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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 10:57:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 08:48:12 2011. I can't find the menu for my own Chinese Restaurant online, but found a few that I never tried, and it's right there on the menu. This is only a quick random search, and the first online menu of a Restaurant I heard of I found. (I don't think this place is particularly the best though)http://m.allmenus.com/ny/brookhaven/229985-how-may-kitchen/menu/ |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 10:59:49 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 26 18:13:04 2011. And that is the proper way to run Democracy? What if all the Republicans had done that for the last two years every time the majority in control, the Democrats was passing their legislation?The Republicans in the California Assembly did it in 1994 to prevent Willie Brown from being elected Speaker. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:00:45 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 10:05:23 2011. Because that position on what abortion is is based on MY beliefs. It's not up to me to impose that view on other people. I respect that other people think differently than I do. It's not up to me to impose my thought on them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:01:54 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 10:11:16 2011. My view is my VIEW on abortion. I have NO RIGHT to impose that view on others, and especially on other people's bodies. I respect they have the right to have their own views and make their own decisions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:03:25 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 10:02:00 2011. Are you pro choice, or do you think abortion should be illegal? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:05:23 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 09:42:54 2011. Oh stop it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:07:02 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 09:50:13 2011. You have a fuckin problem. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:12:03 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 09:52:19 2011. For the FINAL time, and I am done with this SHIT, MY VIEW is one view. It is not the ONLY view, nor is it necessarily the correct view. But it's MY view, and I feel that it is a human being being destroyed with an abortion. But I respect the fact that my view IS not the only view, nor is it any more correct than someone else's view. I have NO RIGHT to inflict MY VIEW on others, and certainly not on their bodies. I am NOT changing my view on what I believe a fetus is, nor do I try and change someone else's view, which is no more correct or wrong than mine.I am not arguing in circles with you, so this is all I am going to say on it, I already made my point several times, as have you. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:14:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 25 21:17:52 2011. Aside from the trichinosis maybe.Mad cow disease and e. coli are just as dangerous. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:16:34 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 08:48:12 2011. Coming into the wrong subthread, one might think dim sum were the #1 killer of Blacks in NYC. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 11:19:28 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:16:34 2011. And they say LuchAAA is most guilty of thread drift on Chat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:25:14 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 10:00:12 2011. "Left alone" implies being left in the womb. The artificial not being left alone would mean removal. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:25:31 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 27 11:19:28 2011. And they say LuchAAA is most guilty of thread drift on Chat.What's up? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:36:02 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:25:31 2011. You mean WaSSUP!! |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 11:47:08 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:03:25 2011. If ever presented with a choice I would vote my conscience. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 11:51:06 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 26 09:03:33 2011. Exactly! |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 11:53:07 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 09:54:54 2011. I don't even know how alarming that is either. Other than to make the case that birth control should be more readily available. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 11:57:12 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Feb 26 09:03:33 2011. No reasonable person blames children for being poor. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 11:58:23 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Feb 26 16:16:30 2011. All those things are, however, more statistically prevalent in the black community. It's people's lack of understanding of averages and statistics that causes the problem. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:02:59 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 11:53:07 2011. If it's not alarming why would there be a need for more birth control? And is there some issue where birth control is being made available only to non-blacks?There are several issues, but the availability of birth control is not one of them. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 12:10:58 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Train Dude on Sat Feb 26 18:21:05 2011. A couple of insights here: obviously, the things that makes us human and separates us from all other forms of life are our ability to think, feel, reflect, and reason.But it's not like we can have a brain meter to monitor awareness or cognition, however rudimentary, so we have to choose a cut-off point, one necessarily arbitrary, even if guided by fact -- no different than setting the driving age to 16 or the voting age to 18 -- even though surely some individuals on either side of the cut-off should not be where they are. This is what we have done with abortion, and additional legal considerations, such as viability, etc... come into play. But any definition of life (sentient life) is going to be fuzzy, and we need to understand the limitations due to this. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 12:12:07 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 25 21:17:52 2011. When's the last time you heard of anyone stricken with trichinosis?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:19:39 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 12:12:07 2011. According to the CDC there are only about 12 cases per year in the United States. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 12:21:59 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 11:47:08 2011. that doesnt answer the question. do you think you or the govt have the right to imposetheir beliefs on other people's bodies? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 12:24:07 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 11:53:07 2011. it is readily available. cant make them use it |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:24:33 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 12:21:59 2011. Yes. