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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 17:33:21 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Mar 2 17:28:52 2011. We're talking about racism.Osmosis Jones and others seem to think that anything that will benefit or be used by blacks is opposed. This project which includes housing and an NHL team as a primary tenant is being opposed. If the Nets were the Coliseum's primary tenant, well, you know what angle Osmosis Jones would be using. That's my point. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011, in response to "Progressive" Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 17:15:38 2011. From Gawker :"As the huge (largest-ever in Brooklyn) and controversial Atlantic Yards development project, adjacent to some of Brooklyn's most bobo-filled enclaves, makes further progress, the level of hysteria rises and rises. The latest story has a group of Park Slope residents freaking out about a new bar opening in their neighborhood (in anticipation of arena crowds supposedly) that they fear will dare to play hip-hop music. A place called Prime 6 is planning to open at Flatbush and 6th Avenue, close to the Barclays Center, the centerpiece of the Atlantic Yards project and the future home of various sports teams (hockey and basketball), but also near the comfy shire where white thirtysomethings have decided to settle their weary, Wilco-swaddled bones. A(n albeit small) group of residents has signed a petition protesting this place, as they assume it will play loud hip-hop music, thus catering to a certain element they don't want in their precious, refurbished and bird-decorated 'hood. From Curbed: The latest chapter in the saga, Fucked in Park Slope points out, is one resident's apparently serious attempt to get Prime 6's owner to opt for indie rock over hip-hop. And nope, race has nothing to do with it. The Sloper's online petition, which currently has 15 signatures, states that Prime 6 has a right to exist, but would "see far more financial success as a different kind of nightlife establishment." On the neighborhood impact: "It's not 'racist' to equate hip-hop with an elevated crime rate vis a vi other types of musical genres - It's just a statistical fact that crime is more likely to occur among urban audiences than among audiences of other demographics." "Urban audiences," says a person who lives in Brooklyn and is therefore themselves urban. So what does "urban" really mean? Well. I think we can guess! (The petition also self-confidently states: "I don't think anyone would deny that Park Slopers are about the least 'racist' people on the planet.") Say what you will about the bad aspects of the Yards project — other bars are getting cheesy makeovers that will, in theory, better appeal to a stadium crowd, general foot and car traffic is bound to get unpleasantly heavy, etc. — but, as these gentle-eared Slopers should well know, for better or for worse, sometimes neighborhoods change." From Fucked in Park Slope: "Sorry Park Slope: this is the kind of thing that makes me want to move to NJ and live in a white community that ADMITS they're racist. Apparently this "petition" has been floating around facebook since yesterday; and I'm embarrassed to see that a few douchebags have actually SIGNED it. The gist of it is that this retarded park slope yenta (non jewish? thank g-d) is trying to convince the owners of that new controversial bar on Flatbush, Prime 6, to "embrace indie music" instead of hip hop. If you read between the lines, the none-too-subtle message is that she'd rather have white guys in flannels standing around her patio than hard hittin' brothas with blow-torches and pairs a' pliers. Boogity Boogity Boogity, Jennifer!!! The blacks are comin' and they're gonna GETCHA!!! Brooklyn Nets! Hoo. Ha. Hoo. Ha. Say goodbye to property values! Here they come! Yo, Flatbush KFC is next son, HOLLA! Clueless fucking cunt. p.s. Check out vids of Jennifer's homies protesting shit at the Community Board meeting on Monday night here." From PetitionBuzz: "SEND THE MESSAGE TO PRIME 6: Indie Music Will Earn You More Than Hip-Hop!!! My name is Jennifer McMillen, and I live only a few doors down from the proposed site of Prime 6. Like most of the folks at the CB6 meeting on Monday night, I too have been concerned about the impending entrance of Prime 6 into our community and our daily lives. I'm not generally the type of person that speaks up, (I remained silent during the entire Monday night meeting), but in this situation, I'm hopeful that I've stumbled onto a solution that makes so much sense for *both* parties that I'm beyond excited to share it with all of you. First, let me explain what's at the heart of this conflict: I know for a fact that there's no single type of establishment (or type of bar/club patron for that matter) that Park Slopers would inherently view as "undesirable." I don't think anyone would deny that Park Slopers are about the least "racist" people on the planet. What IS causing strife in this situation is that over the last ten years, Park Slope has become a family-oriented and family-centric community. This can be annoying at times - believe me, as someone who has chosen not to have children, I'm more than aware of the self-entitled attitude that often pervades parts of our community. Nevertheless, it's just a fact that in this neighborhood, family comes first. Prime 6 has to realize this - but at the same time - Park Slope families need to realize that this is a free country, and that Prime 6 has a right to exist. Furthermore, no one can legally stop the owners from doing what it is they're going to do. So here's the gist of my big idea: Isn't there some middle ground between this spot being a stroller repair shop and it being a full-on hip-hop club? No one can change the fact that Prime 6 WILL exist - they have their liquor license, and nothing's going to deter them from opening. BUT: What if owner Akiva Ofshtein could be convinced that his business will see far more financial success as a different kind of nightlife establishment. Instead of focussing on hip-hop and urban entertainment, what if Prime 6 embraced some of the more indie local artists of ALL races who live and perform in the area. It's not "racist" to equate hip-hop with an elevated crime rate vis a vi other types of musical genres - It's just a statistical fact that crime is more likely to occur among urban audiences than among audiences of other demographics. R&B and rap happen to be my two favorite types of music, but no one (especially my African American friends and