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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:43:38 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:27:30 2009.

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Hehe, not you, silly.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by JohnL on Tue Dec 29 00:44:12 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:42:41 2009.

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Happy 2010 to you too!

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Re: osmosis is not an a-hole

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 29 00:47:17 2009, in response to Re: osmosis is not an a-hole, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:28:27 2009.

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Thanks buddy.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:55:15 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:43:38 2009.

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Me is all you're getting, and OJ. JL is an anomaly . . .

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:56:43 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:19:11 2009.

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No, he aspires to be one

I could never outdo yerself . . . (but don't worry; you're still well outpaced by others in that department)

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:56:56 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:55:15 2009.

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C'mon, 2009 is winding down, you only have less than a couple days for "I know you are but what am I". :P

your pal,
Fred

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Re: osmosis is not an a-hole

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:57:27 2009, in response to Re: osmosis is not an a-hole, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:41:51 2009.

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Yes, you'll get lucky and get something right again.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:57:48 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:56:43 2009.

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I'm not an asshole, Olog but thanks for thinking of me :D

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Fred

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Re: osmosis is not an a-hole

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:58:53 2009, in response to Re: osmosis is not an a-hole, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:57:27 2009.

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Yes Olog, unlike you, I get lucky. And I get something right.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 29 01:02:37 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Dec 28 23:59:43 2009.

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please email me

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 29 01:10:36 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 29 01:02:37 2009.

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I forgot your e-mail man sorry, can you e-mail this G-Mail account?

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:18:59 2009, in response to 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 28 21:50:47 2009.

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Spider-Pig is on for his stance on free lunch at public schools

Free lunch makes me a liberal, but free books, free teaching and free cheese buses = conservative. Right.

and his support for Obamacare.

Guilty.

Spider-Pig also exposed himself as a liberal for posting an article about some housing controversy in Westchester.

How did I expose myself as a liberal if I took the conservative side in that thread?

You only selectively look at those posts that support your preconceived notions and ignore anything else. You don't bother to pay attention to all of those posts where I'm against hate crime laws, oppose the minimum wage and oppose subsidies to transportation. Those last two are the domain of ultraconservatives.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:23:44 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 28 22:01:29 2009.

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Where do you get this bullshit from? I only want upscale areas to be protected because it cheapens the achievement of people who live there by letting poor people live there simply because they won a lottery or have a certain heritage. A capitalist society rations scarcity with money. It's the same with middle class neighborhoods. A person shouldn't get an undeserved discount.

And from recent threads it seems that I have a higher opinion of Howard Beach than you. I've called Rockwood Park an upscale neighborhood. I like Howard Beach.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:24:48 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Dec 28 23:40:03 2009.

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I'm fine with black people moving to an upscale area if they pay for it same as anyone else. I'm also firmly opposed to rent control.

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Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:29:16 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by JohnL on Mon Dec 28 22:39:17 2009.

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Despite my complaints I'm honored to be on the list of liberals. Regardless of philosophy, I've always preferred the word liberal to conservative. The former is based on the same root as the word liberty and the latter is based on conserving the Ancien Régime.

There's a reason why I like to style myself a classical liberal (classical has a nice ring to it to).

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Dec 29 01:45:08 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:18:59 2009.

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Those last two are the domain of ultraconservatives.

Guaranteed minimum income isn't.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:47:19 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Dec 29 01:45:08 2009.

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Milton Friedman supported it.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 01:49:08 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:18:59 2009.

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You don't bother to pay attention to all of those posts where I'm against hate crime laws, oppose the minimum wage and oppose subsidies to transportation. Those last two are the domain of ultraconservatives

No; they're actually the domain of libertarians (except the first one, since that's an attack on the Fourteenth Amendment, and that doesn't have to be "ultraconservative" whatsoever).

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 01:51:10 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Thinkers and Reasonable People, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:29:16 2009.

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Regardless of philosophy, I've always preferred the word liberal to conservative

Since it's extrapolated from "libertine", then perhaps it's not that nice of a label?

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Re: osmosis is not an a-hole

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 01:52:45 2009, in response to Re: osmosis is not an a-hole, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 00:58:53 2009.

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Unlike me? I'm so saturated in "get(ting) lucky" I can't bear myself.

But again, congrats on getting something right. Maybe this is a streak for you . . .

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 29 02:07:09 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 28 23:27:12 2009.

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I am a moderately liberal Democrat.

LOL. That's classic.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 02:13:55 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 01:51:10 2009.

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Since it's extrapolated from "libertine"

False.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 02:24:30 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 28 23:27:12 2009.

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I am a moderately liberal Democrat

Maybe by Nilet's definition of right and left . . .

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 02:25:44 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 02:13:55 2009.