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 12:44:40 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 20:26:19 2011. Actually, there is a correlate: IQ. If you look at the average behavioral and physiological factors along the black -> white -> E. Asian continuum, you will find the averages of these factors increasing: IQ, age of first menstruation, while you will find these averages decreasing: physical size, muscularity, propensity towards violence, female breast and hip size (as discussed), penis size. Within any one race you will find a similar pattern as you move from low IQ -> high IQ. This is consistent with a spectrum that goes with different reproductive strategies, namely with is known as "r"-selection and "K"-selection.In the animal kingdom, different species use different strategies to reproduce: Shorter-lived and fast reproducing, like opossums, and longer-lived slow reproducing, like whales. r-selection depends on the reproductive rate (the "r" term in the differential equation that relates to reproduction), where as K-selection depends on the environment's carrying capacity (the "K" term in the equation). K-selected species live longer, invest more in offspring, and have fewer of them. It is basically the balancing act between quantity vs quality. Humans are firmly in the K-selected side of the spectrum, but apparently different genetic groups rely on K-selection more than others. Higher IQ groups, apparently having the benefit of the stability of civilization (relatively speaking), have relied more heavily on K-selection -- fewer children -- more heavy investment in each -- and delaying having them -- to take maximum advantage of the fruits of the environment. Lower IQ groups, not necessarily having a dependable environment, lean more the the r-side -- more children -- less investment in each -- having them sooner -- as a defense against chaos and upheaval, in the hope that in any event at least some will survive. In humans, this can be seen to this day -- lower IQ groups live in impoverished, far less dependable, and often dangerous environments where a K-strategy would be less rewarding over the long term. Basically, having a "means test" to as a requirement to have children (which is impossible in a free society) would be detrimental to blacks and all the lower-IQ segments of the population. Attempting to engineer a change to what is natural order of things might is bound to be foolhardy. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:48:33 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 12:44:40 2011. I stopped reading after your first sentence. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 27 13:05:10 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 11:57:12 2011. republicans do all the time |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 13:23:58 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 27 13:05:10 2011. No they don't. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:34:41 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Sun Feb 27 11:16:34 2011. That would be hilarious if it were the case. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:37:48 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Feb 27 09:57:57 2011. If I impregnated someone right now, I would not want her to get an abortion, as I would consider it the murder of my unborn child. However, I believe that this is a religious issue and, while I'm not particularly religious, my personal belief is that life begins at the moment of conception.I, however, don't want to impose my personal beliefs on others, therefore I am pro-choice. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 13:41:40 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:37:48 2011. my sentiments exactly, almost word for word |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:42:38 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Feb 27 11:00:45 2011. Thank you.You and I have the EXACT same view on abortion. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:43:52 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Feb 27 13:41:40 2011. I know. I didn't realize it until after reading a few other postings.It looks like you've been getting clobbered for your viewpoint. But, I want to let you know, that there is someone else who agrees with it. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:46:04 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sat Feb 26 09:44:41 2011. No. But we don't change that by cutting funding for community colleges, eliminating peel grants, cutting K-12 school funding, cutting funding for planned parenthood, cutting funding for WIC, cutting Medicaid, and giving tax cuts to corporations (which is the teabaggers's plan). |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 27 14:02:36 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sat Feb 26 18:32:31 2011. Smart people don't smoke. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:04:17 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 13:37:48 2011. I don't understand why you consider it a religious issue if you are not religious. Are you hiding behind religion to deflect criticism of an unpopular position? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:07:54 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 27 14:02:36 2011. Most people don't smoke. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:09:07 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:04:17 2011. I'm not hiding behind anything. My personal belief is that life begins at the moment of conception. Therefore, I consider abortion to be the killing of babies. However, I don't feel the need to project MY belief as to when life begins upon other people who have differing beliefs, therefore I am pro-choice. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 14:09:21 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:02:59 2011. Preventing a pregnancy is logistically simpler and more convenient than aborting one. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 14:10:23 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 12:48:33 2011. Too bad. Your loss. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:10:42 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:09:07 2011. Yeah, I don't get that at all. So if someone wanted to legalize late term abortions would you be for that as well so as not to impose your beliefs on them? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Feb 27 14:11:43 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 27 08:35:52 2011. I smoked a bit in my late teens (both my parents smoked, my father more than my mother) both said "If you are going to smoke, do it in front of us." When my father dropped dead of a double coronary attack at 62 years of age, (two weeks before my 21st birthday) I gave up smoking totally (three weeks after the funeral I got my mother to stop.As to alcohol, I take a drink every couple of years, usually in a restaurant. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 14:13:53 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:09:07 2011. I can't wrap my mind around the concept of thinking something is murder but allowing it because I don't want to impart my view on someone. I don't think abortion is murder but don't impart my view on someone else. That to me is logical.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:14:38 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:10:42 2011. No. I am very, very much against late term abortions. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:16:40 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 14:09:21 2011. You can't say that there isn't a problem and then simultaneously offer solutions. Will you at least admit that there is a problem and the statistics are troubling? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:06 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Fred G on Sun Feb 27 14:13:53 2011. There is no ambiguity with murder (once the baby has been born). The ambiguity is when life begins. I believe that it begins the moment of conception, and I do believe abortion, therefore, to be a type of murder. However, other people have differing viewpoints as to when human life begins and, therefore, I don't wish to superimpose by beliefs on others. |
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Posted by JayMan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:39 2011, in response to Re: Not a killer of blacks in NYC, posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:16:40 2011. No and no. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Feb 27 14:18:08 2011, in response to Re: No.1 killer of blacks in NYC, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Sun Feb 27 14:17:06 2011. But you would superimpose your beliefs on late term abortions? If both are murder, why one and not the other? |
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