colleagues) would seriously deny that hip-hop's violent history tragically precedes it. In addition, conveniently(!), we also happen to be in the middle of an unprecedented drought of live music. Seventh Ave has ZERO venues for live music by indie artists, and is absolutely ripe for the right type of establishment to come along and breathe life into the live music scene. The business owner who is able to do THAT will reap financial rewards far beyond what they could hope to earn by selling Henessey/etc to basketball fans after a Nets game. Not only will Akiva Ofshtein make more money by creating a sustainable business that uses social media to bring crowd-drawing acts to Prime 6, he'll also find that by working alongside the community he's joining, he'll build loyal allies in the neighbors around him - INSTEAD of the hostility we saw at the CB6 meeting and on the internet on Tuesday. After all, which one of Prime 6's direct neighbors wouldn't be forever grateful to Ofshtein for seeding a vibrant artistic hub instead of another Yo MTV Raps "bling-bling" vip club. As a Park slope resident that has lived steps from Flatbush avenue since 1998, I've seen the neighborhood change drastically in the last 12 years, and I'm well aware of the gentrification sensitivities that have been part of the neighborhood fabric for at least the last decade - so let me tell you first-hand: We've waited a long time to get to this point: for once, this isn't a question of race or even class. My hope is that artists and art-appreciators OF EVERY IMAGINABLE BACKGROUND will band together to make this happen - to that end, please tweet and tweet and re-tweet: sign this petition to let Prime 6's owner know what he stands to GAIN by embracing independent LIVE music; and by steering clear of processed, commercial noise. " What excuses do you guys have now? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 21:42:01 2011, in response to Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011. LOL @ at "15 signatures" and LOL @ you, Osmosis Jones. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 21:42:11 2011, in response to Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011. LOL @ at "15 signatures" and LOL @ you, Osmosis Jones. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 23:46:25 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 21:42:11 2011. Don't worry Luch, this is probably the one time on SubChat that I wanted to be wrong about something myself. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 00:42:04 2011, in response to Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011. It's racist. What's worse is that it is unwittingly racist (you guys should check out Denzel's first theatrical movie Carbon Copy some time). I like how the dude is going out of has way to use "urban" as a stand in for black even when he is urban himself (completely removing the meaning of the word in that sense)! You guys have indicated that many if not most hip-hop fans are white. But most people who embrace the hip-hop culture are black or brown (Latino). Worse, the black and brown ones are the ones to be concerned about.... |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 04:53:02 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 2 16:33:49 2011. You are really comparing the scale and scope of the Lighthouse project with some fucking bar in Brooklyn? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 08:24:56 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 00:42:04 2011. You'd be the first one to sign the petition. It's not about skin color. It's about hip-hop's recent violent history. Wanna have a debate about it's image? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 08:33:05 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 04:53:02 2011. Heh. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 08:39:02 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 08:33:05 2011. it's a valid point.if the Nets were the Coliseum's home team, and the project met opposition, the NBA players, fans and media would find racism in it. besides, as Osmosis Jones update points out, there are only 15 signatures on the petition. 15. That's hardly "opposition". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 08:42:12 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 04:53:02 2011. you don't think a "fucking bar" in Queens or Brooklyn ever met opposition from neighbors before? I guess not. It all started right now of course. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 09:57:43 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 08:39:02 2011. That wasn't the point. You were comparing the HUGE Nassau Lighthouse project to a bar in a storefront in Brooklyn? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 10:29:30 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 09:57:43 2011. That HUGE Lighthouse project would play the race card against opposition if an NBA team were the primary tenant. We know that for sure.But back to the bar, the residents have a legit concern, when you consider hip-hops recent track record. So many prominent names in the industry have been involved in shootings, and produce violent lyrics. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:40:35 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 10:29:30 2011. The HUGE Lighthouse project is at the edge of Hempstead, a Black Neighborhood. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:42:37 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:40:35 2011. Actually, it's surrounded by Black Neighborhoods on two sides. Hempstead is to the west of it, and Roosevelt is to the south of it. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 12:07:03 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 08:24:56 2011. It's not about skin color. It's about hip-hop's recent violent history.Actually, it is about skin color. Because hip-hop is not the source of the problem, not fundamentally anyway. If you noticed my post about Jamaica (West Indies, not Queens -- often called the Murder Capital of the World), or for that matter, places like Haiti or South Africa (once called the most dangerous place outside of a war zone), the problem is global. Unfortunately, the problem is black and brown people -- at least, a significantly larger share of them. Dark people the world over are more prone to crime. Perhaps because they sit in the IQ range of 70-90 (black American mean 85), the range shown in all races that are more prone to crime, or because of personality traits that are more common among dark people that are less common in other races, or perhaps those two facts are related (a freshly printed study even shows that on the county level, average IQ is predictive of crime rates even when controlling for things like poverty, unemployment and single motherhood), but regardless, that is the reality. White people are more comfortable around more accomplished blacks (Henry Louis Gates notwithstanding) -- ones that are more like them -- for not the least reason that those blacks are on the upper end of the IQ curve. They don't want to be associated with those that embrace hip-hop culture (which contain a higher mix of less intelligent and more violent blacks). Much like your crack about "Walmart whites", the general rule is that high IQ people don't want to be associated with low IQ people (and I'm starting to suspect that whites historically from Appalachia have lower IQ's -- for some reason or another -- than the general white average -- judging from the NAEP scores, I'd guesstimate that Appalachian whites have mean IQ's of 90-95 -- a little better than Latinos and Native Americans). I can't say I blame them too much, because neither do I; I left the South Bronx and moved to a town that is 99% white for a reason -- and I'm not particularly interested in moving to the South -- least of which Appalachia (which interestingly extends to at least northern Maine). I admit this in an interesting conundrum, because the last thing I'd want to do is find a justification for racism, and hopefully that's not quite what I'm doing. I fully believe that people should be judged as individuals (not for the least reason that in every group it's still a bell curve, so there always talented individuals -- and there are many other important traits besides IQ). But, railing against a place catering to "hip-hop" because it will attract a more disruptive, more dangerous group is a correct judgment statistically, and perhaps it is not wrong to not hold that against the residents. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 12:14:02 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 12:07:03 2011. I will respond later.And I don't remember coining the phrase "Walmart whites". |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 13:21:39 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 12:14:02 2011. I will respond later.OK, np. And I don't remember coining the phrase "Walmart whites". No, you're right it was Fred G that first mentioned Walmart. The exact phrase "Walmart whites" is apparently mine. :p But the concept the is pretty poignant. |
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Posted by Nova LFSA 1289 on Thu Mar 3 13:25:14 2011, in response to "Progressive" Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Feb 28 17:15:38 2011. So white liberals are just as racist as their conservative counterparts. Makes sense. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 3 13:30:34 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Feb 28 22:53:32 2011. They would welcome peaceful minorities...not thugs. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:28:17 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by Nova LFSA 1289 on Thu Mar 3 13:25:14 2011. Yes, you know the "tolerant" Democrats who claim to cater to Minorities, and are for their "betterment". Hypocrites are worse. At least minorities know where they stand with racist rightists. The racist leftists smile to their faces, use, exploit, and lie to them to take their votes, and then stab them in the back anyway. What a load of $hit. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 16:32:44 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:28:17 2011. Read my post to LuchAAA (here). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:40:59 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 12:07:03 2011. It's not about skin color. It's about the hip-hop culture. It's violent. Very violent. Very aggressive.You and Osmosis have to spin it to be about race because history is on your side, so it's the best ammo you have to win an argument that is about something totally different. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:43:41 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 13:21:39 2011. No, you're right it was Fred G that first mentioned Walmart. The exact phrase "Walmart whites" is apparently mine. :p But the concept the is pretty poignant.The fact that you confused me for Fred G is awesome for so many reasons. Fred obviously has his own issues with white people for saying that. Truth is, Walmart is America's biggest bodega chain and patronized heavily by people of color. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:24:35 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 10:29:30 2011. That HUGE Lighthouse project would play the race card against opposition if an NBA team were the primary tenant. We know that for sure.haha!! The only thing we know for sure is that the Nets were founded and started play in Nassau. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Mar 3 17:25:53 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:24:35 2011. Why do I get the idea that the Islanders are going to be moving to Brooklyn in the not too distant future? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:28:45 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by TonyG on Thu Mar 3 17:25:53 2011. I don't think the Islanders are moving to Brooklyn. I am an Islanders fan and love the Coliseum. I would never go to a game in Brooklyn when I visit NY. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:28:48 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by TonyG on Thu Mar 3 17:25:53 2011. I wish Arthur Ashe Stadium had been built with a basketball and hockey team in mind.Then all they would have had to do would be to build a retractable roof over it. It's good for basketball but I doubt it could have ever be converted to hockey. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:33:04 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:28:48 2011. excellent point.a few years ago, NY Parks hired a former concert promoter to run the stadiums. they planned on having concerts "In the Round" at the stadiums but nothing ever came of it. It's hard to rig without a roof. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:33:48 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:28:45 2011. The Coliseum is an obsolete dump and has been for at least 20 years. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:37:54 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:33:48 2011. It's a beautiful venue both inside and out. I love the sight lines. I love the parking lot and proximity to Queens by car. These new venues are too big and are built for luxury boxes with regular seating as an afterthought. