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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 20:07:10 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 18:33:23 2010. They don't. They don't want the regular police, the sheriff or Immigration doing anything!I know, I'm half Mexican! And you are a Samoan, which explains a whole lot about you! Lazy, shiftless, football playing ass! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 20:10:09 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 20:07:10 2010. Is he Afa or Sika? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 20:25:15 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 20:10:09 2010. Afasika! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 20:50:12 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 20:07:10 2010. you dont know shit about where i came from fuck you |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 20:52:53 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 19:13:48 2010. Probably yet another partisan Democrat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 20:54:28 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Apr 27 16:38:47 2010. ???????????????????/////// |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 20:58:25 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 12:37:43 2010. Yeah, now the left has to pull so far at straws that they have to try and use a fictional Hollywood movie as some sort of fact to prove a point, they are getting more hilarious by the minute! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:01:45 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 16:02:41 2010. They are rushing to hysterics because they WANT to be outraged. |
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Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:02:41 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 10:33:33 2010. And it won't in Arizona either, unless you are doing something that6 warrants suspicion. |
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Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:04:06 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 27 12:11:45 2010. The Democrats would rather defend and rationalize for the criminal ILLEGAL aliens than for law abiding citizens of the United States (and legal residents) living in Arizona that are fed up with the federal government doing absolutely nothing about the situation. |
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Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:05:47 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Apr 26 23:45:11 2010. Yes. Just like most of the tea partiers are peaceful |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 27 21:09:36 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 10:33:11 2010. If you can't ask people to show their immigration documents then you can't control the border.What if the person says they have no identification on them? Can they be arrested? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 21:10:23 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 20:50:12 2010. Yeah, you got that straight hair without no conk homeboy! |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 27 21:17:23 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 13:27:53 2010. Looks like:http://www.immspec.com/green-card.htm I still don't quite understand what INS is allowed to do if you say, no I don't have a green card, my name is Jose Gonzales, I was born in LA, and so I'm a citizen. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 21:19:10 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 27 21:17:23 2010. Would this conversation be in English or Spanish? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 21:31:55 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Apr 27 21:10:23 2010. FUCK YOU |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:39:04 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:01:45 2010. I haven't been listening to the radio or watching the news much the last few days and can't believe what I've been hearing today. The accepted discussion is even worse than subchat. People are outraged without any idea of what they are outraged about. All kinds of rumors regarding this law (see any post by bingbong on this issue) are accepted as fact. No one in the media or any of their guests seem to have read the law and are instead starting with the premise that white people in Arizona are racist and implementation of this law will be handled in a racist manner. How can you even debate people that make it up as they go along and have no interest in the truth? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 21:41:18 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 20:52:53 2010. Yeah, that's the ticket ... now that you've got that solved, come on up to Smallbany so we can get a budget. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 21:45:05 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:39:04 2010. Congrats! I think you're understanding the whole teabagging thing now. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:50:34 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 21:45:05 2010. lol. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:55:29 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:39:04 2010. I totally agree. It's crazy the wild ideas that are being put forth here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:56:07 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 21:41:18 2010. Both parties are a travesty in Albany. |
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Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:00:04 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:02:41 2010. Doubtful, since every police department is going to stop and question anyone they could imagine is suspicious or unknown to them. Since this law allows individuals to sue their local police departments if they perceive lack enforcement, so it will be over-enforced in order to avoid the possibility of expensive litigation. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:01:06 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:55:29 2010. It appears that whatever the facts are, that emotions have taken over. I imagine that based on the emotional responses that Arizona will have to back down. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:01:55 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 21:39:04 2010. the white people in Arizona are racist and implementation of this law will be handled in a racist manner.------ i beleive this is exactly what is gonna happen easy |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:02:48 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:01:55 2010. Because you believe that white people are inherently racist? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:03:18 2010, in response to "Your papers, please!" is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Apr 27 10:08:51 2010. the implementation of this law will be handled in a racist manner. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:04:11 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:02:48 2010. the ones in arizona who support this yes |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:06:28 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:00:04 2010. The law says that police are required to make a reasonable effort to determine the status of people that they reasonably believe to be there illegally. Does what you posted sound "reasonable" to you? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:08:20 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:04:11 2010. "Inherently" means that they didn't have a choice in their racist beliefs and that they were born that way. Is that what you meant? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:10:02 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:08:20 2010. well what they are now and a new law to back them up is what i am saying |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:11:47 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 27 22:10:02 2010. Ok. |
