even how to protect themselves.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:27:19 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:24:00 2011.

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I would imagine that if you gave out more and more condoms to teens, that they would be far more likely to engage in intercourse.

If your goal is solely to limit intercourse, because it's some evil thing, then yes, you shouldn't give out condoms. However I would much rather more teenagers have intercourse if it means fewer of them get pregnant or a venereal disease.*

From there, the next step is to go natural, either because the condom is uncomfortable, or one partner wants to try it that way.

Perfectly fine if the girl goes on the pill and they're not promiscuous.

*Yeah, I like that term better.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:30:32 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:24:00 2011.

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Actually they've found the opposite is true. They carry them around so people *think* they're having sex. Meanwhile, those that are are also more inclined to use them, keeping themselves protected.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:31:52 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:24:47 2011.

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I would consider myself a failure in that case.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:32:11 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:26:18 2011.

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LOL @ you bingbong because I always thought that "Just say no", was a way to fight off an aggressive boyfriend. A little different than teaching abstinence.

Did your mother give you or your boyfriend condoms when you were 15? Tell you to make sure your partners know they have to "pull out"? Coordinate sex with your cycle to reduce chances of pregnancy?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:37:12 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:30:32 2011.

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If you're in a long term relationship, and trust your partner you'll stop using them. Most likely the guy will "pull out".

I'm against "abstinence only" sex ed anyway. Kids should learn about coitus interruptus, condoms, and abstinence.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:37:16 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:31:52 2011.

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Shame on you, then. So if your child was caught shop lifting, that would disqualify you from becoming president? If your child got drunk on a Friday night and puked his guts out in the subway and ended up n the ER would that mean that you should never hold elected office? You can only impart the knowledge and wisdom to your children. You cannot make them follow it. You will no more be a success if your children follow your teachings than a failure if they do not. You will still be a parent who did the best that he could.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:38:11 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:32:11 2011.

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I wasn't having sex at 15.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:39:13 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:37:12 2011.

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"Abstinence only" is *all*the RW will permit. Along with all the lies.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:40:28 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:38:11 2011.

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Let's up it to 16 and imagine you're living in PA where that's the legal age. What would you do if your daughter told you that she had sex with her boyfriend? You'd probably panic and find ways to break up the relationship and make sure that they're not alone anymore. The last thing you would do is ask them to use protection in the future.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:47:33 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:37:16 2011.

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Shame on you, then. So if your child was caught shop lifting, that would disqualify you from becoming president?

No, it would not disqualify me but I would never vote for someone in that situation except tactically.

If your child got drunk on a Friday night and puked his guts out in the subway and ended up n the ER would that mean that you should never hold elected office?

That's not that bad.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:50:42 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by bingbong on Sat Apr 30 22:39:13 2011.

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Well, that's probably because, for religious reasons, many don't want their kids to learn about rubbers, "pull out", etc........

That said, I'm thinking to myself that most, not all, but most of the girls from my old Christian working-class neighborhood who got pregnant as teens or out of wedlock(as young adults) or were known to be promiscuous did indeed attend Catholic school, while I can think of only one girl from my public school who got pregnant.

Maybe it means nothing or maybe the strict Catholic upbringing may have it's faults. Keep in mind, many kids went to Catholic school simply to avoid public school, and not because they come from a religious household.

All this talk brings back memories of high school and my sex ed teacher Artie Cohen. I was in NY recently and ran into someone at London Lennie's who told me that he passed away. I was saddened to heat that.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 22:53:08 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:22:57 2011.

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Now why would I take your stuff seriously when all you ever do here is this?



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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 22:54:25 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 22:53:08 2011.

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LMAO

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:57:16 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:47:33 2011.

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Please, selkirk used to vilify the Bush twins for drinking. And if you would not vote for a person because their child got into trouble, I find that very juvenile

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 22:57:32 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 22:54:25 2011.

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Even funnier when there's dance music playing. :)

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 22:58:07 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 22:57:32 2011.

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yep

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 30 22:58:51 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 30 20:39:43 2011.

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It's an AP story. Who could they be "bashing"?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 30 23:00:26 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:09:58 2011.

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You sure that was Christianity he found?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:00:32 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 21:52:59 2011.

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Why don't you also talk about the indiscriminate black male who fathers children by several women and support none of them?

Not right either, but I can’t really use him as a good example of failed policy because he has been dead a good number of years. Of course, if the mothers had had the benefit of good birth control information, maybe Obama Sr wouldn’t have been the father of several children by different women.