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:40:06 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:33:04 2011. Had the Russian guy who owns the Nets pushed it, I'm sure he could have reached an accord with the USTA had he offered to build the roof. Along with some profit sharing from the games, they would have both made out like bandits.Then they could have teamed up with the Islanders people who could have offered to pay to make the place convertible for hockey. Ashe Stadium lies fallow almost the whole year as is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:03:19 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:33:48 2011. The Coliseum is an obsolete dump and has been for at least 20 years.Absolutely correct. I was just there when I brought my Godson to the Monster Truck rally a few weeks ago, and I remembered what an absolute DUMP that place is! The seats are so small they hurt. Ironically, the last time I saw the Islanders live was at the St Pete Times Forum in "Beautiful Downtown Tampa Bay" last year... :)   |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:04:30 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 17:37:54 2011. Beautiful! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:25:15 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:28:48 2011. Yes, I have been there a few times to see tennis when it was new, and also thought to myself it's such a waste, used for two weeks out of the year. It could have been much more if it had been built as you said. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 19:25:38 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:20:32 2011. what is wrong with that arena? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:33:13 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 19:25:38 2011. It's a dump. The seating areas are horrible. The whole place is an outdated place. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 19:37:31 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 19:33:13 2011. They can replace the seats without building a new venue.I will always love Nassau Coliseum. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 4 04:44:46 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:40:59 2011. LOL! JayMan's IQ posts would be accused of being racist by knee-jerk liberal types. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 04:48:57 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:40:59 2011. It's not about skin color. It's about the hip-hop culture. It's violent. Very violent. Very aggressive.Bullshit, you clearly know nothing about hip hop & need to stop generalizing its listeners. It's funny how people supposedly said the same thing about rock when it was primarily black in its early days until white people starting dominating rock & ironically made it even more violent by creating subgenres to it like metal. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 04:53:27 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by JayMan on Thu Mar 3 12:07:03 2011. But, railing against a place catering to "hip-hop" because it will attract a more disruptive, more dangerous group is a correct judgment statistically, and perhaps it is not wrong to not hold that against the residents.No it is not if your neighborhood already has bars with mostly white drunks violently stumbling out of them at night & pretends to be tolerant of all races. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:03:30 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:43:41 2011. LOL, thanks and I don't have issues with white people. I usually bring up WalMart people when I bring up slovenly obese people and that's pan-ethnic.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:05:40 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 1 20:10:34 2011. kd lang is awesome, truly a great voice.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 4 06:11:51 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Thu Mar 3 17:24:35 2011. False. The team started play in Teaneck, NJ. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:22:15 2011, in response to Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011. 15 signatures!!! WTF you think you've got a Magna Carta there? LMAO!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:28:14 2011, in response to Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 2 21:31:23 2011. The only thing I'm convinced of is this thread was bullshit. Just like we don't have to subscribe to biker culture, goth culture or gay culture, we don't have to subscribe to hip hop culture. Nothing sinister there.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 06:42:29 2011, in response to Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors, posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 1 20:19:18 2011. I was gonna say, I find it hard to believe that New Haven CT is the bastion of progressive grassroots rock n roll music. I say it's NYC.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors) |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 4 07:04:31 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri Mar 4 04:53:27 2011. You're equating a buncha drunks stumbling (violently?) to real violent behavior that's been exhibited at hip hop clubs. They don't equate. There are clubs and there are clubs. There are bars and there are biker bars. A regular bar will see a bar fight probably 10% of the time a biker bar does. It's got nothing to do with the bikes, nor the dress nor the hair length.Your also buying into Chris' propaganda that racism is somehow better if practiced out in the open. I'd say everyone is racist to a degree but to make bigoted generic statements like that is ridiculous. If it weren't for white liberals there'd be no Civil Rights Act. Third, you're wallowing in the pity pool over racism in this thread anyway as you've not shown any evidence of racism, no evidence of the majority in the neighborhood being against this club and no evidence of the neighborhoods social makeup other than hearsay. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 4 07:48:12 2011, in response to Re: Still not convinced? (Re: ''Progressive'' Park Slope shows its true colors), posted by LuchAAA on Thu Mar 3 16:43:41 2011. Truth is, Walmart is America's biggest bodega chain and patronized heavily by people of color.Depends on the neighborhood it's in, just like any other store. |
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