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No, SpiderInBayside, it's true. The sociopolitical use of the word "liberal" is undivorceable from "libertine".

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 02:32:45 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 02:25:44 2009.

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How about some proff for once?

The use of the word liberal in the English language long predates Libertine or is the OED too infidel for you?

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 29 03:03:34 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:18:59 2009.

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Sometimes, you are a conservative, but you're more liberal, and even said so later in this thread

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 03:24:41 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 02:32:45 2009.

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The use of the word liberal in the English language long predates Libertine

And back in the 1600s, "liberal" did not mean what it does now. A lot of modern-day libertine "liberals" are fond of quoting the King James translation of Isaiah 32:8: "But the liberal deviseth liberal things, and by liberal things shall he stand" . . . (translated from Hebrew "nadib", which means "magnanimous", hence "liberal" meant that back then and not libertine as it does today in sociopolitical context)

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 03:45:38 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 29 03:03:34 2009.

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How is saying that people should cover their accent liberal or conservative?

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 03:48:10 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 03:24:41 2009.

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Liberal originates from its meaning as pertaining to free men, as in the liberal arts. That is the oldest reference to liberal in the OED, dating back to the 13th century, and long predating all references to libertine.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by docstox on Tue Dec 29 05:40:34 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:24:48 2009.

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I agree 100% with you.

In my girlfriend's townhouse community, with properties in the 500,000 to 700,00 range, three African American families own homes.The most spectatcular property is owned by a black gentleman.All educated and classy people who add to the community.I had an African American neighbor for years, a female executive at IBM whose income was much more than myself.

Rent control ruined many sections of the city.It's socialism in action.

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Re: osmosis is not an a-hole

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 06:41:31 2009, in response to Re: osmosis is not an a-hole, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 01:52:45 2009.

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haha, if you say so. enjoy your lucky streak.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 29 06:46:13 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs (The non-assholes), posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Dec 29 01:10:36 2009.

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Thanks.

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Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:05:47 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 28 23:47:28 2009.

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Gesundheit.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:09:30 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 29 02:07:09 2009.

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Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too....almost as funny as Nilet saying he was a moderate Democrat, and that Obama was a right of center president.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:10:13 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 02:24:30 2009.

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Hahahahahahaha! That's the post I was thinking of!

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:10:39 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 28 23:28:21 2009.

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Why would people you disagree with be "enemies". This is a war?

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:11:47 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by docstox on Tue Dec 29 05:40:34 2009.

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I totally agree about rent control. it has done more damage than good to the city.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:16:36 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Dec 29 03:03:34 2009.

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He is a moderate. He has some liberal ideas on some things, but on others he is more right. There are a lot of people here that share ideas on both sides of the aisle.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:35:53 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:10:39 2009.

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Why would you make a list of people in your forum?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 07:39:19 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:16:36 2009.

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Yup. Like I'm the sort of liberal who advocates the most conservative policy of all: repeal of the 16th Amendment. But I also see it as highly amusing that regarding the so-called "Progressive Era" as a disaster is these days seen as conservative, given that that was a high-point in GOP support.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:40:08 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by italianstallion on Mon Dec 28 23:28:21 2009.

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I wouldn't say that but considering you could be on this list:

Olog Hai
Orange Blossom Special
LuchAAA
GP38/R42 Chris
Train Dude
Chris R16/R2730

I'd say we made out ok :P

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 29 07:43:12 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:10:39 2009.

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That's the liberal mindset. They have only people who agree and enemies.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 07:43:17 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 01:24:48 2009.

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Rent control was an inevitable evil after the Supreme Court got Euclid v Ambler so spectacularly wrong.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:44:03 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:40:08 2009.

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I don't know how I made it to "the list", supporting abortion, supporting things like environmental controls, density/zoning laws on land, hating anything to do with religious extremists, supporting gay rights, and the list goes on....

I guess it falls into the "if you don't agree with many things the left professes, you must be a 'right wing nut'".... :)

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:45:07 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:44:03 2009.

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I guess that's what it took to show you how silly those lists are :P

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:46:19 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:45:07 2009.

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You did see my smiley face, no??? :)

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Fred G on Tue Dec 29 07:47:38 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:46:19 2009.

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Of course I did and you saw my emoticon as well :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 07:48:06 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 29 07:09:30 2009.

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almost as funny as Nilet saying he was a moderate Democrat, and that Obama was a right of center president.

There is a case to be made for that position, but he didn't make it.

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Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 07:50:01 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Useful Idiots?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 00:10:46 2009.

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He doesn't have to.

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Re: 2009 List Of Libs

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Dec 29 07:54:43 2009, in response to Re: 2009 List Of Libs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 29 03:24:41 2009.

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Libera me, Domine!

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