Try to keep to the subject here Steve, please.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 30 23:02:44 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 21:25:45 2011.

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Meanwhile, China has the biggest Iraqi oil contract . . . so is it about the oil for the leftest* of the left?

* As in "most left".

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:03:25 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 22:50:42 2011.

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I think you just demonstrated to yourself the problems with abstinence-only or no sex education.

Congratulations.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:03:34 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:57:16 2011.

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Didn't vilify them at all ... merely found it humorous how republican parents, so upstanding and all, couldn't control their own children until they left the house ... if Bush wasn't so "conservative" it wouldn't have made any difference at all. But pompous assholes do tickle my schadenfreude ...

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:05:05 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:47:33 2011.

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If your child got drunk on a Friday night and puked his guts out in the subway and ended up n the ER would that mean that you should never hold elected office?

Oops, except for the subway part, did you just suggest that Bush was morally disqualified for public office?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:05:54 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 30 23:02:44 2011.

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Bush and Cheney worked that all out ... Halliburton even got the contract to deliver it. But of course, it's Carter's fault ...

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:06:58 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:03:25 2011.

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The Nuns *did* try to warn them not to wear patent leather shoes or this would be the outcome. :)

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 23:07:22 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:05:54 2011.

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sure it is CARTERS fault

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:07:56 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 23:07:22 2011.

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Him and his damnable little liver pills! :)

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 30 23:09:38 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:07:56 2011.

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IAWTP !

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:21:41 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:03:25 2011.

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Still, read my response to bingbong.

Imagine a 16 year-old girl in a non-religious household. Her parents find out that she's having sex with her boyfriend. Do you think they'll freak out? Of course they will.

The girl could argue, "But mom, we use condoms", or "I'm on the pill" and I can promise you that won't end the argument. The parents, like good parents, will still do their best to make sure that their daughter isn't alone with the guy and will do whatever they can to prevent future sexual encounters. And this would be true even in a liberal Palin-hating household in Massachusetts, Maryland, or Long Island.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:23:32 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:03:34 2011.

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When you become a parent - let me know how easy it is.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:24:25 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:23:32 2011.

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He claims quinoa has left him bulletless.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:28:12 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:21:41 2011.

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And this has exactly what to do with the argument?

Not that I disagree with your hypothesis about the likely outcome.



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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:30:03 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:23:32 2011.

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Gee ... the Clintons raised a good daughter who never gave the press anything to yammer about. Contrast and compare to the party of morals. Heh.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:30:33 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:47:33 2011.

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Morris, your thinking seems to me to be convoluted. The educational process goes from the parent to the child, not the other way around. So if you have the most high-minded parents who do their best to impart strict moral and ethical values to their children, but one of the children, because of external influences, fails to follow those teachings, you'd blame the parents??? I don't see the logic. Lets try it the other way around. Two parents with questionable ethics and morals have a child. Would you then not vote for that child based solely on the questionable behavior of the parents? Think about it.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:30:50 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:03:34 2011.

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All parents, even liberal, want their children to abstain.



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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:31:22 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Apr 30 22:00:48 2011.

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If one of his daughters has a child out of wedlock before turning 18,… and he advocated abstinence before marriage, etc, etc.

There’s a critical part to this argument you missed.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:31:31 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 22:53:08 2011.

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I see you are reverting to your usual saturday nite assholeisms.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:31:58 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:30:50 2011.

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And some parents aren't hypocrites and remarkably, their children DO grow up without becoming buttholes ...

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:33:35 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:00:32 2011.

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I am, john - exactly the subject that you brought up. Of course if you want to limit the discussion to a teenage girl "spreading her legs" then perhaps you need to find someone else who is willing to come down to your level.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by johnl on Sat Apr 30 23:33:53 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 22:02:24 2011.

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If Sarah Palin had educated her daughter about safe sex and contraception, and advised her honestly about sex, the probability of the pregnancy would be much less.

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:34:03 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:31:31 2011.

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Ah yes ... it IS Saturday, and here you are ...



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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Apr 30 23:37:08 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Apr 30 23:31:58 2011.

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How is it hypocritical?

Did you ever give the pill or a condom to your daughter or lend them your bedroom to have sex?

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Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''.

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Apr 30 23:37:36 2011, in response to Re: Harvard Forced Obama Sr. Out: ''Couldn't figure out how many wives he had''., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 30 23:02:44 2011.

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I see the regularly scheduled idiot circle-jerk already follows your statement. No use in agreeing with you. Beavis and Butthead have spoken.



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