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Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 22:14:58 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:00:04 2010. People are outraged without any idea of what they are outraged about. All kinds of rumors regarding this law (see any post by bingbong on this issue) are accepted as fact. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:15:27 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:06:28 2010. The reality is that there will remain a palpable fear of litigation on the part of police departments. Many have already expressed this reservation in interviews about this law, as well as their fear of suits over profiling. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:24:46 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 12:48:16 2010. This is simply inaccurate. I don't think that this law will have nearly the effect that everyone is making it out to be. I was overly dramatic yesterday for comedic effect.Do I like the law? No. Is it this end of the world, Nazi, evil law? No. |
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Re: Violent Arizona Protests |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 22:25:15 2010, in response to Violent Arizona Protests, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 26 20:44:21 2010. Mexico issues travel alert in response to this.Story Here |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:26:52 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Apr 27 16:42:17 2010. No it's not. Spare me the theatrics. This law will not have all of the unintended consequences that people here are making it out to have.Is it a good law? No. Is it a NAZI, totalitarian, evil law? No. Will it never be enforced to its full extent? Yes. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Apr 27 22:27:40 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Apr 27 16:34:33 2010. You really have a problem staying focused, don't you? A sign of limited thought processes. But,okay, were the incidents of alleged racial profiling in New Jersey sanctioned by law or just an act of some rogue officers? |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:28:12 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 10:49:18 2010. I agree with your argument. It's a bad law. It's possibly unconstitutional. It'll never be enforced the way its creators intended. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:30:14 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 15:02:42 2010. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I don't like the law but it's toothless and really was more of a "statement" than something that'll ever really be able to be put in practice.It's an election year, and the Republicans wanted to fire up their base in Arizona as the Democratic candidate was leading the governor's race. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:30:39 2010, in response to Re: ''Your papers, please!'' is the talk of totalitarianism., posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 27 22:15:27 2010. I'm guessing that the massive emotional response to this law will mean that it will be repealed shortly, but assuming that it were not police departments would have to enforce the law and not profile. It seems like a fairly easy thing to do. It's something that many police departments (mostly in cooperation with ICE) are already doing. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 22:30:43 2010, in response to Re: Opening the borders is not the solution, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 27 21:56:07 2010. Well ... other than Skelos, it's entirely democraps riding the bologna pogna up here. Dunno what Skelos' brain damage is, throwing in with the three mouseketeers like that, but there he be's just the same ... |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:33:25 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:30:14 2010. Based on the response that I saw today Arizona will have to repeal it. I think that Obama will do all that he can to put pressure on the state. |
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Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Apr 27 22:34:31 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:33:25 2010. I also think that the Democrats will give Democratic candidates A LOT of funding in time for the November elections. Especially if JD Hayworth wins the Republican primary. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 22:36:19 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:33:25 2010. Hopefully the Republicans won't give in. They have to stand their ground and show that they are not going to surrender America. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 22:41:11 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:33:25 2010. I have a feeling Obama can walk away from this one - it's its own "teaching moment." :) |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:43:22 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 22:41:11 2010. I heard on the radio that the DOJ has a team of people reviewing the law and "have not ruled out any option, including a lawsuit". Maybe it wasn't "lawsuit" but they basically said that they might challenge the law in court. Maybe that was the AG talking...I don't remember. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:48:17 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 22:36:19 2010. They have to give in. America hasn't been "surrendered" but it's coming. If it's "racist" to deport people here illegally it's not long before it's "racist" to ask for ID at the border. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 22:48:49 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 27 22:43:22 2010. Actually, on a Constitutional basis, the feds would have to challenge the law unless someone else with standing challenges it first. The concept of any state attempting to challenge federal jurisdiction has to be addressed, or the feds would be derelict in their duty. Think of it in terms of an unchallenged "easement." If you don't enforce, then others can try it too. The legal basis for the civil war was similar.So I can see that some droid had to do some paperwork just in case, whether or not they have to pursue it. Only question would be who files first in federal court ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 27 22:50:40 2010, in response to Re: Violent (leftist) Arizona Protests, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 27 22:36:19 2010. Surrendering "America?" Heh. All they're surrendering is their sanity out there. Oh wait ... we're talking about republicans. Nevermind. :) |
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